thereisnospoon
Gold Member
Um ... sure you would, tough guy - I was trying to warn you that YOUR HOUSE WAS ON FIRE!!!
Enjoy the ensuing BBQ!
There are laws in every state with regards to what you may or may not do in order to protect yourself. What If I were deaf? Think for a minute - think about explaining to a jury how you commanded me to "stand down" when I was trying to warn you about your burning house and you blew my head off. What If I spoke no English? Maybe I was at the wrong house and I was supposed to start work that day?
"Sorry I shot your dad, kids! He was making too much noise!"
Not my problem. It is unreasonable to expect a homeowner inside HIS home to determine whether or not a person is deaf.
However, a homeowner has a reasonable expectation of security in their home....It is also reasonable for a person located inside his home to assume a person loudly banging on his door and refusing to respond to "who is there? and what is your business?", to be a bad actor. A reasonable person has no legal obligation to open his door of HIS home to any person. Legally, the resident has a right to self preservation.
You bring up many scenarios which I perceive as you attempting to further an agenda that no one is entitled to protect life and property.
The bottom line is the possibility of a loud and repeated banging on one's door at 3 am with no response to the resident's inquiries being the start of a home invasion are far greater than a deaf guy who doesn't speak English looking for work or to report a fire.
Now, let's cut out the bullshit, shall we?
Yes, let's quit pretending that you own a firearm, because you seem to know very little about them.
I have no clue what state you are in, so I have no way to tell you why you cannot shoot someone on your porch who is not breaking into your house. You yourself might want to check the laws, because I don't believe for two seconds that your state would allow you to do that.
I gave you very valid scenarios for why you should not attempt killing someone without good cause. You might not even be allowed to shoot them inside your house - I know that breaks your heart because you are a bonafide John Wayne type, but the law has the final say - not your pop-gun.
Pretending? Please. An assumption on your part to protect a very weak argument.
The question a jury must answer in a trial is "did the reasonably believe he or she was in fear for their life or property".
To obtain a guilty verdict, the prosecution must PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant acted in an unreasonable manner.
Without being present at the time of this incident or one in the hypothetical, you cannot know the person was not trying to break into the home. Or that the homeowner was NOT reasonable in determining the person on their property was NOT trying to cause harm.
One thing is for sure, there is no such thing as "you cannot"....That's for a jury to decide.
Precisely my point in all of this. The system must be permitted to work.
Oh, in your opinion, is everyone who uses a weapon to protect their life or property a "John Wayne type"?..An actor?
You fear guns...You especially fear law abiding citizens ability to keep and bear arms. What's disturbing is you weep for the bad actors and curse those who would engage in self protection.
We're done here.