Who gets the blame for breaking our 250 year old experiment with democracy?

[berg80]

Democrats have long failed to understand that "You MAY NOT discriminate on the basis of race," does NOT mean, "You MUST discriminate on the basis of race." It's just that simple. Race should play no part in the process. If it does, that is a violation of the 14th Amendment.

Those are just words on a message board. In the real world blacks are being discriminated against with the blessing of the conservatives on the SCOTUS.

 

[DonGlock26]

 

[Correll]

Yes, that's well understood.

You may not be interested on the focus on race, but I assure you R controlled legislatures in the south are very interested.

Let me ask you something. DO you give a **** about the republican voters in the new england states, that are FORTY ******* PERCENT OF THE POPULATION

and have ZERO representation?

 

[Correll]

Those are just words on a message board. In the real world blacks are being discriminated against with the blessing of the conservatives on the SCOTUS.

NOT being pandered to, or given stuff for free,


is not discrimination.

It is equality.

Go **** yourself.

 

[berg80]

It is our turn.

You've gotta be kidding me. Many tears have fallen and blood spilled to wrest control from racists like yourself. You had your day and it was horrific. Now R's are trying to turn back the clock.

 

[berg80]

Let me ask you something. DO you give a ** about the republican voters in the new england states, that are FORTY ***** PERCENT OF THE POPULATION

and have ZERO representation?

I am in favor of the legislation Dem's proposed to have independent commissions draw district maps and let the chips fall where they may. Are you?

 

[Stryder50]

MAGA exists within their own, separate informational/cultural ecosystem. I'd trace it back to Limbaugh, then the conservative talk radio copycats, then FOX, then the internet.

A group that is existing within one's own, separate informational/cultural ecosystem is essentially the definition of a cult. The worst part of a cult is that its members will not leave or change based on outside input or prodding. They either open their eyes on their own, or they do not.

I recently watched a documentary on a cult whose leader was in jail for pedophilia, perpetrated on cult grounds. Many of the members still remain, and he is still leading them from his jail cell. They still adore and follow him. It was chilling.

This isn't going away soon. It will fade, but plenty of further damage can be inflicted during that process. That's just a fact of life now.

LEAVING MAGA Support Group

"Limbaugh" was the counter point to a MSM that leans strongly to the Left - D in it's selective bias of what it calls news.
The Left has it's own separate "informational/cultural ecosystem" which thinks is/should be the common normal.
I don't doubt there are similar documentaries showing extreme Leftist cults and their leaders.

 

[Correll]

You've gotta be kidding me. Many tears have fallen and blood spilled to rest control from racists like yourself. You had your day and it was horrific. Now R's are trying to turn back the clock.

Berg80. YOu are pretendign that this is, I don't know, 1966 and Jim Crow was just repealed last year and we are fighting to return to it.

YOu are ignoring 70 ******* years of us pandering to and discriminating IN FAVOR OF THE BLACKS.

More and more whites are agreeing with me, that we are done with that shit.

Please keep being a completely dishonest lying asshole about it.

It is helping turn the young white people against you.

I want to BURN DOWN EVERYTHING that was built, to do that shit.

The more of a complete asshole you are, the more you will help, me/us do that.

 

[Correll]

I am in favor of the legislation Dem's proposed to have independent commissions draw district maps and let the chips fall where they may. Are you?

Start with YOUR states,

and even then, we got a turn coming. Indeed, you owe us serveral that you stole from us.


Talk to me after we course correct for generations of anti-white discrmimation,

and I will be open to discuss it then.


Check back in twenty years.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I suppose one could make the argument the conservatives on the SC get the nod for gutting the VRA. The recent ruling effectively nullifying Sec. 2 of the law, having unleashed a rush by southern states to gerrymander districts with minority representation out of existence. But R gerrymandering was already well on its way before the Court decided to once again legislate from the bench.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders​

In a 6-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court kneecapped the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that restricted racial gerrymandering and racial discrimination in voting for sixty years.

Writing for the majority in Callais v. Louisiana, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that the court was not striking down Section 2 of the VRA, but rather “properly” interpreting it as “impos[ing] liability only when circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.”

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that “eviscerate the law.”

The ruling effectively invalidates Section 2 of the VRA as it has been understood for four decades without explicitly striking down the statute. It now will require proof of intentional discrimination — something Congress did not write into the law and that’s extremely difficult for plaintiffs to show.

Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act, greenlights GOP gerrymanders

Justice Elena Kagan, in dissent, accused the majority of making changes that "eviscerate the law."

www.democracydocket.com

To be sure, both D's and R's have engaged in the ugly practice of gerrymandering throughout our history. Boiled down to its essence, it is and always has been a perversion of a representative democracy. Which is why Dem's tried to pass legislation mandating that independent commissions draw district maps in the future. R's rejected the idea. We're coming to understand why.

AI Overview

H.R. 1 (the For the People Act) and subsequent legislation like the Redistricting Reform Act of 2025 aim to eliminate partisan gerrymandering by requiring all states to use 15-member independent redistricting commissions (IRCs) to draw congressional maps.

So, it appears the hands down winner in causing an unprecedented number of R controlled states to enact legislation allowing for mid-cycle redistricting (which normally happens every 10 years following the census), and the consequent reaction by Dem controlled states to the aforementioned perversion, is.........well........it goes without saying. Of note, R's have typically used their control of state legislatures in order to permit the gerrymandering while D's have sought the input of the people by passing referendums. The VA Supreme Court having taken away the right of majority rule after the people voted to allow for new maps to be drawn.

trump has expressed concern he will be impeached again if the D's take the House in the fall. Then there's the matter of the House holding hearings and using its constitutional authority of oversight (something the R's have abdicated) that also has to be concerning for Don. Though two years isn't nearly long enough to hold the regime to account for all its abuses. Which explains his motivation for trying to rig the midterms in the R's favor. To be clear, rigging the election on a national scale is exactly what he's trying to do. It's an abomination like no other in our history.

But while he is responsible for trying to put another nail in democracy's coffin, is he to blame for the success to date? Or are the R's in control of state legislatures and governor's mansions really to blame? They could have stood up for the principles on which the country was founded like the seven state reps in Indiana did. The ones targeted by trump for being primaried out of office. Nothing prevented Greg Abbott from telling trump he could not in good conscience do what he was being asked. R legislative leaders could have refused to participate in an anti-democratic scheme they knew to be wrong. Voters in IN could have shown their support for the reps who so obviously did the right thing.

The point being trump is powerless without his enablers. He only gets to lead the country down this path if enough people follow. The existential question for the times is how to get them to stop following.

As long as Trump is winning winning winning .. I'm good with following.

Democrats are on the wrong side of most issues these days .. as always .. reduced to sabotage, lawlessness, wasteful spending constant failure and those pathetic excuses.

Yup .. I'm thinkin it sucks to be a laughing stock democrat these days..

 

[berg80]

Let me ask you something. DO you give a ** about the republican voters in the new england states, that are FORTY ***** PERCENT OF THE POPULATION

and have ZERO representation?

As states like Texas and California work to redraw congressional maps in favor of one political party or another, some politicians are turning the spotlight on Massachusetts.

Is there gerrymandering in Massachusetts? ​

We've been hearing claims that Massachusetts is an example of partisan redistricting because there are no Republicans in our congressional delegation, most notably from President Trump, who said recently, "I got 40 percent in Massachusetts, and yet they have 100 percent of the vote in terms of Congress. So there's no Republican, there's no anything. We should have 40 percent. You know why? They redistricted."

Fact check: False.

"He's wrong because Massachusetts is a great example of how geography is part of the story," said University of Chicago Professor Moon Duchin, an expert on redistricting who has studied the lopsided Democratic dominance in the state and concluded in a scholarly paper that it is "not attributable to gerrymandering [the formal term for redistricting with partisan intent], and while there are an almost infinite number of ways to redistrict, every single one of them would produce a 9-0 Democratic delegation."

Keller: President Trump says there's gerrymandering in Massachusetts. Is he right?

As states like Texas and California work to redraw congressional maps in favor of one political party or another, some politicians say Massachusetts is an example of partisan redistricting

www.cbsnews.com

GFY.

 

[berg80]

Democrats are on the wrong side of most issues these days

That opinion is not shared by a majority of Americans.

 

[berg80]

Start with YOUR states,

But that's the thing. It only works if all states use independent commissions. If only majority Dem states do it that gives R's an unfair advantage to cheat.

 

[Correll]

As states like Texas and California work to redraw congressional maps in favor of one political party or another, some politicians are turning the spotlight on Massachusetts.

Is there gerrymandering in Massachusetts? ​

We've been hearing claims that Massachusetts is an example of partisan redistricting because there are no Republicans in our congressional delegation, most notably from President Trump, who said recently, "I got 40 percent in Massachusetts, and yet they have 100 percent of the vote in terms of Congress. So there's no Republican, there's no anything. We should have 40 percent. You know why? They redistricted."

Fact check: False.

"He's wrong because Massachusetts is a great example of how geography is part of the story," said University of Chicago Professor Moon Duchin, an expert on redistricting who has studied the lopsided Democratic dominance in the state and concluded in a scholarly paper that it is "not attributable to gerrymandering [the formal term for redistricting with partisan intent], and while there are an almost infinite number of ways to redistrict, every single one of them would produce a 9-0 Democratic delegation."

Keller: President Trump says there's gerrymandering in Massachusetts. Is he right?

As states like Texas and California work to redraw congressional maps in favor of one political party or another, some politicians say Massachusetts is an example of partisan redistricting

www.cbsnews.com

GFY.

You made a point about BLACK representation, like it was a good thing, a GOAL to have.

Yet, when WHITE REPUBLCIANS are the ones not being represented,

you support that, and attack me for even mentioning it.


So, yeah, it you don't give a **** about me and mine, but you want to sing me a sad song about YOURS.


This is what SECOND CLASS CITIZENSHIP looks like. THis is racist oppression.

It is amazing to me that it took whites this long to even START to wake up to it.

If I could travel in time, i would go back to the 60s and 70s, and slap the shit out of the political and intellectual leaders of the time.


ON WHAT GROUNDS DO YOU JUSTIFY THIS SHIT? WHERE THE **** DO YOU THINK THIS IS HEADED?

LET ME TELL YOU, OR MORE TO THE POINT, LET ME SLAP YOU OVER ADN OVER AGAIN, TILL I FEEL BETTER.

 

[Correll]

But that's the thing. It only works if all states use independent commissions. If only majority Dem states do it that gives R's an unfair advantage to cheat.

Except, I only here dems even TALK about this shit, when we have hte upper hand.

And we both know, that if the situation was reversed, you would drop the issue like a hot potatoe.

So, no, I am not open to reform.

You want reform START with your own states, and convince me of your sincerity, by taking a hit, for a couple of years.

 

[Stryder50]

I am in favor of the legislation Dem's proposed to have independent commissions draw district maps and let the chips fall where they may. Are you?

That 's a canard and pravda by the Dems.
They have no clue how to choose independents. They always choose a majority of Leftist.

 

[Lumpy 1]

That opinion is not shared by a majority of Americans.

Eh .. works for me..

 

[berg80]

YOu are ignoring 70 ******* years of us pandering to and discriminating IN FAVOR OF THE BLACKS.

You are ignoring that discrimination against blacks continues to this day regardless of attempts to remedy centuries of discrimination.

 

[berg80]

Eh .. works for me..

You are not alone among Repubs in your desire to rule from a minority status.

 

[berg80]

Except, I only here dems even TALK about this shit, when we have hte upper hand.

Do you or do you not agree that it serves the purposes of the Founder's intent to have congressional districts drawn free from partisan interests?