Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

[9thIDdoc]

I never implied any politicians, liars or otherwise, died in Iraq.

So? Who said you did?

The politicians' lies disrespect every vet who ever served, and every citizen whose taxes paid for every war.

I agree 100% and that's what I've been saying all along. The problem is that you seem to think that your political lies should be allowed to disrespect them while no one else's should be allowed. I think that our dead soldiers should not be used to score to score points for any political opinion

Your logic calls for more of the same.
Mine calls for ending the lies and those who get rich from them.

Bullshit. You just think your lies are more special than any one else's.

It is not being disrespectful to vets to point out they died for a lie.

It is deeply disrespectful because they did NOT die for anybody's lie. They died trying to carry out the mission given them by their Country; not anybody's politics and you slander them when you claim otherwise.

Every US vet who's died in action since 1945 has died for a lie.
Since there are only two legitimate excuses for a legal war, imminent threat or UNSC authorization, every war waged by the US (with the possible exception of Korea) has been a lie based on the politics of greed.
You're being disrespectful to the vets to make apologies for those who get rich from their deaths and maiming.

And you are a serious asshole for disrespecting our dead.

 

[9thIDdoc]

rw logic in this thread dictates that we should keep throwing troops into the meatgrinder AKA Iraq or it will disrespect those who already perished. You can't make this stuff up. Iraq was NOT thought out, "We'll be greeted as liberators", "the war will pay for itself" . You people have to be kidding me. This is going to cost a bundle when you add up all the VA bills for the next 40-50 yrs on top of the TRILLION or three the war has already cost. The zinger is- the results right now are mixed at best.

Just no end to your political bullshit is there? Hope you choke on it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Six pages of posts but yours nails it.

And you wonder why people think you don't support the troops.

Stating that we went into war for no valid reason in no way disrespects the boots on the ground.

I agree.

Just the opposite has been true for a long time.

I get so sick of seeing the phony "we support our troops" stuff when, in fact, most people really do nothing at all.

"Support" and "respect" means getting them home from wars that we had no business in, in the first place. It means getting them home in one piece and it means getting the mental and physical help they need to get back to their lives. And it means jobs and homes and not trashing the president and first and second ladies for trying to help that effort. Its sure as hell a lot more than the last prez and his dick veep ever did for them.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I never implied any politicians, liars or otherwise, died in Iraq.

So? Who said you did?

The politicians' lies disrespect every vet who ever served, and every citizen whose taxes paid for every war.

I agree 100% and that's what I've been saying all along. The problem is that you seem to think that your political lies should be allowed to disrespect them while no one else's should be allowed. I think that our dead soldiers should not be used to score to score points for any political opinion

Your logic calls for more of the same.
Mine calls for ending the lies and those who get rich from them.

Bullshit. You just think your lies are more special than any one else's.

It is not being disrespectful to vets to point out they died for a lie.

It is deeply disrespectful because they did NOT die for anybody's lie. They died trying to carry out the mission given them by their Country; not anybody's politics and you slander them when you claim otherwise.

Every US vet who's died in action since 1945 has died for a lie.
Since there are only two legitimate excuses for a legal war, imminent threat or UNSC authorization, every war waged by the US (with the possible exception of Korea) has been a lie based on the politics of greed.
You're being disrespectful to the vets to make apologies for those who get rich from their deaths and maiming.

Exactly.

We don't got to war for principles for for freedom.

These days, wars are fought for money and oil. And, most recently, its been the Bush dynasty that has made the most from their unholy alliance with the bin Ladens.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

rw logic in this thread dictates that we should keep throwing troops into the meatgrinder AKA Iraq or it will disrespect those who already perished. You can't make this stuff up. Iraq was NOT thought out, "We'll be greeted as liberators", "the war will pay for itself" . You people have to be kidding me. This is going to cost a bundle when you add up all the VA bills for the next 40-50 yrs on top of the TRILLION or three the war has already cost. The zinger is- the results right now are mixed at best.

Just no end to your political bullshit is there? Hope you choke on it.

What part of Dot Com's post is untrue?

Just because a young person loves his/her country and wants to serve doesn't mean we should allow politicians to use them up and throw them out like garbage.

 

[9thIDdoc]

rw logic in this thread dictates that we should keep throwing troops into the meatgrinder AKA Iraq or it will disrespect those who already perished. You can't make this stuff up. Iraq was NOT thought out, "We'll be greeted as liberators", "the war will pay for itself" . You people have to be kidding me. This is going to cost a bundle when you add up all the VA bills for the next 40-50 yrs on top of the TRILLION or three the war has already cost. The zinger is- the results right now are mixed at best.

Just no end to your political bullshit is there? Hope you choke on it.

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Just because a young person loves his/her country and wants to serve doesn't mean we should allow politicians to use them up and throw them out like garbage

Nor does it mean that we should allow their dead bodies be dishonored by bullshit political propagandists like yourself.

 

[Dot Com]

talking to you is like talking to a wall. I'm done w/ this one.

 

[Truthseeker420]

The truth is that died doing the job America sent them to do. You're just another asshole trying to make political points disrespecting our fallen. Shame on you.

But it's okay for you to make political points "disrespecting our fallen"? What is that called?

As I have said repeatedly it's not okay for anyone and I haven't done so and don't intend to.

I'm confused, maybe you can explain why my criticism of Bush's Iraq war is "disrespecting our fallen" but your criticism of Obama over Benghazi is not...?

 

[Truthseeker420]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJQS3eLSXgA]Dying Iraq War Veteran Tomas Young Reacts to George W. Bush Joke About Missing WMDs - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

rw logic in this thread dictates that we should keep throwing troops into the meatgrinder AKA Iraq or it will disrespect those who already perished. You can't make this stuff up. Iraq was NOT thought out, "We'll be greeted as liberators", "the war will pay for itself" . You people have to be kidding me. This is going to cost a bundle when you add up all the VA bills for the next 40-50 yrs on top of the TRILLION or three the war has already cost. The zinger is- the results right now are mixed at best.

Right wing logic realizes that we already left Iraq.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

rw logic in this thread dictates that we should keep throwing troops into the meatgrinder AKA Iraq or it will disrespect those who already perished. You can't make this stuff up. Iraq was NOT thought out, "We'll be greeted as liberators", "the war will pay for itself" . You people have to be kidding me. This is going to cost a bundle when you add up all the VA bills for the next 40-50 yrs on top of the TRILLION or three the war has already cost. The zinger is- the results right now are mixed at best.

Just no end to your political bullshit is there? Hope you choke on it.

What part of Dot Com's post is untrue?

Just because a young person loves his/her country and wants to serve doesn't mean we should allow politicians to use them up and throw them out like garbage.

Did your all seeing eyes skip over the part where he is talking about still fighting in Iraq even though the war is over?

 

[tinydancer]

Why did we invade Iraq?

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

Because, as I and many others have been saying all along, if you fight for America now you're not fighting to protect American freedom, you're fighting to make corporations who supply everything used in wars, richer.

US hasn't had a justifiable war since 1812. If no one's invading the mainland US, stay out of it.

Now this is just for fun.

We canucks kicked your ass. You couldn't make it past Stoney Creek. And really just for fun do you know why the White House is called the White House?

Take no offense. I am a lover of history and have fun with it.

 

[tinydancer]

Why aren't progressives rioting in the streets now?

Odd. Bush gone wars just rocking on and no protests. Oh because a liberal is conducting the wars.

 

[Publius1787]

Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.

For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY]General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube[/ame]

Wesley Clark, 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, discusses Saddam's WMD:

WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.

MILES O'BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?

WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.

MILES O'BRIEN: All right, well, where are, where is, they've been there a long time and thus far we've got 12 empty casings. Where are all these weapons?

WESLEY CLARK: There's a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles, and I'm not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein's security organizations. There's a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this.

Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate
During an interview on CNN
January 18, 2003

Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq

CNN.com

 

[gipper]

Why aren't progressives rioting in the streets now?

Odd. Bush gone wars just rocking on and no protests. Oh because a liberal is conducting the wars.

Of course you are right. The hypocrisy of the Left is unlimited. Amazingly many Americans fail to see that much of the MSM is a wholly owned department of the D Party.

Remember how the media breathlessly reported the number of American deaths in the stupid and worthless war in Iraq EVERY day, but we heard nothing similar when deaths spiked in Afghanshitland under BO's surge?

 

[gipper]

Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.

For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY]General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube[/ame]

Wesley Clark, 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, discusses Saddam's WMD:

WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.

MILES O'BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?

WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.

MILES O'BRIEN: All right, well, where are, where is, they've been there a long time and thus far we've got 12 empty casings. Where are all these weapons?

WESLEY CLARK: There's a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles, and I'm not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein's security organizations. There's a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this.

Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate
During an interview on CNN
January 18, 2003

Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq

CNN.com

That is conveniently forgotten by those on the Left...like so many things.

 

[Publius1787]

For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube

Wesley Clark, 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, discusses Saddam's WMD:

WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.

MILES O'BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?

WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.

MILES O'BRIEN: All right, well, where are, where is, they've been there a long time and thus far we've got 12 empty casings. Where are all these weapons?

WESLEY CLARK: There's a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles, and I'm not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein's security organizations. There's a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this.

Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate
During an interview on CNN
January 18, 2003

Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq

CNN.com

That is conveniently forgotten by those on the Left...like so many things.

Like so many things >>> Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq

 

[georgephillip]

Here's my take on why we went to Iraq. Call me crazy but I strongly believe it was a personal vendetta. If you'll recall, old man Bush was in Saudi Arabia in 1993 and a plot to kill him was uncovered and it was determined Saddam was behind it. Fast forward to 2003. We're chugging along on the war on terror, focused on Afghanistan, and out of the clear blue sky Bush does a 180 and it's all about Saddam and his WMD's. No one was convinced America was in danger, so why invade? I strongly believe that Bush was saying to Saddam "you tried to kill my Daddy and now I'm going to kill your sons in front of your eyes and then I'm going to hang you". Can anyone deny this happened? I also believe that every American who died or was maimed in Iraq has been a despicable waste of American treasure.

For thousands of years families as rich as Saddam's or Bush's have understood the value of and preyed upon the terror produced by threatening an opponent's children with death.

It seems likely to me Bush was settling a personal score with Saddam, although it's worth asking about the timing, at least.

According to Wesley Clark, he was told by another general on or about 20 September 2001 the Pentagon had already decided to invade Iraq.

This was not some "contingency" plan.
The decision to invade had already been made.
All that remained was the politic$ and $pin and profit$

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY]General Wesley Clark Tells 'Democracy Now' The Truth About Middle East And War On Iraq! - YouTube[/ame]

Wesley Clark, 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, discusses Saddam's WMD:

WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.

MILES O'BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?

WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.

MILES O'BRIEN: All right, well, where are, where is, they've been there a long time and thus far we've got 12 empty casings. Where are all these weapons?

WESLEY CLARK: There's a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles, and I'm not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein's security organizations. There's a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this.

Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate
During an interview on CNN
January 18, 2003

Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq

CNN.com

Clark and most of his fellow Democrats did their part to weaken Saddam during the 90s with sanctions and "no fly zones." I suspect Wesley had some strategic investments that paid off well with the fall of Baghdad; he was certainly aware of his upcoming new book scheduled for release in March of 2003

At the time Clark gave the CNN interview, he was also aware of US plans to topple Saddam and then enact regime change in six more Muslim states over the next five years.

Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, and Iran.

Imagine how many more books We$ley would have sold if he had dropped that bombshell in January of 2003?

 

[tinydancer]

Don't you think it odd that now out of the blue Syria has WMD's? Basically all the shit Sadamm was using but the libs against Bush didn't think they were good enough to be called WMD?s

 

[Truthseeker420]

Why aren't progressives rioting in the streets now?

Odd. Bush gone wars just rocking on and no protests. Oh because a liberal is conducting the wars.

We pulled out of Iraq and will be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014. What would they riot about?