Zone1 Why do members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Baptize for the Dead?

[GLASNOST]

We believe in accepting the laws of the nation we are in.

“Laws”? We are talking about murder, not shoplifting.

Your wild imagination is ripping you apart.

How is my recognition of the Mormon Church considering murder an “honourable” act a wild imagination? Furthermore, I have no idea what you mean by “ripping me apart”. Maybe you can better explain what you mean?

Yes, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are allowed to join the military, and military service is generally viewed as honorable within the church.

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So, you finally admit it. You admit that your God honours you for going to some other country and killing its inhabitants simply for being a different nationality than yours.
I HAVE MADE MY POINT

 

[ding]

“Laws”? We are talking about murder, not shoplifting.

How is my recognition of the Mormon Church considering murder an “honourable” act a wild imagination? Furthermore, I have no idea what you mean by “ripping me apart”. Maybe you can better explain what you mean?

So, you finally admit it. You admit that your God honours you for going to some other country and killing its inhabitants simply for being a different nationality than yours.
I HAVE MADE MY POINT

Your points are stupid. Get a life.

 

[Cougarbear]

“Laws”? We are talking about murder, not shoplifting.

How is my recognition of the Mormon Church considering murder an “honourable” act a wild imagination? Furthermore, I have no idea what you mean by “ripping me apart”. Maybe you can better explain what you mean?

So, you finally admit it. You admit that your God honours you for going to some other country and killing its inhabitants simply for being a different nationality than yours.
I HAVE MADE MY POINT

You are an idiot...You have made no point but to come across as an idiot. You win the big idiot award. The Church doesn't send anyone to the military. So, the church is not to blame for anyone's death during war. Have I said you are an idiot?

 

[Meriweather]

As for your last paragraph

I maintain that your church should have a computer base where people, still living, do not want your proxy "baptism" after their death. Perhaps not in your church, but in mine and in Judaism, our faith is the most precious thing in this life. For you to spit on it (and us as individuals) after our death is abhorrent and disgusting.

 

[Robert W]

“Laws”? We are talking about murder, not shoplifting.

How is my recognition of the Mormon Church considering murder an “honourable” act a wild imagination? Furthermore, I have no idea what you mean by “ripping me apart”. Maybe you can better explain what you mean?

So, you finally admit it. You admit that your God honours you for going to some other country and killing its inhabitants simply for being a different nationality than yours.
I HAVE MADE MY POINT

Let's try to justify your insults. How many men did I "murder" when the Army drafted me? ZERO. Was I asking to be in the Army? I was drafted as you know. My LDS uncles never killed any person. My LDS cousins never murdered anybody. So why are you whining again?

 

[GLASNOST]

You are an idiot ...

You are a Cultist.

You have made no point ...

My point is that Mormonism is a Cult that glorifies murder and I have made that point VERY clearly.

The Church doesn't send anyone to the military.

In addition to being a Cultist you are also an ABSURDIST.

So, the church is not to blame for anyone's death during war.

The Mormon Church most certainly IS to blame for death during war by glorifying it. I have CLEARLY made that point already. Are you incapable of logic?
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH.

Let's try to justify your insults.

Good idea.

How many men did I "murder" when the Army drafted me?

Are you talking about induction day?

Was I asking to be in the Army?

Did you?

I was drafted

What is your point?

My LDS uncles never killed any person. My LDS cousins never murdered anybody.

Again, what is your point?

So why are you whining again?

You are the one who’s whining, not me. I am stating fact. My point is [and I’ll make it here again] is that Mormonism is a Cult and, as a believer in a Cult, that makes you a Cultist who thinks it’s OK by your own God’s will to murder people just because they have a different nationality than yours. So:

1). Is it whining to point out those truths?

… or ...

2). Is it whining to deny those truths?
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH.

 

[ding]

Let's try to justify your insults. How many men did I "murder" when the Army drafted me? ZERO. Was I asking to be in the Army? I was drafted as you know. My LDS uncles never killed any person. My LDS cousins never murdered anybody. So why are you whining again?

You are arguing with a subversive. He or she is a troll. There's no reasoning with this person because this person is all about getting certain reactions.

 

[ding]

We are talking about murder

I thought you were talking about war. .

 

[Robert W]

You are the one who’s whining, not me. I am stating fact. My point is [and I’ll make it here again] is that Mormonism is a Cult and, as a believer in a Cult, that makes you a Cultist who thinks it’s OK by your own God’s will to murder people just because they have a different nationality than yours. So:

1). Is it whining to point out those truths?

I see. you are blameless though you are a citizen of a country that has made war. I being a
Mormon am guilty thanks to the country, not the church. So your complaint is against countries that engage in war. It means you too.

 

[GLASNOST]

I see.

I'm sure you don't.

you are blameless

Personally? No. I am a war veteran.

you are a citizen of a country that has made war.

Wrong. Completely wrong.

I being a Mormon am guilty thanks to the country, not the church.

Your country is guilty of making/starting wars but as a Mormon you are guilty of glorifying and waging them .... murdering people who have done you no harm.

So your complaint is against countries that engage in war

This thread [particularly, this dialogue] is about Mormons and the Mormon Church that encourages its people to murder others who live in other countries. That is what YOUR GOD glorifies - the Mormon Church does.

So .........

your complaint is against countries that engage in war

That's a different subject so, you are wrong.
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH

 

[Cougarbear]

I maintain that your church should have a computer base where people, still living, do not want your proxy "baptism" after their death. Perhaps not in your church, but in mine and in Judaism, our faith is the most precious thing in this life. For you to spit on it (and us as individuals) after our death is abhorrent and disgusting.

Maintain all you want. Our faith in Christ is much stronger than yours. We follow the true Jesus Christ and his true gospel. What is disgusting is so-called Christians who hate so much. That is not faith in Christ. That is faith in Satan who wants to stop the process of salvation and exaltation for the living and the dead. And you are on that ship.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are a Cultist.

My point is that Mormonism is a Cult that glorifies murder and I have made that point VERY clearly.

In addition to being a Cultist you are also an ABSURDIST.

The Mormon Church most certainly IS to blame for death during war by glorifying it. I have CLEARLY made that point already. Are you incapable of logic?
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH.


Good idea.

Are you talking about induction day?

Did you?

What is your point?

Again, what is your point?

You are the one who’s whining, not me. I am stating fact. My point is [and I’ll make it here again] is that Mormonism is a Cult and, as a believer in a Cult, that makes you a Cultist who thinks it’s OK by your own God’s will to murder people just because they have a different nationality than yours. So:

1). Is it whining to point out those truths?

… or ...

2). Is it whining to deny those truths?
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH.

Show anywhere in our doctrine we glorify murder. Go ahead. Just one.

 

[GLASNOST]

Show anywhere in our doctrine we glorify murder. Go ahead. Just one.

Here below .....

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are allowed to join the military, and military service is generally viewed as honorable within the church.

"The Church provides resources and support for members who choose to serve in the military. This includes guidance on how to balance military obligations with religious practices, such as attending church services and adhering to the Word of Wisdom, which prohibits certain substances."

"Many Mormons have served in the military throughout history, participating in various conflicts. The Church has expressed support for those who serve honorably and acknowledges the sacrifices made by military members."
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,,,,, are you going to deny it
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH.

 

[GLASNOST]

Our faith in Christ is much stronger than yours.

Faith in a Satanic Cult that supports and glorifies murdering innocent men, women, and children simply for being from another country. You say your faith in it is stronger. Ain't that wonderful!

We follow the true Jesus Christ and his true gospel.

You don’t even know what Jesus Christ said. You rely on primitive morons [uneducated, if not actual morons] with limited wisdom. Their only attributes were an abundance of superstition and Cultist, blasphemous fantasies about God that mock the teachings of Judaism which is the basis upon which Christianity deformed. You have defiled humanity's Covenant with God and THAT is the gospel that you call “true”.
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH.

 

[Meriweather]

Maintain all you want. Our faith in Christ is much stronger than yours. We follow the true Jesus Christ and his true gospel. What is disgusting is so-called Christians who hate so much. That is not faith in Christ. That is faith in Satan who wants to stop the process of salvation and exaltation for the living and the dead. And you are on that ship.

I know those are LDS beliefs. I know better, but LDS believes LDS beliefs supersede the beliefs of others, and LDS disregards them. LDS belief maintains LDS members can trod roughshod over others, sneer at them, and have authority over them. LDS believes LDS reigns over all. LDS believes in LDS and that is all LDS believes in. LDS uses Christ's name, not Christ himself, to justify all they do, all the lies,the disrespect of others, the supposed superiority. I could not care less about any of this. I feel truly sorry you are ensnared in Joseph Smith's cons.

What I feel strongly about is that today everyone should be able to get their name on a list that is respected by LDS that they are never to be given a proxy baptism, that no one ever puts words into their mouths after they have passed away. This is because I feel strongly about freedom and free will, a God-given right. I realize LDS believes members are potential Gods who can disregard the gifts of any other God, but LDS is not my God. LDS is not Jesus Christ, the Word of God. What I want from LDS is for LDS to respect the choices and lives of others. Jesus did no less. We deserve no less.

And I don't want to hear for the nth time that souls can reject LDS proxy baptisms, that LDS is doing nothing wrong. Of course LDS is doing wrong, and know it. LDS is interfering with body, mind, and soul/spirit--i.e., the whole person.

My body rejects what LDS will be doing what after my death, my mind rejects what LDS is doing after my death, and so does my spirit/soul who is communicating with you now. Why is LDS turning a deaf ear? I know. LDS beliefs put their above all others, LDS belief is authority is over all. What it also says is that LDS does not consider this ordinance of theirs sacred either, merely a scam of their own need for world authority.

You believe the con. And those who clutch to the con cannot be reasoned with.

I am not asking much. I am asking LDS to make sure I am never given this unwanted, despised proxy "baptism". My body, mind, and soul/spirit want nothing to do with it. My belief is in one baptism (Ephesians 4:5).

Yes, I am emotional (what you call being an idiot) about this. I also know I shouldn't be and am not 99% of the time as I believe that a proxy "baptism" is impotent, a pretense. What bothers me that proxy "baptism" is a blasphemy, and blasphemy is my great objection. I do care about that.

 

[Robert W]

Here below .....

,,,,, are you going to deny it
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH.

You appear to think we threaten you. We have no military. You're threatening your own country it seems like.

 

[Robert W]

I'm sure you don't.

Personally? No. I am a war veteran.

Wrong. Completely wrong.

Your country is guilty of making/starting wars but as a Mormon you are guilty of glorifying and waging them .... murdering people who have done you no harm.

This thread [particularly, this dialogue] is about Mormons and the Mormon Church that encourages its people to murder others who live in other countries. That is what YOUR GOD glorifies - the Mormon Church does.

So .........

That's a different subject so, you are wrong.
YOU’VE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR CHURCH

I will review your past posts on issues. At the moment you are working very hard to be a complete jerk and due to nothing I did to you. You make stuff up about the LDS church.

 

[ding]

Personally? No. I am a war veteran.

I didn't realize the UK accepted women in their armed forces.

This thread [particularly, this dialogue] is about Mormons and the Mormon Church that encourages its people to murder others who live in other countries. That is what YOUR GOD glorifies - the Mormon Church does.

Actually, no. This thread isn't about that, dummy. This thread is about baptizing the dead. This dialogue is you hijacking this thread to attack a rival religion on an unrelated subject because you are a piece of shit and can only affirm your faith by attacking the faith of others. I don't agree with their practice but I disagreed the right way. If your beliefs were worth a shit, you wouldn't need to be doing this.

 

[GLASNOST]

You appear to think we threaten you.

What an absurd thing to say. I never said anything about a 'threat'. You just introduced the word now because you feel threatened by my superior logic and deep understanding. You feel threatened by the possibility that my insight will shake the foundation of your so-called "faith". I'm telling you right now that I don't care if you believe all of the codswallop the Mormons preach. No one knows the meaning of life so everyone needs to believe in something. Many (1) suck the superstitious teat of established religions but others (2) are content with the question of life's meaning being unanswerable and assume that the answers will come to us in a theoretical after life - or maybe not. You belong to the first group. Superstition and hokus-pokus keeps you from walking off of some tall building. Either way is OK. You just carry on, but if you try to saturate me with your BS, well ........ you're out of luck and I probably won't even allow you to sit at my feet.

I will review your past posts on issues.

Review all you like but I have no doubt you’ll just make more absurd conclusions as your one above about "threats".

At the moment you are working very hard to be a complete jerk and due to nothing I did to you.

There, you see. You have been acting like a neurotic woman ever since this dialogue began. You think my criticism of the Mormon Church is about you. With that statement from you, you have inadvertently revealed your weakness of faith. That's a good thing if you follow it up and eventually leave your Cult. But if you haven't got the balls or assistance then you'd better stay where you are. Let me make something very clear ..... I am not your saviour. There are other people who are qualified to do that and I think you already know it.

You make stuff up about the LDS church.

What do you mean “make stuff up”? You admitted I’ve been right all along. You are in a world of hurt due to YOUR CHURCH DUPING YOU into believing it is OK to murder people just because they are citizens of another country. Maybe you should review your own “past posts” because your memory seems to be selective. You’re in deep trouble, Bubba, and it comes from within you.

 

[Robert W]

What an absurd thing to say. I never said anything about a 'threat'. You just introduced the word now because you feel threatened by my superior logic and deep understanding. You feel threatened by the possibility that my insight will shake the foundation of your so-called "faith". I'm telling you right now that I don't care if you believe all of the codswallop the Mormons preach. No one knows the meaning of life so everyone needs to believe in something. Many (1) suck the superstitious teat of established religions but others (2) are content with the question of life's meaning being unanswerable and assume that the answers will come to us in a theoretical after life - or maybe not. You belong to the first group. Superstition and hokus-pokus keeps you from walking off of some tall building. Either way is OK. You just carry on, but if you try to saturate me with your BS, well ........ you're out of luck and I probably won't even allow you to sit at my feet.

Review all you like but I have no doubt you’ll just make more absurd conclusions as your one above about "threats".

There, you see. You have been acting like a neurotic woman ever since this dialogue began. You think my criticism of the Mormon Church is about you. With that statement from you, you have inadvertently revealed your weakness of faith. That's a good thing if you follow it up and eventually leave your Cult. But if you haven't got the balls or assistance then you'd better stay where you are. Let me make something very clear ..... I am not your saviour. There are other people who are qualified to do that and I think you already know it.

What do you mean “make stuff up”? You admitted I’ve been right all along. You are in a world of hurt due to YOUR CHURCH DUPING YOU into believing it is OK to murder people just because they are citizens of another country. Maybe you should review your own “past posts” because your memory seems to be selective. You’re in deep trouble, Bubba, and it comes from within you.

Why do you bore the forum, even on other threads with your word salads?