Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

[georgephillip]

Why aren't progressives rioting in the streets now?

Odd. Bush gone wars just rocking on and no protests. Oh because a liberal is conducting the wars.

We pulled out of Iraq and will be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014. What would they riot about?

"US drone strikes make news every day, fostering worldwide outrage and public scrutiny.

"The drone has become an icon of US lethality and dominance, and it has understandably become a principal focus of our antiwar effort.

"But recent controversial revelations about presidential-approved 'kill lists,' used to identify targets for drone assassinations, suggest a broader scope for our opposition. US assassination and targeted killing, with presidential approval, has been going on covertly for at least half a century, and continues to this day, both with and without drones.

"Drone strikes may be merely the most visible portion of a wider, global program of US targeted killing, 'a covert side to the Global War on Terrorism that is not visible and not currently knowable.'”[1]

Is It the Drones or the Killings We Oppose? | Rochester Against War

 

[9thIDdoc]

This thread should be moved to politics or history where it belongs.

 

[tinydancer]

Why aren't progressives rioting in the streets now?

Odd. Bush gone wars just rocking on and no protests. Oh because a liberal is conducting the wars.

We pulled out of Iraq and will be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014. What would they riot about?

Who made the time line on Iraq? and Obama has killed more American service men iand women n Afghanistan than anyone else.

Oh and the biggie. You are killing so many people who are innocent in your drone programs.

Why don't you care liberal? Oh because it's a progressive killing innocent people.

Hush. Say no more. No marching. No protesting. It's our side killing people. YAY!!!!! It's ok for you when your progressive president drone kills 20 plus people at a wedding party.

******* hypocrites.

 

[gipper]

Why aren't progressives rioting in the streets now?

Odd. Bush gone wars just rocking on and no protests. Oh because a liberal is conducting the wars.

We pulled out of Iraq and will be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014. What would they riot about?

Who made the time line on Iraq? and Obama has killed more American service men iand women n Afghanistan than anyone else.

Oh and the biggie. You are killing so many people who are innocent in your drone programs.

Why don't you care liberal? Oh because it's a progressive killing innocent people.

Hush. Say no more. No marching. No protesting. It's our side killing people. YAY!!!!! It's ok for you when your progressive president drone kills 20 plus people at a wedding party.

******* hypocrites.

Imagine what liberals, the Left media, and the D party would be doing if BO were an R. I bet impeachment proceedings would be going on right now over his many scandals.

And.....the MSM and Ds would be screaming daily about the millions of unemployed and underemployed, the poor staving, the rich getting richer, too big to fail banks bigger than ever, the soaring national debt, middle class and working poor incomes falling, Americans living under bridges, political corruption and cronyism, lack of transparency, failed green policies, power grabs....

 

[Politico]

Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

Because they signed up.

 

[georgephillip]

This thread should be moved to politics or history where it belongs.

Vets in all wars die for politics.
Every single US war since WWII has been driven by political economic motives against an "enemy" that posed no threat whatever to the US homeland.
Your emotional reaction to the deaths/maimings suffered by those who fought the wars borders on the irrational and only guarantees a repeat of the war crimes.

 

[SayMyName]

Why did we invade Iraq?

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

The politics aside, in this day and age, Americans choose to soldier. It is still an honorable and highly rewarding profession to serve the United States of America and its ideas, though as of the last decade or so we might have fallen short in many areas.

Though I question the policy of going to war in Iraq by George W. Bush, and even believe he lied through his teeth over and over again, let alone, not finishing the job, none of the soldiers that died there did so in vain.

They were American soldiers, and kept to their oath of service. That includes following the orders of the Commander in Chief. They did that.

They served thus, honorably.

 

[9thIDdoc]

This thread should be moved to politics or history where it belongs.

Vets in all wars die for politics.
Every single US war since WWII has been driven by political economic motives against an "enemy" that posed no threat whatever to the US homeland.
Your emotional reaction to the deaths/maimings suffered by those who fought the wars borders on the irrational and only guarantees a repeat of the war crimes.

Vets in all wars die for politics

Bullshit. That's a lie and a nasty, disrespectful, one at that. What motivates countries or other groups to fight wars is an entirely different subject than what individual people die for. What makes you arrogant enough to claim you know for a fact what anyone anywhere died for much less whole groups of them? Do you claim that you were there and reading their minds when they were killed in action or died later as a result of wounds?

"Every single US war since WWII has been driven by political economic motives..."

Wrong. Political and economic considerations are always a part of all wars including those fought before and after WWII.

"... against an "enemy" that posed no threat whatever to the US homeland."

Untrue and entirely beside the point in any case. "Protecting the homeland" is not-and never has been- the only valid reason for fighting a war. And I have to wonder why you don't seen to consider New York and the pentagon part of the homeland.

What do you know about "war crimes"? Obviously nothing but what appeals to your vivid close minded imagination.
I have every hope that you are not a US citizen. If you are you deserve to have your citizenship revoked.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

Worst leaders in the history of the US.

 

[MaryL]

I respect the uniform, but not the politicians /politics that have put our armed forces in harms way since Vietnam. Artificial wars and ill thought out consequences. Maybe we better start looking harder at ourselves for voting in these creeps that so lightly waste our children's lives and national treasure for fleeting political causes. The fault lay in ourselves.

 

[Dot Com]

I respect the uniform, but not the politicians /politics that have put our armed forces in harms way since Vietnam. Artificial wars and ill thought out consequences. Maybe we better start looking harder at ourselves for voting in these creeps that so lightly waste our children's lives and national treasure for fleeting political causes. The fault lay in ourselves.

especially repubs who's cash cow is the pentagon & its contractors. See: Duke Cunningham (R)

 

[georgephillip]

I respect the uniform, but not the politicians /politics that have put our armed forces in harms way since Vietnam. Artificial wars and ill thought out consequences. Maybe we better start looking harder at ourselves for voting in these creeps that so lightly waste our children's lives and national treasure for fleeting political causes. The fault lay in ourselves.

US voters whose ballots contain candidates from established third parties running for House and Senate seats have the option of voting against Republicans AND Democrats.

Internet and social networking make it possible to convince millions of eligible voters who don't see the difference between the two major parties to get involved and FLUSH the DC Toilet next November.

Should dozens (hundreds?) of congressional incumbents from both parties lose their seats in a single news cycle, the rich in the US will get a message they haven't heard since Tom Paine died.

 

[Dot Com]

I respect the uniform, but not the politicians /politics that have put our armed forces in harms way since Vietnam. Artificial wars and ill thought out consequences. Maybe we better start looking harder at ourselves for voting in these creeps that so lightly waste our children's lives and national treasure for fleeting political causes. The fault lay in ourselves.

US voters whose ballots contain candidates from established third parties running for House and Senate seats have the option of voting against Republicans AND Democrats.

Internet and social networking make it possible to convince millions of eligible voters who don't see the difference between the two major parties to get involved and FLUSH the DC Toilet next November.

Should dozens (hundreds?) of congressional incumbents from both parties lose their seats in a single news cycle, the rich in the US will get a message they haven't heard since Tom Paine died.

I would like nothing more than to see both parties flushed if the people could wake up from their controlled-opposition slumber.

 

[jasonnfree]

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out,

Of course, we've not incurred far more debt under Obama...not at all. He just HAD to spend more money than all previous administrations...'cuz of Bush

And those "cronies"...would they include the Democrat controlled House and Senate Bush dealt with during several years of his presidency???

the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Yep...I too am just as pissed off at the 82 Democratic House members and the 29 Senators that voted to go to war in Iraq...every bit as much as the Republicans that voted for it.

What was it you said..."unforgivable"? Or are they forgiven because everything is Bush's fault???

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

Was it not the Republicans that recently put forth a bill to NOT cut military pensions...a vote that was put down by the Dems in favor of maintaining benefits to illegals?

Why yes it was.

Point being, I too despise the debts and wars incurred by the central planners, but I'm mature enough to realize that both parties are at fault. Your bias is so overwhelming, you can't see reality. For once, you might consider not sucking a the Democratic tit. You'll realize it's both parties that are to blame for what you claim to hate.

Incurred far more debt under Obama and yet he's considered a small spender compared to other presidents. So what then was all that debt incurred under Obama spent on? Costs incurred from previous administrations are certainly part of the spending. Just asking.

 

[jasonnfree]

This thread should be moved to politics or history where it belongs.

Vets in all wars die for politics.
Every single US war since WWII has been driven by political economic motives against an "enemy" that posed no threat whatever to the US homeland.
Your emotional reaction to the deaths/maimings suffered by those who fought the wars borders on the irrational and only guarantees a repeat of the war crimes.

Vets in all wars die for politics

Bullshit. That's a lie and a nasty, disrespectful, one at that. What motivates countries or other groups to fight wars is an entirely different subject than what individual people die for. What makes you arrogant enough to claim you know for a fact what anyone anywhere died for much less whole groups of them? Do you claim that you were there and reading their minds when they were killed in action or died later as a result of wounds?

"Every single US war since WWII has been driven by political economic motives..."

Wrong. Political and economic considerations are always a part of all wars including those fought before and after WWII.

"... against an "enemy" that posed no threat whatever to the US homeland."

Untrue and entirely beside the point in any case. "Protecting the homeland" is not-and never has been- the only valid reason for fighting a war. And I have to wonder why you don't seen to consider New York and the pentagon part of the homeland.

What do you know about "war crimes"? Obviously nothing but what appeals to your vivid close minded imagination.
I have every hope that you are not a US citizen. If you are you deserve to have your citizenship revoked.

He tells the truth about every war since WW2. Our middle east problem is about profits for oil companies who use the US military and CIA for protection because they're too cheap to hire their own mercenaries. This goes back to at least early 50's.

 

[Dot Com]

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out,

Of course, we've not incurred far more debt under Obama...not at all. He just HAD to spend more money than all previous administrations...'cuz of Bush

And those "cronies"...would they include the Democrat controlled House and Senate Bush dealt with during several years of his presidency???



Yep...I too am just as pissed off at the 82 Democratic House members and the 29 Senators that voted to go to war in Iraq...every bit as much as the Republicans that voted for it.

What was it you said..."unforgivable"? Or are they forgiven because everything is Bush's fault???

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

Was it not the Republicans that recently put forth a bill to NOT cut military pensions...a vote that was put down by the Dems in favor of maintaining benefits to illegals?

Why yes it was.

Point being, I too despise the debts and wars incurred by the central planners, but I'm mature enough to realize that both parties are at fault. Your bias is so overwhelming, you can't see reality. For once, you might consider not sucking a the Democratic tit. You'll realize it's both parties that are to blame for what you claim to hate.

Incurred far more debt under Obama and yet he's considered a small spender compared to other presidents. So what then was all that debt incurred under Obama spent on? Costs incurred from previous administrations are certainly part of the spending. Just asking.

 

[MaryL]

For naught. Like all those kids names written on a wall written an a wall in DC, 52,000 of them. Reminds me so much of a poem by Colonel J. McCrea: “In Flanders Fields’ written a short 100 years ago. Not feeling to sentimental about contractors or Halliburton. Military industrial complex gone amuck. Where have we gone wrong here? Just a rhetorical question.

 

[whitehall]

The negligence of WW2 touched just about every family in the United States. Ten times more Americans were killed or captured in the first four months of WW2 than the entire Iraq mission. Shame on left wingers who have taken a legitimate congress authorized mission and turned it into a political issue.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The negligence of WW2 touched just about every family in the United States. Ten times more Americans were killed or captured in the first four months of WW2 than the entire Iraq mission. Shame on left wingers who have taken a legitimate congress authorized mission and turned it into a political issue.

Shame on cowardly rw's trying to change the topic of this thread.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

For naught. Like all those kids names written on a wall written an a wall in DC, 52,000 of them. Reminds me so much of a poem by Colonel J. McCrea: “In Flanders Fields’ written a short 100 years ago. Not feeling to sentimental about contractors or Halliburton. Military industrial complex gone amuck. Where have we gone wrong here? Just a rhetorical question.

We will have made true progress and true evolution when we finally realize that war is our real and true enemy.