Which description is more accurate? And why it matters.

[Contumacious]

There never were any classified documents. There were papers put into the classified folders that the FBI brought with them. The case was dismissed. That's the part you can't bring yourself to comprehend. The case was dismissed.

It didn't matter whether the documents were classified or not-previous case law stated that the President had exclusive unlimited authority to deal with Presidential Documents

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.

Trump as President had the right to the material and was charged anyway, Biden as a senator when he took most of his did not have any legal right to the material and made no effort to protect it and wasnt charged. I wonder why the dems charged republican and refused to charge a democrat?

 

[marvin martian]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

The FBI panty-sniffers are going down.

 

[DonGlock26]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

Well, Wray is the man fleeing.

 

[berg80]

Either you do not know the meaning of the word “unique,” or you are just flat lying.

Not Just Trump And Biden: Every Administration Since Reagan Mishandled Classified Records, National Archives Finds

Aides to former presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush and Barack Obama had previously said the presidents did not keep classified documents.

www.forbes.com

Don’t you ever wonder why your worship of Joseph Robinette Biden causes you to have to lie so often?

How many of those prez's refused to comply with a subpoena for the return of classified docs?

 

[berg80]

There never were any classified documents. There were papers put into the classified folders that the FBI brought with them.

I supposed it was just a matter of time before one of you folks went in to full out, batshyre crazy, conspiratorial, denial mode.

 

[berg80]

Trump as President had the right to the material

Factually incorrect.

 

[berg80]

Well, Wray is the man fleeing.

I'm not sure you realize how ridiculous that deflection sounds.

 

[Seymour Flops]

.

How many of those prez's refused to comply with a subpoena for the return of classified docs?

How many were targeted by unlawfully appointed, politically charged fake Special Counsels? None, because it would have been just as absurd as when it was done to Trump.

You never did get around to why it matters as your OP promised.

Trump has four more years and the media has no more credibility which means the next pres will be a Trumper.

THAT matters.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery.

And dishonesty.

The search was perfectly lawful.

 

[DonGlock26]

I'm not sure you realize how ridiculous that deflection sounds.

The wicked flee when no man pursueth.

 

[berg80]

How many were targeted by unlawfully appointed, politically charged fake Soecial Counsels?

Targeted? That's a rhetorical smokescreen. He was investigated, found to be withholding classified docs, subpoenaed to return them, and only after failing to comply with the subpoena did the FBI seek and receive a warrant to search MAL. Everything was by the book.

So...........trump had to create a narrative by which he became the victim instead of the perpetrator of a crime. It turns the truth on its head. It does not reflect the factual record. It's nothing more than a string of deceitful talking points.

 

[berg80]

The wicked flee when no man pursueth.

The wicked say they are going to fire the FBI director without required cause. Leaving Wray a choice of resigning or being fired. How is that fleeing?

 

[berg80]

This............After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

............is an accurate accounting of what happened. "Wray invaded my house" is not.

 

[g5000]

Did the FBI raid Biden's garage?

Biden gave them permission to search his property.

Trump obstructed.

Do you finally, finally, finally understand the difference?

 

[g5000]

TRUMP WAS THE PRESDIENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU????

No, he was not. He was an ex-president.

Do you finally, finally, finally understand the difference?

 

[g5000]

Why didn't the FBI invade Biden's home when cocaine was found on the premises?

What the ever loving fuck are you on about?

Are YOU on cocaine?

 

[westwall]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

Oh, the first description is clearly the accurate one.

And yeah, it MATTERS.

That's why Wray just quit.

 

[g5000]

There were legitimate questions, legal and Constitutional, about the demand for return of documents. It is a legally tenable position that Trump implicitly declassified the documents when he had them removed from the White House. Don't forget, he did this while he was still in office, and had absolute power to declassify literally any document that he chose to declassify. And there was no need to document the declassification because Trump WAS the declassifying entity.

Had the DoJ not been compromised, they would have sued Trump for the return of the documents, and had the legitimate questions answered appropriately before anything was removed. The docs could have been securely held during the pendency of the litigation.

However, the DoJ chose to treat Trump, a former President of the United Fucking States of America, like a petty criminal.

Get it?

The classification of the documents is incidental.

They were not Trump's property. They were the property of the National Archives, and Trump deliberately obstructed the return of their property.

That was the real issue.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Targeted? That's a rhetorical smokescreen. He was investigated, found to be withholding classified docs, subpoenaed to return them, and only after failing to comply with the subpoena did the FBI seek and receive a warrant to search MAL. Everything was by the book.

So...........trump had to create a narrative by which he became the victim instead of the perpetrator of a crime. It turns the truth on its head. It does not reflect the factual record. It's nothing more than a string of deceitful talking points.

Pure spin and at this point it doesn’t matter. In spite of all the lefty whining, Trump won in a landslide.

Trump matters.

Lefty whining does not.