Zone1 Why do members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Baptize for the Dead?

I bet you can’t convert to Christianity without being threatened by insane Islamic terrorists.
I’ll let you know if I ever give it a try.


You won't. You live in fear once you are in their cult.
I appreciate your insight into the fear of the Mormon Cult. The treatment of shunning and cutting off ex-Mormon members from friends and family are WELL-DOCUMENTED. But projecting it upon other religions is a deflectional smoke-screen to divert attention away from murder-justifying and Satanical Mormon practices.
Islam is primitive ….
Islam believes Jesus was a prophet. Kudos to Islam! I think there is plenty of historical support to prove it is true. But moving your fingers over a crystal ball and chanting, “Oooooo! Oooooo! Hokus-pokus, dominokus!” in order to see Jesus defying the Covenant and Monotheism is, well Islamo-Judai phobic because both Islam and Judaism believe in ONE GOD not three. So, in Monolithic context it is actually Christianity that is most primitive. I am sure we agree on that. :highfive:
 
I appreciate your insight into the fear of the Mormon Cult. The treatment of shunning and cutting off ex-Mormon members from friends and family are WELL-DOCUMENTED. But projecting it upon other religions is a deflectional smoke-screen to divert attention away from murder-justifying and Satanical Mormon practices.

Islam believes Jesus was a prophet. Kudos to Islam! I think there is plenty of historical support to prove it is true. But moving your fingers over a crystal ball and chanting, “Oooooo! Oooooo! Hokus-pokus, dominokus!” in order to see Jesus defying the Covenant and Monotheism is, well Islamo-Judai phobic because both Islam and Judaism believe in ONE GOD not three. So, in Monolithic context it is actually Christianity that is most primitive. I am sure we agree on that. :highfive:
You have the wrong church. Jehovah Witnesses do that. We don’t. Excommunication to us is a way back to Heavenly Father when someone has committed a sin or some other reason that excommunication is necessary. We do not tell them they have to stay away and family is to shun them. As Jesus did with the prodigal son, we seek for repentance and restitution ready to welcome back the prodigal family member. Does your god teach you to spread falsehoods about others?
 
You have the wrong church.
No I don’t, I am talking about the Mormon Cult.
Excommunication to us is ...
Who is talking about excommunication?
Does your god teach you to spread falsehoods about others?
Apparently, your Mormon Cult teaches you to change the subject, create smoke screens, and lie about what others say. You just did it again now. Furthermore, your Mormon Cult believes in three Gods. That is an enormous blasphemy and a sin against the 1st. Commandment by claiming Jesus is God. That's REALLY bad! :mad:

*** So the Mormon Cult is baptising the dead for the sole purpose of making your Church members believe that conversion to the Mormon Cult is soaring to great numbers. I am willing to bet my next pension check that if Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, or Buddhist were to RE-baptise those dead afterwards that the Mormon Cult would decree them invalid. Do we have a bet?
 
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No I don’t, I am talking about the Mormon Cult.

Who is talking about excommunication?

Apparently, your Mormon Cult teaches you to change the subject, create smoke screens, and lie about what others say. You just did it again now. Furthermore, your Mormon Cult believes in three Gods. That is an enormous blasphemy and a sin against the 1st. Commandment by claiming Jesus is God. That's REALLY bad! :mad:

*** So the Mormon Cult is baptising the dead for the sole purpose of making your Church members believe that conversion to the Mormon Cult is soaring to great numbers. I am willing to bet my next pension check that if Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, or Buddhist were to RE-baptise those dead afterwards that the Mormon Cult would decree them invalid. Do we have a bet?
Say, tell us much more about your cult?
 
Apparently, your Mormon Cult believes in three Gods. That is an enormous blasphemy and a sin against the 1st. Commandment by claiming Jesus is God. That's REALLY bad! So the Mormon Cult is baptising the dead ... I am willing to bet ... that if Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, or Buddhist were to RE-baptise those dead afterwards that the Mormon Cult would decree them invalid. Do we have a bet?
Say, tell us much more about your cult?
Let me know what Cult you are talking about and I'll tell you as much as I know about it. :cool:
 
I've had to correct professional genealogists even with there 3 source efforts. In fact, I go in periodically to see who messed up the genealogy of certain lines. The tools you use are mostly those we built long ago. We do our due diligence. Funny! I checked a version of the Catholic Encyclopedia back in 1978 to see if it had anything about baptisms for the dead. That version, no longer can find (I wonder why :auiqs.jpg:) stated that they lost the method of doing baptisms for the dead and so they dropped it. False Church.

So, genius, how do you propose to get everyone in the world to answer a survey to see if they want to be baptized by proxy after they die? Snail mail? Email? What? Most people won't open their mail whether snail mail or email. Even if they do, they won't answer it for fear of ID theft fraud. There is no way to register people. Oh, we might get 0.000001% of the earth's population to answer. No, if you are so irritated over this, something you claim isn't real, then you try registering people for this. Just remember, family can override it. Free religious expression.
You are mistaken. The Catholic Church, even in its earliest history, did not baptize the dead. Possibly you misunderstood Catholic teaching about baptism bringing those who were dead in Christ bringing them to new life in Christ. That has been noted down through the ages.

Once again, you are not listening. Who said anything that about the LDS church sending out a survey or even advertising? When people contact the LDS church choosing not to have a proxy baptism after their death, have a list for that as well. No doubt any computer programmer could set up a website for this.
 
If she was a member with her work already done, she would not need proxy baptism. If she isn't a member, and no LDS member submitted the name, there is a time frame of like 70 years after death before it can be performed. When I was first doing endowment work in the 1970's where we would have a name and death date, the date was always in the 1800's or earlier. So, I don't know where you are getting your one year thing.
Catch up. My grandmother died after the 1970s, and she was proxy baptized a year after her death. She was not the exception.
 
The Catholic Church rejects the practice of baptizing the dead, holding that baptism is a sacrament exclusively for the living as a gateway to new life in Christ. Because the sacrament requires a conscious, living recipient to receive grace and initiate faith, performing it on a deceased person is considered ineffective.
Key Aspects of the Catholic Position
  • Sacrament for the Living: Baptism is considered the "bath of regeneration" and the beginning of a person's life in the Church. It washes away sin and initiates the person into the body of Christ, actions that cannot be applied to a corpse.
  • No Proxy Baptism: Unlike in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Catholic Church does not practice or endorse proxy or vicarious baptism for the deceased.
  • Finality of Death: The Church teaches that after death, a person's fate is sealed, and they enter judgement. There is no opportunity to change one's state of salvation through actions performed by the living.
  • Addressing 1 Corinthians 15:29: Regarding the biblical mention of being "baptized on behalf of the dead," Catholic interpretation does not view this as approval for the practice. Instead, it is understood as a reference to a custom mentioned by Paul to demonstrate the early Christians' belief in the resurrection of the body, rather than a command to perform it.
  • Baptism of Desire: For those who died without baptism, the Church holds onto the hope of God's mercy through "baptism of desire," where God unites to Himself those who would have sought baptism had they known it was necessary.
Instead of attempting to baptize the deceased, the Catholic Church focuses on praying for the dead, especially through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, entrusting them to the mercy of God.
 
Why Latter-day Saints Practice Baptism for the Dead
I understand why baptism for the dead can sound strange at first. It often does when it is reduced to a phrase instead of explained in the light of Jesus Christ.
At its heart, baptism for the dead exists because the Atonement of Jesus Christ is infinite. It reaches across time, geography, culture, and even death itself. If Christ truly overcame sin and death for all mankind, then His saving power cannot be limited only to those fortunate enough to be born in the right place, at the right time, with the right access to the gospel.
This doctrine teaches that God is both perfectly just and perfectly merciful. He does not hold anyone accountable for opportunities they never had. Instead, through Jesus Christ, He ensures that every one of His children has a real, informed, and voluntary opportunity to accept or reject the gospel. Nothing is forced. Nothing is imposed. Agency remains intact on both sides of the veil.
Baptism performed on behalf of the dead does not save anyone automatically. It does not compel belief or guarantee salvation. It simply makes the saving power of Christ’s Atonement available to those who never had the chance to receive it in mortality. Each soul remains free to choose.
The Apostle Paul acknowledged this reality when he wrote:
“Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?”
(1 Corinthians 15:29)
Paul did not explain the practice, correct it, or condemn it. He referenced it as something understood among early Christians, using it to testify of the resurrection and Christ’s victory over death.
At its core, this doctrine declares something profoundly hopeful. No one is forgotten. No one is disqualified by birth, history, ignorance, or circumstance. Through Jesus Christ, God’s love reaches every soul who has ever lived.
Modern apostles have taught that this work is central to God’s purposes in the last days.
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Russell M. Nelson
President Nelson has repeatedly taught that the gathering of Israel includes both the living and the dead, and that temple work is essential to that gathering:
“The gathering of Israel is the most important thing taking place on earth today. Nothing else compares in magnitude, nothing else compares in importance, nothing else compares in majesty.”
(“Hope of Israel,” Worldwide Youth Devotional, June 2018)
He also taught that this gathering includes God’s children on both sides of the veil and that the Lord is hastening this work in preparation for what lies ahead.
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Dallin H. Oaks
President Oaks has taught that God’s plan of salvation reflects perfect justice and mercy, and that ordinances are required, but mercy ensures access for all:
“Because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, the plan of salvation includes a way for all who have ever lived to receive the ordinances necessary for exaltation.”
(“The Great Plan of Happiness,” October 1993 General Conference)
He has emphasized that God does not condemn His children for circumstances beyond their control, and that vicarious ordinances are an expression of divine fairness and love.
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Jeffrey R. Holland
President Holland has borne witness that the Savior’s Atonement reaches every soul and every condition, including death itself:
“There is no pain, no anguish, no sorrow, no loneliness that Christ did not experience. There is no injustice He does not understand.”
(“None Were with Him,” April 2009 General Conference)
He has repeatedly testified that Christ descended below all things so that no one would be beyond His redeeming reach.
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This is why Latter-day Saints build temples.
This is why we search records.
This is why we perform sacred ordinances on behalf of others.
Not because we believe we are rescuing the dead by our own righteousness, but because we believe Jesus Christ is rescuing His children, and He invites us to participate in that work.
Between now and the end of this earth as it now is, this is the work God has given His people to do. To gather. To bind. To offer. To witness. To love.
For many of us, baptism for the dead is not strange at all. It is one of the clearest witnesses of the power, fairness, and mercy of the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
No one is forgotten.
No one is beyond His reach.
And no one is denied a choice.

Your thoughts are welcomed!
They were supposed to have stopped this practice
 
Under your assumption
Nothing like putting an 'assumption' into my mouth and then say that assumption you came up with is wrong. Does LDS have a class training LDS members how to do this should anyone challenge or object to one of their practices? You are not listening. Stop trying to put an argument I am not making into my mouth. If you cannot address exactly what I say, remain silent.
 
Nothing like putting an 'assumption' into my mouth and then say that assumption you came up with is wrong.
Frustrating.
Does LDS have a class training LDS members how to do this
I read somewhere that they do and then 'swear' (figuratively speaking of course) that you really did say it. I do not understand how they can lie and believe that Jesus will forgive them. I guess it's some clause in God's 9th. Commandment. Maybe something like, "You are only allowed to lie to non LDS members". Is it possible they can do that? :dunno:
 

Excommunication to us is .....
Who is talking about excommunication? I didn't even mention it. As someone else recently said ..... ⬇️

Nothing like putting an 'assumption' into my mouth and then say that assumption you came up with is wrong. Does LDS have a class training LDS members how to do this should anyone challenge or object to one of their practices?
 
No I don’t, I am talking about the Mormon Cult.

Who is talking about excommunication?

Apparently, your Mormon Cult teaches you to change the subject, create smoke screens, and lie about what others say. You just did it again now. Furthermore, your Mormon Cult believes in three Gods. That is an enormous blasphemy and a sin against the 1st. Commandment by claiming Jesus is God. That's REALLY bad! :mad:

*** So the Mormon Cult is baptising the dead for the sole purpose of making your Church members believe that conversion to the Mormon Cult is soaring to great numbers. I am willing to bet my next pension check that if Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, or Buddhist were to RE-baptise those dead afterwards that the Mormon Cult would decree them invalid. Do we have a bet?
You can’t handle the truth. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only Church God has given his keys of the kingdom of God to in order to do the Lord’s work.
 
You are mistaken. The Catholic Church, even in its earliest history, did not baptize the dead. Possibly you misunderstood Catholic teaching about baptism bringing those who were dead in Christ bringing them to new life in Christ. That has been noted down through the ages.

Once again, you are not listening. Who said anything that about the LDS church sending out a survey or even advertising? When people contact the LDS church choosing not to have a proxy baptism after their death, have a list for that as well. No doubt any computer programmer could set up a website for this.
You’re the one that can’t read. Paul said people in the church’s of his day were baptizing for the dead. He died in 67 AD. Your teaching says the Church started with Petter in about 33 AD. So, baptisms for the dead were performed by your Church. (I don’t believe your Church began with Peter. The apostasy happened well before) But you are contradicting yourself. Funny.
 
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They were supposed to have stopped this practice
Who is “they?” If you are referring to the Church today, why do you say that? Where did you hear this? We are building more temples, not less. We do more and more genealogy too, not less.
 
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only Church God has given his keys of the kingdom of God to in order to do the Lord’s work.
That's not true. God has given the keys to the Jews for they have kept the Covenant ever since it was established. I have been to the kingdom of God but it was a Jew who refused to unlocked the door to let me in. If you read the scriptures translated by Joseph Smith you will see the proof for yourself. Of course, you have to know if it's the one written in stone or the one written in gold. There are slight differences between the two but on the point of who was given the keys it is clearly written in both of them. When God was asked he replied,

“The Mormons have lost their way and have become a Cult. I had high hopes for them in the beginning but they are now more concerned about themselves and no long revere the Ten Commandments, particularly the 1st. and the 9th.”
 

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