Who is the Liar?

[Lipush]

Their country they get to decide who gets in. That's how it works.

Yes, unequally. The whole point of the thread.

Yes, they are surrounded by over 700 million Arab Muslims and they already have over two million, with limited space and resources. Plus, the countries they are coming from are extremely hostile to Israel and the Jews.

Yeah that's the price of claiming the most blood-soaked land on Earth as yours alone.

What is it with you that you wish to believe that the Israel, Judea and Samaria are the "most blood-soaked land on the earth" ?

How dare you forget what happened in Europe during WWII?
Or what happened in Armenia during WWI?
Or in Sudan?

And the Land of Israel IS and has always been, according to the Christians and Muslims themselves - a land which belongs to the Jewish People, where Jewish History was born.

The Land does belong to the Jews, you like it or not.

People have been slaughtering each other for millennia over religious nonsense in the "holy" land. So yes, the most blood-soaked land on the planet. I don't care who, of the 3 billion people that claim it, the land belongs to. I care that they've somehow roped the U.S. into their meaningless squabble.

WE pulled US to the conflict?

Wow. You people mess things up so bad. It's the US stupid policy that pulled US to this thing to begin with. USA believes it can force the Mid East to be like the USA. It was it tried doing for decades now. It thinks that since it has such power it can tell others what to do, how to live and who to fight with. Get it in your heads, nobody in the Mid East pulled you into our issue, you pushed yourselves in here.

 

[louie888]

How can you steal land?

How can anyone be so obtuse?

 

[Lipush]

Have the Japanese and Koreans been slaughtering each other for thousands of years because magical beliefs call on them to? Are they currently occupying each other's territories because of some mystical claim they say they have?

You are missing my point. No, they are not. You know why? Because the Japanese never got it in their heads that Korea and Korean culture is actually theirs. They did not try to usurp Korean historical and religious narratives and sites. They recognized themselves as invaders and so did the rest of the world. So when the Korean people liberated themselves from their invaders, the wrong was righted.

The equivalent in the context of the Arab/Israel debate is that there are no such thing as Koreans, that Koreans were all destroyed 2000 years ago. And that the true Koreans are the Japanese.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

You want to put it in context? Okay, suppose tomorrow the UN tells Alabama they're going to make it a Native American state ruled by Native Americans, and starts flying in millions of Native Americans. Then the Native Americans declare that only Native Americans can move there. Do the people of Alabama have a legitimate grievance?

We are now off topic, btw. For the record, I do not favor the Israeli side, nor the Palestinian side. I just want the U.S. out of the mess.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

I'm glad you pointed it out.

My family has roots in Israel since 1887. But, by BDS, I'm a land thief, for the simple reason I'm Jewish. I cannot live anywhere I want in the land because they'll call me a land-thief. By world view, the Palestinian is my victim, even though our starting point was one and the same, but he will be "legitimate" in the eyes of the Anti-Zionist, while I will be an "occupier".

Just ask Tinmore. That is what so twisted in the eye of the Anti-Zionist.

For the record, I wish a time will come when we can live peacefully. But I don't know if I will live to see it. Hopefully I will.

 

[Roudy]

Ha ha ha. Stop making up shit. Are those the same so called Palestinians who after the unsuccessful attempt to destroy the Jewish state in 1948, were kept in concentration camp style conditions in Gaza and West Bank by fellow Arab Jordanians and Egyptians for twenty years?!

OMG what a dipshit.

Deflection.

What do you mean deflection, moron? You claimed the so called Palestinian refugees should automatically be Israeli citizens and I showed how idiotic your claim was when applied to the 20 year occupation of West Bank and Gaza by Jordan and Egypt from 1948 to 1967.

Occupations do not change citizenship.

So what country were they "citizens" of while under Jordanian and Egyptian occupation?

Palestine.

Ha ha ha! First you said Israel now it's Palestine?! Considering of course that not one Arab country at the time in 1948 believed in the existence of a so called Palestine. And their attack on the newly formed state was never to create a "Palestine" it was to destroy it and divide the proceeds between the aggressors. That's why during the 20 year occupation of West Bank and Gaza by Jordan and Egypt, there wasn't a peep from anybody about a mythical Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

Have the Japanese and Koreans been slaughtering each other for thousands of years because magical beliefs call on them to? Are they currently occupying each other's territories because of some mystical claim they say they have?

You are missing my point. No, they are not. You know why? Because the Japanese never got it in their heads that Korea and Korean culture is actually theirs. They did not try to usurp Korean historical and religious narratives and sites. They recognized themselves as invaders and so did the rest of the world. So when the Korean people liberated themselves from their invaders, the wrong was righted.

The equivalent in the context of the Arab/Israel debate is that there are no such thing as Koreans, that Koreans were all destroyed 2000 years ago. And that the true Koreans are the Japanese.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

You want to put it in context? Okay, suppose tomorrow the UN tells Alabama they're going to make it a Native American state ruled by Native Americans, and starts flying in millions of Native Americans. Then the Native Americans declare that only Native Americans can move there. Do the people of Alabama have a legitimate grievance?

We are now off topic, btw. For the record, I do not favor the Israeli side, nor the Palestinian side. I just want the U.S. out of the mess.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

I'm glad you pointed it out.

My family has roots in Israel since 1887. But, by BDS, I'm a land thief, for the simple reason I'm Jewish. I cannot live anywhere I want in the land because they'll call me a land-thief. By world view, the Palestinian is my victim, even though our starting point was one and the same, but he will be "legitimate" in the eyes of the Anti-Zionist, while I will be an "occupier".

Just ask Tinmore. That is what so twisted in the eye of the Anti-Zionist.

For the record, I wish a time will come when we can live peacefully. But I don't know if I will live to see it. Hopefully I will.

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887. Why are they no longer the majority?

 

[Roudy]

Have the Japanese and Koreans been slaughtering each other for thousands of years because magical beliefs call on them to? Are they currently occupying each other's territories because of some mystical claim they say they have?

You are missing my point. No, they are not. You know why? Because the Japanese never got it in their heads that Korea and Korean culture is actually theirs. They did not try to usurp Korean historical and religious narratives and sites. They recognized themselves as invaders and so did the rest of the world. So when the Korean people liberated themselves from their invaders, the wrong was righted.

The equivalent in the context of the Arab/Israel debate is that there are no such thing as Koreans, that Koreans were all destroyed 2000 years ago. And that the true Koreans are the Japanese.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

You want to put it in context? Okay, suppose tomorrow the UN tells Alabama they're going to make it a Native American state ruled by Native Americans, and starts flying in millions of Native Americans. Then the Native Americans declare that only Native Americans can move there. Do the people of Alabama have a legitimate grievance?

We are now off topic, btw. For the record, I do not favor the Israeli side, nor the Palestinian side. I just want the U.S. out of the mess.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

I'm glad you pointed it out.

My family has roots in Israel since 1887. But, by BDS, I'm a land thief, for the simple reason I'm Jewish. I cannot live anywhere I want in the land because they'll call me a land-thief. By world view, the Palestinian is my victim, even though our starting point was one and the same, but he will be "legitimate" in the eyes of the Anti-Zionist, while I will be an "occupier".

Just ask Tinmore. That is what so twisted in the eye of the Anti-Zionist.

For the record, I wish a time will come when we can live peacefully. But I don't know if I will live to see it. Hopefully I will.

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887. Why are they no longer the majority?

Ha ha ha. Only an Internet jihadi scumbag antisemite would call a Jew who's decedants have lived in Israel since 150 years ago "a land theif".

The Muslim barbarians who invaded Israel many times are the land thieves, or did you forget? How else did Islam arrive in Israel. Moreover I already showed you many times that Jews maintained a presence throughout the Ottoman Empire as far back as the 1500's and even before. In fact the REAL numbers clearly show that in the late1800's the Jews were a majority in Jerusalem and several other cities.

So eat shit and don't insult other people's ancestors, asshole. Which is a violation of the board rules to begin with. They had every right to be in their ancestral, religious and cultural homeland, and they stole nobody's land.

 

[montelatici]

Have the Japanese and Koreans been slaughtering each other for thousands of years because magical beliefs call on them to? Are they currently occupying each other's territories because of some mystical claim they say they have?

You are missing my point. No, they are not. You know why? Because the Japanese never got it in their heads that Korea and Korean culture is actually theirs. They did not try to usurp Korean historical and religious narratives and sites. They recognized themselves as invaders and so did the rest of the world. So when the Korean people liberated themselves from their invaders, the wrong was righted.

The equivalent in the context of the Arab/Israel debate is that there are no such thing as Koreans, that Koreans were all destroyed 2000 years ago. And that the true Koreans are the Japanese.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

You want to put it in context? Okay, suppose tomorrow the UN tells Alabama they're going to make it a Native American state ruled by Native Americans, and starts flying in millions of Native Americans. Then the Native Americans declare that only Native Americans can move there. Do the people of Alabama have a legitimate grievance?

We are now off topic, btw. For the record, I do not favor the Israeli side, nor the Palestinian side. I just want the U.S. out of the mess.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

I'm glad you pointed it out.

My family has roots in Israel since 1887. But, by BDS, I'm a land thief, for the simple reason I'm Jewish. I cannot live anywhere I want in the land because they'll call me a land-thief. By world view, the Palestinian is my victim, even though our starting point was one and the same, but he will be "legitimate" in the eyes of the Anti-Zionist, while I will be an "occupier".

Just ask Tinmore. That is what so twisted in the eye of the Anti-Zionist.

For the record, I wish a time will come when we can live peacefully. But I don't know if I will live to see it. Hopefully I will.

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887. Why are they no longer the majority?

Ha ha ha. Only an Internet jihadi scumbag antisemite would call a Jew who's decedants have lived in Israel since 150 years ago "a land theif".

The Muslim barbarians who invaded Israel many times are the land thieves, or did you forget? How else did Islam arrive in Israel. Moreover I already showed you many times that Jews maintained a presence throughout the Ottoman Empire as far back as the 1500's and even before. In fact the REAL numbers clearly show that in the late1800's the Jews were a majority in Jerusalem and several other cities.

So eat shit and don't insult other people's ancestors, asshole. Which is a violation of the board rules to begin with. They had every right to be in their ancestral, religious and cultural homeland, and they stole nobody's land.

Oh shut up, punk. The European's ancestral home is in Europe. There were a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850. Your people are land thieves and colonists.

From the people that were trying to impose the Balfour Declaration, why would they lie?

AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

 

[Shusha]

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887.

Ah. So, if you're Jewish and your family has been here since the 1850's you are a land thief. But if you are Christian or Arab and your family has been here since the 1850's, you are the rightful owners of the place. Nope, no antisemitism going on here.

 

[Roudy]

You are missing my point. No, they are not. You know why? Because the Japanese never got it in their heads that Korea and Korean culture is actually theirs. They did not try to usurp Korean historical and religious narratives and sites. They recognized themselves as invaders and so did the rest of the world. So when the Korean people liberated themselves from their invaders, the wrong was righted.

The equivalent in the context of the Arab/Israel debate is that there are no such thing as Koreans, that Koreans were all destroyed 2000 years ago. And that the true Koreans are the Japanese.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

You want to put it in context? Okay, suppose tomorrow the UN tells Alabama they're going to make it a Native American state ruled by Native Americans, and starts flying in millions of Native Americans. Then the Native Americans declare that only Native Americans can move there. Do the people of Alabama have a legitimate grievance?

We are now off topic, btw. For the record, I do not favor the Israeli side, nor the Palestinian side. I just want the U.S. out of the mess.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

I'm glad you pointed it out.

My family has roots in Israel since 1887. But, by BDS, I'm a land thief, for the simple reason I'm Jewish. I cannot live anywhere I want in the land because they'll call me a land-thief. By world view, the Palestinian is my victim, even though our starting point was one and the same, but he will be "legitimate" in the eyes of the Anti-Zionist, while I will be an "occupier".

Just ask Tinmore. That is what so twisted in the eye of the Anti-Zionist.

For the record, I wish a time will come when we can live peacefully. But I don't know if I will live to see it. Hopefully I will.

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887. Why are they no longer the majority?

Ha ha ha. Only an Internet jihadi scumbag antisemite would call a Jew who's decedants have lived in Israel since 150 years ago "a land theif".

The Muslim barbarians who invaded Israel many times are the land thieves, or did you forget? How else did Islam arrive in Israel. Moreover I already showed you many times that Jews maintained a presence throughout the Ottoman Empire as far back as the 1500's and even before. In fact the REAL numbers clearly show that in the late1800's the Jews were a majority in Jerusalem and several other cities.

So eat shit and don't insult other people's ancestors, asshole. Which is a violation of the board rules to begin with. They had every right to be in their ancestral, religious and cultural homeland, and they stole nobody's land.

Oh shut up, punk. The European's ancestral home is in Europe. There were a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850. Your people are land thieves and colonists.

From the people that were trying to impose the Balfour Declaration, why would they lie?

AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Ha ha ha. Is THAT your idea of a count?

How many were there? Um lemme see, ya, only a "handful." And it wasn't referring to individual cities, like Jerusalem.

And then there's the Ottoman census and coroborated by several other sources such as the Catholic Church which had counts of actual tax payers, schools, hospitals, etc. and breakdowns by ethnicity and religion, and it showed that Jerusalem had a majority of Jews in the late 1800's.

So again, you're fulla shit.

 

[montelatici]

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887.

Ah. So, if you're Jewish and your family has been here since the 1850's you are a land thief. But if you are Christian or Arab and your family has been here since the 1850's, you are the rightful owners of the place. Nope, no antisemitism going on here.

The Christians had been there since the time of Christ. Their ancestors were the first Christians.

 

[montelatici]

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

You want to put it in context? Okay, suppose tomorrow the UN tells Alabama they're going to make it a Native American state ruled by Native Americans, and starts flying in millions of Native Americans. Then the Native Americans declare that only Native Americans can move there. Do the people of Alabama have a legitimate grievance?

We are now off topic, btw. For the record, I do not favor the Israeli side, nor the Palestinian side. I just want the U.S. out of the mess.

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

I'm glad you pointed it out.

My family has roots in Israel since 1887. But, by BDS, I'm a land thief, for the simple reason I'm Jewish. I cannot live anywhere I want in the land because they'll call me a land-thief. By world view, the Palestinian is my victim, even though our starting point was one and the same, but he will be "legitimate" in the eyes of the Anti-Zionist, while I will be an "occupier".

Just ask Tinmore. That is what so twisted in the eye of the Anti-Zionist.

For the record, I wish a time will come when we can live peacefully. But I don't know if I will live to see it. Hopefully I will.

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887. Why are they no longer the majority?

Ha ha ha. Only an Internet jihadi scumbag antisemite would call a Jew who's decedants have lived in Israel since 150 years ago "a land theif".

The Muslim barbarians who invaded Israel many times are the land thieves, or did you forget? How else did Islam arrive in Israel. Moreover I already showed you many times that Jews maintained a presence throughout the Ottoman Empire as far back as the 1500's and even before. In fact the REAL numbers clearly show that in the late1800's the Jews were a majority in Jerusalem and several other cities.

So eat shit and don't insult other people's ancestors, asshole. Which is a violation of the board rules to begin with. They had every right to be in their ancestral, religious and cultural homeland, and they stole nobody's land.

Oh shut up, punk. The European's ancestral home is in Europe. There were a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850. Your people are land thieves and colonists.

From the people that were trying to impose the Balfour Declaration, why would they lie?

AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Ha ha ha. Is THAT your idea of a count?

How many were there? Um lemme see, ya, only a "handful." And it wasn't referring to individual cities, like Jerusalem.

And then there's the Ottoman census and coroborated by several other sources such as the Catholic Church which had counts of actual tax payers, schools, hospitals, etc. and breakdowns by ethnicity and religion, and it showed that Jerusalem had a majority of Jews in the late 1800's.

So again, you're fulla shit.

As usual you make things up. I have access to all the Ottoman censi of the late 19th century.

Here you go:

There were 3,994 female Jews and 4,117 male Jews in the whole of Palestine almost all in Jerusalem. No Jews at all in Gaza. This is on pages 144 and 145. Read it yourself online you lying idiot. You see, Hasbara propaganda can be debunked instantly with online access to the source documents you cite. You have never seen nor read any Ottoman census data, you have read Hasbara propaganda falsely citing the Ottoman Census thinking that no one would bother to find the source documentation.

Review on JSTOR

 

[Roudy]

The people living there before the UN created Israel were not "invaders."

I'm glad you pointed it out.

My family has roots in Israel since 1887. But, by BDS, I'm a land thief, for the simple reason I'm Jewish. I cannot live anywhere I want in the land because they'll call me a land-thief. By world view, the Palestinian is my victim, even though our starting point was one and the same, but he will be "legitimate" in the eyes of the Anti-Zionist, while I will be an "occupier".

Just ask Tinmore. That is what so twisted in the eye of the Anti-Zionist.

For the record, I wish a time will come when we can live peacefully. But I don't know if I will live to see it. Hopefully I will.

Of course you are a land thief, or more accurately, a descendant of land thieves. The overwhelming majority of the people in what is now Israel were Muslims and Christians in 1887. Why are they no longer the majority?

Ha ha ha. Only an Internet jihadi scumbag antisemite would call a Jew who's decedants have lived in Israel since 150 years ago "a land theif".

The Muslim barbarians who invaded Israel many times are the land thieves, or did you forget? How else did Islam arrive in Israel. Moreover I already showed you many times that Jews maintained a presence throughout the Ottoman Empire as far back as the 1500's and even before. In fact the REAL numbers clearly show that in the late1800's the Jews were a majority in Jerusalem and several other cities.

So eat shit and don't insult other people's ancestors, asshole. Which is a violation of the board rules to begin with. They had every right to be in their ancestral, religious and cultural homeland, and they stole nobody's land.

Oh shut up, punk. The European's ancestral home is in Europe. There were a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850. Your people are land thieves and colonists.

From the people that were trying to impose the Balfour Declaration, why would they lie?

AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Ha ha ha. Is THAT your idea of a count?

How many were there? Um lemme see, ya, only a "handful." And it wasn't referring to individual cities, like Jerusalem.

And then there's the Ottoman census and coroborated by several other sources such as the Catholic Church which had counts of actual tax payers, schools, hospitals, etc. and breakdowns by ethnicity and religion, and it showed that Jerusalem had a majority of Jews in the late 1800's.

So again, you're fulla shit.

As usual you make things up. I have access to all the Ottoman censi of the late 19th century.

Here you go:

View attachment 136276

There were 3,994 female Jews and 4,117 male Jews in the whole of Palestine almost all in Jerusalem. No Jews at all in Gaza. This is on pages 144 and 145. Read it yourself online you lying idiot. You see, Hasbara propaganda can be debunked instantly with online access to the source documents you cite. You have never seen nor read any Ottoman census data, you have read Hasbara propaganda falsely citing the Ottoman Census thinking that no one would bother to find the source documentation.

Review on JSTOR

Nah, you're just a mentally ill antisemtic dirtbag who's always fulla shit:

Jerusalem had become the largest city in Palestine and the political and cultural center of the country at the end of the Ottoman era, on the eve of World War I.48 Much scholarship on the subject reveals the difficulties in trying to establish definitive population estimates for this period. The Ottoman census figures of 1905 reveal a total of 32,400 Ottoman nationals in Jerusalem: 13,400 Jews, 11,000 Muslims, and 8,000 Christians.49 However, these numbers do not reflect those with foreign nationality living in the city which more than likely would raise the numbers of Jews and Christians.50
Jewish sources for this year contend a much higher number, including one estimating 50,000 Jews in a total population of 75,000.51 The Ottoman sources for 1914 for the entire Qada' of Jerusalem, give the number of Jewish citizens to be 18,190.52 A historian that has examined innumerable sources on the demography of the city at this time and concludes that:

"In 1917, Colonel Zaki Bey, head of the Jerusalem Wheat Syndicate, reported to Jamal Pasha that Jerusalem had 31,147 Jews in an overall population of 53,410. These figures were based on birth certificates and police records; their accuracy is proven by the first compre- hensive census in Jerusalem, made by the British in 1922. This census showed a general population of 62,000, including 34,300 Jews. 53"

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Arieh’s estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

"The total number of new homeowners amounts to 111. Of these, 56 are Jews, 27 Christians and 27 Muslims; and [one must also count] the municipality, which has put up a building with the revenue collected from all the city’s residents. "

http://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

 

[Roudy]

Like I have said before, Jews have been coming back to their holy land for 2000 years. Despite the many invasions and expulsions, Israel has always been with them. The migration during the Ottoman Empire in the 1400's and 1500's laid the foundation and seeds of Zionism and Jewish return and reestablishment of the state of Israel:

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY Overview d Ottoman Empire

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY: Overview


In the period after the Expulsion, some exiles made their way to Egypt, Syria and the Holy Land. Their numbers were small, though, because these areas were held by the Mamlukes, and were quite inhospitable places for settlement. This changed, however, in 1516-1517, with the Ottoman conquest of these territories. Exiles, descendants of exiles and conversos began making their way to ancient Jewish communities in the east: Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt, Damascus, Halab and Beirut in Syria, and Jerusalem and Safed in Eretz Israel. In a colorful and probably exaggerated account from 1517-1523, an Ashkenazic author writes as follows:

“In the time of the great Rabbi Ovadia [of Bertinora] the prayers were said according to the rite of the Mustarabim [indigenous Jews] who follow Maimonides in matters of custom and law. But now that the Sephardim have been added to the population, they have practically eliminated every other usage, and they do as they please. Three of the cantors are Sephardim and one is Mustarab, and each does as he pleases.”

We have especially good data on the growth of Sephardic settlement in Safed in the sixteenth century, the period of this community’s great material and spiritual flowering. Turkish tax records show that in 1525 there were some 48 European (probably Spanish-Jewish) families in Safed; by 1555 there were 143 Portuguese-Jewish and 324 Spanish-Jewish households. Incidentally, this data illustrates that the movement of Iberian Jews through the Mediterranean was an extended one that continued for many years after the expulsion.

 

[Roudy]

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm

 

[montelatici]

I provide the source document and you provide third party nonsense. You lose. Give it up.

 

[Roudy]

I quoted several valid stats with specific details and official sources, and coroborated it with other official sources and organizations at the time.

Your so called "source" is an irrelvant document who's purpose had nothing to do with population demographics, that said "only a handful". Ha ha ha!

Only a moron would use that quote as a valid source for population statistics.

 

[montelatici]

I posted the actual Ottoman census which confirmed that the first report of the Mandatory was correct when it asserted that there only a handful of Jews in Palestine. You posted third and fourth party religious of propaganda sources. It doesn't take much to debunk your pages of bullshit. To repeat:

There were 3,994 female Jews and 4,117 male Jews in the whole of Palestine almost all in Jerusalem. No Jews at all in Gaza. This is on pages 144 and 145 of the census report available online by clicking on the link below. See how easy it is to make you look foolish?

Review on JSTOR

 

[Roudy]

I posted the actual Ottoman census which confirmed that the first report of the Mandatory was correct when it asserted that there only a handful of Jews in Palestine. You posted third and fourth party religious of propaganda sources. It doesn't take much to debunk your pages of bullshit. To repeat:

There were 3,994 female Jews and 4,117 male Jews in the whole of Palestine almost all in Jerusalem. No Jews at all in Gaza. This is on pages 144 and 145 of the census report available online by clicking on the link below. See how easy it is to make you look foolish?

Review on JSTOR

Third party work by a Muslim propagandist. You lose.

Reviewed Work: Ottoman Population, 1830–1914: Demographic and Social Characteristicsby Kemal H. Karpat

 

[Shusha]

The Christians had been there since the time of Christ. Their ancestors were the first Christians.

You just erase the Jewish people as though they didn't exist. Its disingenuous, if I'm being kind. Hateful, in truth.

The Jewish people had been there for a thousand years before the time of JC. The ancestors of the Christians were the Jewish people. Stop erasing us.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Christians had been there since the time of Christ. Their ancestors were the first Christians.

You just erase the Jewish people as though they didn't exist. Its disingenuous, if I'm being kind. Hateful, in truth.

The Jewish people had been there for a thousand years before the time of JC. The ancestors of the Christians were the Jewish people. Stop erasing us.

Reminds me of Sherri, that hateful woman. She also completely erased the entire Old Testament from the Bible.