Who gets the blame for breaking our 250 year old experiment with democracy?

[Correll]

Not since FDR.

So, when you talk shit about racism, in support of anti-white discrimination,


what are you doing then?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

the FACT is that in Virginia the state democrats ignored the Virginia Constitution when they selected the means to vote for redistricting and the dems want illegal actions to prevail because it helps them.

 

[berg80]

That is a well crafted assertion.

The way you stated it, all you need to support your claim, is ONE ACT of anti-black discrimination, in a nation of over 300 million people.


That is a great "bar" to set for yourself.


Meanwhile, everyone over here, in the real world, who are not racist shit talkers?


WE know that the various systems set into place, to discrimination in faovr of blacks to supposedly "remedy centuries of discrimination",

have for 70 years now, been massive and universially discriminating against whites in favor of blacks (and browns).

So, we can now see that that was a big ******* mistake.


WE, white people, took a huge hit, and suffered for generations,


and for what?

For ungrateful assholes, who are demanding more and more and are never satisfied.

**** THAT.


Time to end it. Time to punish those that support it.

Allow me to cut through your bullshit by noting no president in US history has ever enlisted the help of R controlled state legislatures to rig a national election. Something that goes hand in hand with trump's attempt to steal the 2020 election. Fundamentally, he doesn't think the majority has a right to decide elections if the result goes against him or his interests.

 

[Muhammed]

MAGA exists within their own, separate informational/cultural ecosystem.

You're projecting, Mac.

 

[Correll]

Allow me to cut through your bullshit by noting no president in US history has ever enlisted the help of R controlled state legislatures to rig a national election. Something that goes hand in hand with trump's attempt to steal the 2020 election. Fundamentally, he doesn't think the majority has a right to decide elections if the result goes against him or his interests.

Gore wanting SELECTIVE RECOUNTS, was clearly an attempt to steal the election.

For one example.

YOu are a liar.

 

[dblack]

It was broken from the beginning. Plurality elections divide us unnecessarily.

 

[berg80]

the FACT is that in Virginia the state democrats ignored the Virginia Constitution when they selected the means to vote for redistricting and the dems want illegal actions to prevail because it helps them.

The ironic fact is that VA had adopted the practice of having an independent commission draw district maps. The majority of Virginians voted to override the commission in response to trump's anti-democratic initiative. This was followed by the VA SC controversially interpreting the state's constitution in R's, but not the majority of Virginians, favor.

 

[Nostra]

Allow me to cut through your bullshit by noting no president in US history has ever enlisted the help of R controlled state legislatures to rig a national election. Something that goes hand in hand with trump's attempt to steal the 2020 election. Fundamentally, he doesn't think the majority has a right to decide elections if the result goes against him or his interests.

Your support of racism is noted.

 

[Nostra]

The ironic fact is that VA had adopted the practice of having an independent commission draw district maps. The majority of Virginians voted to override the commission in response to trump's anti-democratic initiative. This was followed by the VA SC controversially interpreting the state's constitution in R's, but not the majority of Virginians, favor.

Ir was a clear violation of the VA Constitution, Simp.

Tell your Cult to stop violating Constitutions.

 

[berg80]

Gore wanting SELECTIVE RECOUNTS, was clearly an attempt to steal the election.

For one example.

YOu are a liar.

Wanting to get to accurate vote counts by recounts of disputed ballots is not attempting to steal an election. Stealing an election is what the SC did when it took stopped the recount process and handed the election to Bush.

Allow me to cut through your bullshit by noting no president in US history has ever enlisted the help of R controlled state legislatures to rig a national election.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The ironic fact is that VA had adopted the practice of having an independent commission draw district maps. The majority of Virginians voted to override the commission in response to trump's anti-democratic initiative. This was followed by the VA SC controversially interpreting the state's constitution in R's, but not the majority of Virginians, favor.

the dems ignored the very document that establishes the democracy of the State, and you support their lawless attempt to break the Constitution. Talk about illegal and contempt for Democracy.

 

[Mac-7]

I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA. The recent ruling effectively nullifying Sec. 2 of the law, having unleashed a rush by southern states to gerrymander districts with minority representation out of existence. But R gerrymandering was already well on its way before the Court decided to once again legislate from the bench.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders​

In a 6-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court kneecapped the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that restricted racial gerrymandering and racial discrimination in voting for sixty years.

Writing for the majority in Callais v. Louisiana, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that the court was not striking down Section 2 of the VRA, but rather “properly” interpreting it as “impos[ing] liability only when circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.”

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that “eviscerate the law.”

The ruling effectively invalidates Section 2 of the VRA as it has been understood for four decades without explicitly striking down the statute. It now will require proof of intentional discrimination — something Congress did not write into the law and that’s extremely difficult for plaintiffs to show.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that "eviscerate the law."

www.democracydocket.com

To be sure, both D's and R's have engaged in the ugly practice of gerrymandering throughout our history. Boiled down to its essence, it is and always has been a perversion of a representative democracy. Which is why Dem's tried to pass legislation mandating that independent commissions draw district maps in the future. R's rejected the idea. We're coming to understand why.

AI Overview

H.R. 1 (the For the People Act) and subsequent legislation like the Redistricting Reform Act of 2025 aim to eliminate partisan gerrymandering by requiring all states to use 15-member independent redistricting commissions (IRCs) to draw congressional maps.

So, it appears the hands down winner in causing an unprecedented number of R controlled states to enact legislation allowing for mid-cycle redistricting (which normally happens every 10 years following the census), and the consequent reaction by Dem controlled states to the aforementioned perversion, is.........well........it goes without saying. Of note, R's have typically used their control of state legislatures in order to permit the gerrymandering while D's have sought the input of the people by passing referendums. The VA Supreme Court having taken away the right of majority rule after the people voted to allow for new maps to be drawn.

trump has expressed concern he will be impeached again if the D's take the House in the fall. Then there's the matter of the House holding hearings and using its constitutional authority of oversight (something the R's have abdicated) that also has to be concerning for Don. Though two years isn't nearly long enough to hold the regime to account for all its abuses. Which explains his motivation for trying to rig the midterms in the R's favor. To be clear, rigging the election on a national scale is exactly what he's trying to do. It's an abomination like no other in our history.

But while he is responsible for trying to put another nail in democracy's coffin, is he to blame for the success to date? Or are the R's in control of state legislatures and governor's mansions really to blame? They could have stood up for the principles on which the country was founded like the seven state reps in Indiana did. The ones targeted by trump for being primaried out of office. Nothing prevented Greg Abbott from telling trump he could not in good conscience do what he was being asked. R legislative leaders could have refused to participate in an anti-democratic scheme they knew to be wrong. Voters in IN could have shown their support for the reps who so obviously did the right thing.

The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.

Black majority-minority congressional districts are racist and unconstitutional

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wanting to get to accurate vote counts by recounts of disputed ballots is not attempting to steal an election. Stealing an election is what the SC did when it took stopped the recount process and handed the election to Bush.

7 to 2 decision by the supreme Court in that case determined that what Gore wanted was illegal. Gore further tried to claim that any ballot not marked for Bush with no clear mark for Gore should be counted for him. You support illegal activity when it benefits the dems.

 

[berg80]

the dems ignored the very document that establishes the democracy of the State,

That was an opinion of the court's. Had the makeup of the court's majority been different the ruling could have gone the other way.

 

[braalian]

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You do realize that, except for Massachusetts, most of those states only have 1 or 2 congressional districts, right?

Literally impossible to gerrymander…..

 

[Nostra]

Wanting to get to accurate vote counts by recounts of disputed ballots is not attempting to steal an election. Stealing an election is what the SC did when it took stopped the recount process and handed the election to Bush.

Allow me to cut through your bullshit by noting no president in US history has ever enlisted the help of R controlled state legislatures to rig a national election.

If Owlgore wanted accuracy, why didn’t he ask for a statewide recount? Instead, he requested a recount in only 4 heavily Dimtard districts.


Hmmmmmm……

 

[berg80]

7 to 2 decision by the supreme Court in that case determined that what Gore wanted was illegal. Gore further tried to claim that any ballot not marked for Bush with no clear mark for Gore should be counted for him. You support illegal activity when it benefits the dems.

AI Overview

Retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor expressed misgivings about the Supreme Court's involvement in the 2000 Bush v. Gore case, stating in 2013 that the court "probably added to the problem" by taking the case and that it gave the Court "a less than perfect reputation."

The Court should have left it for the FL courts to decide. But Bush was its favored candidate so.............

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That was an opinion of the court's. Had the makeup of the court's majority been different the ruling could have gone the other way.

the FACTS are plain as day they did not do what the Constitution required numbnuts. Here you are twice defending illegal action by democrats claiming their illegal activity was ok.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

AI Overview

Retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor expressed misgivings about the Supreme Court's involvement in the 2000 Bush v. Gore case, stating in 2013 that the court "probably added to the problem" by taking the case and that it gave the Court "a less than perfect reputation."

The Court should have left it for the FL courts to decide. But Bush was its favored candidate so.............

the partisan Florida Court? Again 7 to 2 judgement by the supreme Court, are you claiming it was a republican court in 2000?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders

This the culmination of more than 50 years of conservatives’ efforts to undermine democracy and establish the tyranny of Republican minority rule.

Conservatives would say that they didn’t destroy our 250 year old experiment with democracy, rather that America was never a democracy.