Zone1 Why do members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Baptize for the Dead?

[onefour1]

Oh, only by the one who has the authority to baptize? Yes, that makes good sense.

I attended several of those “baptisms of the dead” many years ago and that was a big problem because many of the deceased didn't agree to being baptised, especially the devout Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists. However, the Mormon Church found a solution by bringing along a sledge hammer to all baptism ceremonies to make certain the deceased is really & truly dead. That put an end to any further disagreements. Naturally, only "the one with the authority" is allowed to administer the hammer.

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Meriweather

They don't have to agree to the proxy baptism because they can accept or reject it in the world of spirits. The baptism then becomes of no effect and of no force. It isn't forced upon them. If they don't accept in the world of spirits, then it doesn't force them into the kingdom of God.

 

[ReinyDays]

So, imagine you go to the other side of the veil of life to the spirit world. And, what you expected is not what you expected. There is no purgatory like you were taught by the Catholics. Instead, you realize Jesus established a missionary army to teach and preach to the spirts of the dead the Gospel from The Book of Mormon. But you still have to decide based on faith of Christ and the Doctrine presented that you objected to in earthly life. And, being a faithful person in life you accept it then. But, we can’t do your work because you let emotional and you bias override logic, reasoning blocking out the influence of the Holy Ghost. You will have to wait for the Millennium when Christ is King of the Earth and run by His laws and doctrine. If that’s okay for you, it’s not for all those who now want their work done for them. Who are you to deny anyone their eternal right to baptism? And baptism with proper authority? Who are you to take away billions of people’s rights to be baptized through proxy work of faithful LDS people? Stop being a hypocrite driven by fear, anger, hatred and lack of knowledge blinded by the craftiness of men and women.

Just curious ... did baptizing the Dead do any good? ... or are they still "Friends of the Devil" ... hehe ..

 

[GLASNOST]

Only the one who has the authority to baptize. That makes good sense.

I attended several of those “baptisms of the dead” many years ago and that was a big problem because many of the deceased didn't agree to being baptised, especially the devout Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists. However, the Mormon Church found a solution by bringing along a sledge hammer to all baptism ceremonies to make certain the deceased is really & truly dead. That put an end to any further disagreements. Naturally, only "the one with the authority" is allowed to administer the hammer.

They don't have to agree to the proxy baptism because they can accept or reject it in the world of spirits. The baptism then becomes of no effect and of no force. It isn't forced upon them. If they don't accept in the world of spirits, then it doesn't force them into the kingdom of God.

That's not true. When the deceased expresses rejection of baptism in the world of spirits then the one with the authority beats the deceased into submission. I've seen it with my own eyes several times. Each person with authority can choose his own method but the one I saw always used a hammer.

 

[GLASNOST]

Just curious ... did baptizing the Dead do any good? ... or are they still "Friends of the Devil" ... hehe ..

When I read this I laughed at first but it's a very good question. I guess the most important point to be understood is if the Mormon Church really is a Satanic Cult. We know it's a Cult but we are not sure if it actually follows Satan's doctrine or if the Mormon Church is unintentionally conducting itself in Satanic manners because it lost its way after it blasphemed God and turned its back on the Covenant. Which do you think it is?

 

[ReinyDays]

When I read this I laughed at first but it's a very good question. I guess the most important point to be understood is if the Mormon Church really is a Satanic Cult. We know it's a Cult but we are not sure if it actually follows Satan's doctrine or if the Mormon Church is unintentionally conducting itself in Satanic manners because it lost its way after it blasphemed God and turned its back on the Covenant. Which do you think it is?

My God is more forgiving than you ... Christians aren't supposed to turn their backs on the old Covenant, but we're commanded to follow the new Covenant ... the one that places mercy above the Letter of the Law ... but Christians are weak so some do ...

If you remember St. Paul the Apostle's allegory: "And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you." -- 1 Cor 12:27 ... it's not for us to judge harshly those who worship Our Lord ... as each of us have our part in the greater whole ...

So ... does baptizing the Dead help? ... Jerry's been gone awhile and we just lost Phil and Bobby ... that just leaves Bill the Drummer ...

I follow the Anabaptist tradition ... so baptizing the Dead is about as useless as baptizing children ... the Darker the Star ... well, you know the rest ...

 

[Cougarbear]

You are so dumbed-down by the Satanic Cult Mormon Church that you don't know it is fictional and that your belief that God lives in those parts is pure fantasy. I don't even think you've reached puberty. But some day - some day. Maybe when your Kolob God meets Xenu they can tap dance their way down the Milky Way and you can invite them to lunch for a Happy Meal.

The word for Dog Star (Sirius) in Hebrew is KLB. Jews put in vowels and pronunciation is Kelov. But it most likely is Kolob. The Book of Abraham tells us what that star represents. The ancient Egyptians said the same about Sirius. Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

Do you know why I have won this debate round? It’s because I keep my cool and speak with facts found in science and history. You muddle in emotions and it shows badly for you.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... Mormon Church ... is a Cult but we are not sure if it ... is unintentionally conducting itself in Satanic manners because it lost its way after it blasphemed God and turned its back on the Covenant.

My God is more forgiving than you ...

That's ridiculous, untrue, and a lie.

Christians aren't supposed to turn their backs on the old Covenant,

But the Mormon Church has done just that.

... we're commanded to follow the new Covenant ...

There is no "new" covenant.

 

[Cougarbear]

If you think the opinion of anyone on this forum prevents you from having your baptism then your faith is really, REALLY low!

That isn’t it at all. Comprehension in reading again. My faith is strong and I’m sharing this with others. I know when I’m winning at this because of the insanity emotional responses of you and Meriweather. Anger and deranged responses is Satan being beaten.

 

[GLASNOST]

The word for Dog Star (Sirius) in Hebrew is KLB.

The words for the fantasy planet is Tralfamadore, Teegeeack, Ecumenopolis, Krypton, Mystara, Endor, and Kolob.

Do you know why I have won this debate round?

Do tell.

It’s because I speak with facts found in science and history.

Kolob is neither factual, scientific, nor historical. If this is a debate you lost it from start to finish.

 

[Cougarbear]

This is why it is impossible to have a discussion with the LDS on this matter. It always turns into LDS turning to throwing insults. I feel sorry that insults is all LDS has. The reality I am dealing with is the physical/earthly part of what LDS is doing. Think about it. Why don't you find a list of the living, line up your proxies, and have your baptisms while they are still living? Isn't it because, deep down, you know that would not be proper. What is not proper in this life is not proper in the next. It is not proper for a proxy to speak, do something in another's name without knowing they have that person's authority to act in their name. Without that person's authority, any act/words are null and void before any words/actions take place. That is why I don't I don't believe your "work" is real.

The blasphemy is that you believe it is incumbent upon the LDS Church to preach its doctrines to the dead instead of stepping aside and humbly recall that it is Christ who goes to the dead with his Gospel.

Consider that perhaps the hypocrisy is that LDS does not trust Christ in the position LDS has, without authority, assumed to be their own. In doing so LDS places itself above Christ, against the free will of others not to have a proxy go through a ceremony in the names of another.

Here is another possibility: Why not, through prayer, call the dead to a baptismal ceremony, all nameless, where LDS faithful (again all nameless) attend and are ceremonially baptized on behalf of the dead who have gathered for this ceremony.

I'll await your next insults thinking of the irony that it is insults LDS stand behind when discussing this practice of theirs.

Let’s just start with the beginning. We actually do build lists to be baptized of people when they are living. 80,000 missionaries in most countries are going to the people and offering baptism. But, it’s impossible to reach even 1 or 2% of the people in America alone per decade. Life and confirmation bias (Normalcy bias) make it difficult for people like you to really hear and see the true Gospel message. I understand this as a convert from Judaism. I was just more open to the message and did my reading, studying, meditation, praying with REAL intent, without a double mind and with real faith in Jesus Christ and receiving the influence of the Holy Ghost.

It’s clear you have taken the words of members with bias towards your beliefs that doesn’t allow for you to use real intent, studying without bias, pray without bias and without a double mind. This is all over your words and thought. Telling Jesus Christ how to run his Church. Like how to teach and allow free moral agency to choose freely whether living or dead. I can tell you the Church uses technology the right way for doing things the right way.

So, if you elevate the messages and doctrine to where you are controlled by incoherent emotions, you may want to take a breath and try it out way. Because the emotions often bring forth the counterfeit to Jesus Christ.

 

[GLASNOST]

If you think the opinion of anyone on this forum prevents you from having your baptism then your faith is really, REALLY low!

.... My faith is strong and ... I know when I’m winning at this because of the insanity emotional responses of you and Meriweather. Anger and deranged responses is Satan being beaten.

You are really funny!

 

[Cougarbear]

You are really funny!

He who laughs first will laugh last and regret it. Learn and grow instead of being a slave to your normalcy bias.

 

[GLASNOST]

He who laughs first will laugh last and regret it. Learn and grow instead of being a slave to your normalcy bias.

Your faith is very weak. That's because the Mormon Cult relies on superstition and fictitious basis, just like Scientology.

 

[Cougarbear]

Your faith is very weak. That's because the Mormon Cult relies on superstition and fictitious basis, just like Scientology.

Scientology relies solely on self and not on God at all. You are so ignorant. Funny. My faith is very weak. You rely on a little boy’s vision hundreds of years ago who saw visions and called himself a prophet. Who is the cult?

 

[Meriweather]

Like I said

Heavy sigh. I know what LDS says. What they say does not fit what they do.

 

[Meriweather]

Let’s just start with the beginning. We actually do build lists to be baptized of people when they are living. 80,000 missionaries in most countries are going to the people and offering baptism. But, it’s impossible to reach even 1 or 2% of the people in America alone per decade. Life and confirmation bias (Normalcy bias) make it difficult for people like you to really hear and see the true Gospel message. I understand this as a convert from Judaism. I was just more open to the message and did my reading, studying, meditation, praying with REAL intent, without a double mind and with real faith in Jesus Christ and receiving the influence of the Holy Ghost.

It’s clear you have taken the words of members with bias towards your beliefs that doesn’t allow for you to use real intent, studying without bias, pray without bias and without a double mind. This is all over your words and thought. Telling Jesus Christ how to run his Church. Like how to teach and allow free moral agency to choose freely whether living or dead. I can tell you the Church uses technology the right way for doing things the right way.

So, if you elevate the messages and doctrine to where you are controlled by incoherent emotions, you may want to take a breath and try it out way. Because the emotions often bring forth the counterfeit to Jesus Christ.

You didn't hear a word I said.

 

[Cougarbear]

You didn't hear a word I said.

But I have. Screeching, jumping up and down like a 2 year old wanting a cookie, isn't going to help here on any topic. Let me attempt some basic logic and reasoning. Others on here have approved of what I've stated about this.

1. You don't believe baptism for the dead works. But, you object because you think it bothers them somehow. Illogical. So, why get all worked up about it?

Pretty simple, huh? Now, most of the names presented for temple work are from family members already and always have been. Yes, I'm sure there have been members submitting names of famous people who they are not related to. But, reality now days is there is probably someone in the Church who is related to those famous people who have had their work done for them. So, it would eventually happen anyways.

As for sending out requests for people to decide right now whether they want their work done for them or not is really pointless since family members can override that once they are deceased. And, since people change their minds all the time, what's the point? And, once they are dead and have the Gospel properly taught to them, they may decide to want to be baptized and welcome our works for them on their behalf. I have done many ordinances work for people who I'm not related do whose names were submitted by family members. And, while doing the work I've felt many times that those who are dead were accepting the work. So, I have the faith to do their work for them.

 

[GLASNOST]

Your faith is very weak. That's because the Mormon Cult relies on superstition and fictitious basis, just like Scientology.

Scientology relies solely on self and not on God at all.

Exactly!

You are so ignorant. Funny. My faith is very weak. You rely on a little boy’s vision hundreds of years ago who saw visions and called himself a prophet. Who is the cult?

 

[GLASNOST]

Your faith is very weak. That's because the Mormon Cult relies on superstition and fictitious basis, just like Scientology.

Scientology relies solely on self and not on God at all.

Exactly!

You are so ignorant.

I don't know anything about cooking and baking [yes, I am ignorant about that] but I do know a lot more than you about man's dilemma in trying to understand the meaning of life. The reason for this is that I am concerned with humanity while you are only interested in yourself and how not to be shunned from the environs of the Mormon Cult.

Funny. My faith is very weak.

Well, I'd probably find it funny but you are part of humanity so I won't laugh at your predicament within the Mormon Cult. I do laugh at your childish and superstitious fear of reality, though. It's as though you never developed beyond your kindergarten naiveté of a green cheese moon, hot water freezing faster, and more guns preventing shootings.

You rely on a little boy’s vision hundreds of years ago who saw visions and called himself a prophet. Who is the cult?

You don't consider Jesus Christ a prophet? The weakness of your faith is just beneath the surface so maybe you should delete that part of your reply quick-quick before it's too late.

 

[Cougarbear]

Exactly!

I don't know anything about cooking and baking [yes, I am ignorant about that] but I do know a lot more than you about man's dilemma in trying to understand the meaning of life. The reason for this is that I am concerned with humanity while you are only interested in yourself and how not to be shunned from the environs of the Mormon Cult.

Well, I'd probably find it funny but you are part of humanity so I won't laugh at your predicament within the Mormon Cult. I do laugh at your childish and superstitious fear of reality, though. It's as though you never developed beyond your kindergarten naiveté of a green cheese moon, hot water freezing faster, and more guns preventing shootings.

You don't consider Jesus Christ a prophet? The weakness of your faith is just beneath the surface so maybe you should delete that part of your reply quick-quick before it's too late.

Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He's not a prophet. Your faith is weak. You are in a cult that follows a nine year old boy who married children. Talk about weak.