Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

[Bumberclyde]

Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

For nothing, sadly.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

For nothing, sadly.

Six pages of posts but yours nails it.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Buncha whiney ass bitches.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

My guess would be that they realized they were stuck with you for a friend and immediately committed suicide.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

how many more years/decades should we stay there deficit hawks? And at what costs in lives & treasure? 4,000 more casualties? 5-10 more years? As it has been said many times before by the enemy, we have the time, they have the watch. Besides, it has turned into a training ground for up & coming terrists on the us taxpayer dime. Terrists go there to cut their teeth/get their bona fides. If GI's weren't there, there'd be no big draw for foreigners to go to that country.

This means something to me because I'm former active-duty- forward deployed and know what its like to be far away for extended periods of time. .03% of the country knows what thats like.

I was a combat medic in Vietnam. I've seen more than a little death and dying. And you're still an asshole for disrespecting our fallen.

Pointing-out that that iraq was a voluntary colossal clusterfuck isn't about the troops. its about the ciivilian leadership that put them there old man. Meh, no getting through to you.

It is about the troops.

You are telling everyone who fought there that they were there representing a lie, and that their friends who died died for no reason. You do not support the troops if you are telling them that they wasted their time and their lives, fighting in a colossal clusterfuck.

The fact that you don't get that is the entire problem.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

For nothing, sadly.

Six pages of posts but yours nails it.

And you wonder why people think you don't support the troops.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

For nothing, sadly.

Six pages of posts but yours nails it.

And you wonder why people think you don't support the troops.

Stating that we went into war for no valid reason in no way disrespects the boots on the ground.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Stating that we went into war for no valid reason in no way disrespects the boots on the ground.

True. The same is NOT true of saying they died for nothing which is insulting on top of being disrespectful and arrogant. Who do you think you are to make such a judgment? IMO you are richly deserving of a boot up the ass.

 

[Dot Com]

I was a combat medic in Vietnam. I've seen more than a little death and dying. And you're still an asshole for disrespecting our fallen.

Pointing-out that that iraq was a voluntary colossal clusterfuck isn't about the troops. its about the ciivilian leadership that put them there old man. Meh, no getting through to you.

It is about the troops.

You are telling everyone who fought there that they were there representing a lie, and that their friends who died died for no reason. You do not support the troops if you are telling them that they wasted their time and their lives, fighting in a colossal clusterfuck.

The fact that you don't get that is the entire problem.

ummm..... I'm a vet you dipshit. The way to "honor" them is to get them out of that foreign policy catastrophe. 'Right' or 'wrong' rarely enters their mind unless the order is blatantly unlawful. BTW- you serve?

 

[9thIDdoc]

ummm..... I'm a vet you dipshit

You just prove that vets can also be assholes

 

[Dot Com]

...says the guy who called taxpayers assholes

 

[georgephillip]

And you remain off topic. This is notabout politics. Not yours. Not mine. Nor anyone else's.

Who made you the decider?
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq.
If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.

Who else can decide my opinion?
]
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq


Which is exactly what I keep trying to remind you and others
simply using this thread as a forum to present their personal views of politics and history and dramatically attempting to suggest that dead soldiers share their weird ass views. You have not attempted to address the question of why they died.

If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.

Bullshit. The politics relates to why they were sentand not a thing about why they died. They died because they were sent to do a dangerous job and were killed trying to do it.

Politics relates to exercising force against adversaries which includes launching wars of aggression in pursuit of private profit. If Americans who died in Iraq were influenced by the lies of those in politics who stood to profit from their deaths, you're reasoning is simply condemning the next generation of patriotic Americans to the same criminal fate as their parents and grandparents.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Who made you the decider?
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq.
If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.

Who else can decide my opinion?
]
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq


Which is exactly what I keep trying to remind you and others
simply using this thread as a forum to present their personal views of politics and history and dramatically attempting to suggest that dead soldiers share their weird ass views. You have not attempted to address the question of why they died.

If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.

Bullshit. The politics relates to why they were sentand not a thing about why they died. They died because they were sent to do a dangerous job and were killed trying to do it.

Politics relates to exercising force against adversaries which includes launching wars of aggression in pursuit of private profit. If Americans who died in Iraq were influenced by the lies of those in politics who stood to profit from their deaths, you're reasoning is simply condemning the next generation of patriotic Americans to the same criminal fate as their parents and grandparents.

Your logic sucks. Do you know of any lying politicians that died there? The troops that fight and die are not given the option of deciding what wars to fight. Governments make that decision and they represent the people. Being mad (rightly or wrongly) at the government, or the citizens that elected it and must share in the responsibility for it's actions, gives no one the right to disrespect the troops who do our bidding. Put blame where it belongs and suck it up.

 

[georgephillip]

Who else can decide my opinion?
]
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq


Which is exactly what I keep trying to remind you and others
simply using this thread as a forum to present their personal views of politics and history and dramatically attempting to suggest that dead soldiers share their weird ass views. You have not attempted to address the question of why they died.

If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.

Bullshit. The politics relates to why they were sentand not a thing about why they died. They died because they were sent to do a dangerous job and were killed trying to do it.

Politics relates to exercising force against adversaries which includes launching wars of aggression in pursuit of private profit. If Americans who died in Iraq were influenced by the lies of those in politics who stood to profit from their deaths, you're reasoning is simply condemning the next generation of patriotic Americans to the same criminal fate as their parents and grandparents.

Your logic sucks. Do you know of any lying politicians that died there? The troops that fight and die are not given the option of deciding what wars to fight. Governments make that decision and they represent the people. Being mad (rightly or wrongly) at the government, or the citizens that elected it and must share in the responsibility for it's actions, gives no one the right to disrespect the troops who do our bidding. Put blame where it belongs and suck it up.

So the next generation of lying politicians can convince the children of today's vets to kill and be killed for the next Big Lie?

I never implied any politicians, liars or otherwise, died in Iraq.
The politicians' lies disrespect every vet who ever served, and every citizen whose taxes paid for every war.
Your logic calls for more of the same.
Mine calls for ending the lies and those who get rich from them.
It is not being disrespectful to vets to point out they died for a lie.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Six pages of posts but yours nails it.

And you wonder why people think you don't support the troops.

Stating that we went into war for no valid reason in no way disrespects the boots on the ground.

Seriously?

You probably aren't going to get this, but I am going to say it anyway. What matters to the troops is why they are there. They are there for different reasons, but, ultimately, unless you believe in why they are there, you aren't actually supporting them, you are just sucking the life out of them.

By the way, we had a valid reason to invade Iraq, it just isn't the one that all the assholes whinge about.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I never implied any politicians, liars or otherwise, died in Iraq.

So? Who said you did?

The politicians' lies disrespect every vet who ever served, and every citizen whose taxes paid for every war.

I agree 100% and that's what I've been saying all along. The problem is that you seem to think that your political lies should be allowed to disrespect them while no one else's should be allowed. I think that our dead soldiers should not be used to score to score points for any political opinion

Your logic calls for more of the same.
Mine calls for ending the lies and those who get rich from them.

Bullshit. You just think your lies are more special than any one else's.

It is not being disrespectful to vets to point out they died for a lie.

It is deeply disrespectful because they did NOT die for anybody's lie. They died trying to carry out the mission given them by their Country; not anybody's politics and you slander them when you claim otherwise.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Pointing-out that that iraq was a voluntary colossal clusterfuck isn't about the troops. its about the ciivilian leadership that put them there old man. Meh, no getting through to you.

It is about the troops.

You are telling everyone who fought there that they were there representing a lie, and that their friends who died died for no reason. You do not support the troops if you are telling them that they wasted their time and their lives, fighting in a colossal clusterfuck.

The fact that you don't get that is the entire problem.

ummm..... I'm a vet you dipshit.

So am I? What's your point?

The way to "honor" them is to get them out of that foreign policy catastrophe. 'Right' or 'wrong' rarely enters their mind unless the order is blatantly unlawful. BTW- you serve?

You claim the title of vet like it means something special, but you forget that the military is a culture of warriors. If you think they don't care about right and wrong, and that the only time they ever think is a simple consideration of whether the order is lawful or not, you dishonor them. I am not even a warrior and I got more out of my time in the service than that.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Who made you the decider?
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq.
If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.

Who else can decide my opinion?
]
This thread is about WHY Americans died in Iraq


Which is exactly what I keep trying to remind you and others
simply using this thread as a forum to present their personal views of politics and history and dramatically attempting to suggest that dead soldiers share their weird ass views. You have not attempted to address the question of why they died.

If you think that isn't about "politics", you're being disingenuous or you're trolling.

Bullshit. The politics relates to why they were sentand not a thing about why they died. They died because they were sent to do a dangerous job and were killed trying to do it.

Politics relates to exercising force against adversaries which includes launching wars of aggression in pursuit of private profit. If Americans who died in Iraq were influenced by the lies of those in politics who stood to profit from their deaths, you're reasoning is simply condemning the next generation of patriotic Americans to the same criminal fate as their parents and grandparents.

That would only be true if the world was run by OmniCorp.

It isn't.

 

[Dot Com]

rw logic in this thread dictates that we should keep throwing troops into the meatgrinder AKA Iraq or it will disrespect those who already perished. You can't make this stuff up. Iraq was NOT thought out, "We'll be greeted as liberators", "the war will pay for itself" . You people have to be kidding me. This is going to cost a bundle when you add up all the VA bills for the next 40-50 yrs on top of the TRILLION or three the war has already cost. The zinger is- the results right now are mixed at best.

 

[georgephillip]

I never implied any politicians, liars or otherwise, died in Iraq.

So? Who said you did?

The politicians' lies disrespect every vet who ever served, and every citizen whose taxes paid for every war.

I agree 100% and that's what I've been saying all along. The problem is that you seem to think that your political lies should be allowed to disrespect them while no one else's should be allowed. I think that our dead soldiers should not be used to score to score points for any political opinion

Your logic calls for more of the same.
Mine calls for ending the lies and those who get rich from them.

Bullshit. You just think your lies are more special than any one else's.

It is not being disrespectful to vets to point out they died for a lie.

It is deeply disrespectful because they did NOT die for anybody's lie. They died trying to carry out the mission given them by their Country; not anybody's politics and you slander them when you claim otherwise.

Every US vet who's died in action since 1945 has died for a lie.
Since there are only two legitimate excuses for a legal war, imminent threat or UNSC authorization, every war waged by the US (with the possible exception of Korea) has been a lie based on the politics of greed.
You're being disrespectful to the vets to make apologies for those who get rich from their deaths and maiming.