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Then you imagine communist society to be slave society with a state machinery to run the slaves. So that is at least two classes of people organized within a state.
What an interesting blog article on American ideas about civil responsibility and the knee jerk reaction of Americans generally, and Conservatives specifically, to fear community welfare and immediately associate it with socialism or communism. It led to her asking “What are you so afraid of?”, and she received 5 specific groups of fears:
She has some good responses to these fears that I can’t do just to for a short attention span. Read the link if you want. I think these fears keep America from being a great and caring nation.
- I’m scared of having to pay for other people’s laziness
- I’m scared because I don’t trust my government or other people generally
- I’m scared because socialism leads to authoritarianism
- I’m scared because socialists and communists kill a lot of people
- I’m not scared, socialism always fails
Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?
I went a little bit viral on TikTok recently for voicing the unthinkable: I said that I like paying taxes. As you might imagine, the Americans and Conservatives in my comment section were shocked and appalled. The words communist and socialist were thrown around like insults, images of gulags and famine were invoked to prove some kind of vague and poorly-articulated point about freedom.
In contrast, the (predominantly western/northern) Europeans seemed to find my explanation pretty fair and even stopped to correct me on some of the finer points of Scottish, Scandinavian and German socialist democracy.
What shocked me, however, was not that so many Americans and Conservatives seemed to misunderstand fundamental aspects of civil life — like taxation — but that so many seemed so vehemently opposed to any suggestion that we should all contribute to the collective welfare of our countrymen.
Curiosity piqued, yesterday I made the mistake of asking Americans and Conservatives: “What is it about communism/socialism that scares you?” Here’s what they said.
No wonder you flunked out of school. You never learned to read and you cannot distinguish what's true from what's lies. We know that because we see that.We dont imagine that -- it's true. You have no freedom or liberty, if you dont have both SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC freedom. Centrally run and planned economies make economic slaves out of the populace. And the 2% thrive. Like in Russia with the Oligarchs and bankers. Or China with the military being YOUR forced business partner.
No wonder you flunked out of school. You never learned to read and you cannot distinguish what's true from what's lies. We know that because we see that.
You don't know what I'm a fan of. Trust me.So Herr Karl - there's no such thing as economic liberty or what? Why make this about me? Tell me why you're such a fan of obliterating economic and/or social freedoms.
You think the government (or their military) as a business partner is big advantage to serving your products to people? Is it because you LOVE the naive vision of central planners that the 2% in govt is smarter, faster, more ethical, more DEDICATED than the MILLIONS of private businesses in capitalist states that wake up EVERY MORNING to serve the products that people WANT? Rather then what the minions of morons believe you NEED?
you have to be high to believe socialism works, it doesn't. Show me a truly socialist country that works (aka a country with NO capitslism)What an interesting blog article on American ideas about civil responsibility and the knee jerk reaction of Americans generally, and Conservatives specifically, to fear community welfare and immediately associate it with socialism or communism. It led to her asking “What are you so afraid of?”, and she received 5 specific groups of fears:
She has some good responses to these fears that I can’t do just to for a short attention span. Read the link if you want. I think these fears keep America from being a great and caring nation.
- I’m scared of having to pay for other people’s laziness
- I’m scared because I don’t trust my government or other people generally
- I’m scared because socialism leads to authoritarianism
- I’m scared because socialists and communists kill a lot of people
- I’m not scared, socialism always fails
Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?
I went a little bit viral on TikTok recently for voicing the unthinkable: I said that I like paying taxes. As you might imagine, the Americans and Conservatives in my comment section were shocked and appalled. The words communist and socialist were thrown around like insults, images of gulags and famine were invoked to prove some kind of vague and poorly-articulated point about freedom.
In contrast, the (predominantly western/northern) Europeans seemed to find my explanation pretty fair and even stopped to correct me on some of the finer points of Scottish, Scandinavian and German socialist democracy.
What shocked me, however, was not that so many Americans and Conservatives seemed to misunderstand fundamental aspects of civil life — like taxation — but that so many seemed so vehemently opposed to any suggestion that we should all contribute to the collective welfare of our countrymen.
Curiosity piqued, yesterday I made the mistake of asking Americans and Conservatives: “What is it about communism/socialism that scares you?” Here’s what they said.
The suspense is amazing. When you gonna discuss the wondrous world of central planning and control?You don't know what I'm a fan of. Trust me.
No, you moron.“Corporate socialism”…..You mean like when the Kenyan King gave banks and auto makers hundreds of billions?
You would have to be high to believe there is a country on earth, with people that DOESN'T use capitalism.you have to be high to believe socialism works, it doesn't. Show me a truly socialist country that works (aka a country with NO capitslism)
WTF?Well hell, I definitely don't want socialism then. You make a good point.
So, why would you want to give a crooked bastard like Trump MORE power over our economic decisions??
Who the fuck wants a socialist country? What people want is for republicans to stop lying and calling any program to improve society socialism you twit. You are a parody.you have to be high to believe socialism works, it doesn't. Show me a truly socialist country that works (aka a country with NO capitalism)
Sure. Neither would I. But what if the majority disagrees with you?WTF?
I wouldn't leave him in charge of a salvation army kettle.
WTF?Sure. Neither would I. But what if the majority disagrees with you?
This is my main point of contention with people who want to expand the power of government. If people you disagree with take power, they'll have that much more control over your life. I'd rather not go there, rather not have my life choices determined by majority rule.
Not the kind you do. Democracy should be reserved for social issues that require conformity. Most things don't, and in those cases, the majority shouldn't be allowed to force its will on everyone else.WTF?
That's the way it works, you don't support democracy?
If you're afraid to answer a hypothetical - there might be a reason."But what if the majority disagrees with you"?
They didn't.
Clinton- 65,844,610 votes.
Trump- 62,979,636 votes.
Biden- 81,286,365 votes.
Trump- 74,225,845 votes.
So, only SOME people should be able to run red lights, speed, and drive drunk..............got it.Not the kind you do. Democracy should be reserved for social issues that require conformity. Most things don't, and in those cases, the majority shouldn't be allowed to force its will on everyone else.
I would bet my last $100 dollars, republicans will find someone even more unhinged and twice the idiot Trump is.If you're afraid to answer a hypothetical - there might be a reason.
Live in denial all you want, but our country is losing its mind. It's entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that they'll elect another unhinged idiot -
Ask Moscow Mc Turtle.that the deplorables will take over government. How much power do you want them to have when they do?
So, all forms of government has issues.The issue I'm raising is a real problem with democracy, but I know you won't address it or acknowledge it in any way. Modern "liberals" never, ever do.
Sure democracy is overrated, ask Russia.They steer widely around it because they've elevated democracy to a religious value, and reject any criticism, any recognition of its weaknesses or any suggestion that it should be limited. That's fucked up.
Your real estate is never fully owned the state can take it away if taxes are not paid.There are no private property rights. Everyone owns a certain property
The means of production is state owned. There are no private businesses. Everyone owns the businesses
Whatever your fantasy of Socialism is, it is based on these 2 points only
No, you missed it. By a wide margin.So, only SOME people should be able to run red lights, speed, and drive drunk..............got it.
Yep. I'd bet ten times that they get elected. And, thanks to the Democrats' incessant desire to give government ever more power, this unhinged someone will have even more control over our lives. Why do you want that?I would bet my last $100 dollars, republicans will find someone even more unhinged and twice the idiot Trump is.
WTF?No, you missed it. By a wide margin.
Right.Yep. I'd bet ten times that they get elected. And, thanks to the Democrats' incessant desire to give government ever more power, this unhinged someone will have even more control over our lives. Why do you want that?
You're the one with contradictions.I'll offer that as a rhetorical question - because I know you won't answer. You can't answer. Facing internal contradictions can be painful.
Yeah. You did. On purpose. Because you don't wanna talk about it.WTF?
No, I didn't.
I'm not a Republican, and I don't give a single fuck about your two-party pissing match.Right.
Like the un "patriot" act.
Created, voted on and signed into law by republicans.
1) Democrats give government more power.You're the one with contradictions.
Majority shouldn't rule....................a free for all for everyone.
