Which description is more accurate? And why it matters.

[Seymour Flops]

The classification of the documents is incidental.

They were not Trump's property. They were the property of the National Archives, and Trump deliberately obstructed the return of their property.

That was the real issue.

Does the presidential record attack allow a former president to keep any records at all from the White House?

The answer to that question answers all of the concerns voice by you and the OP.

 

[g5000]

No excuse to go through the First Lady's underwear at all.

Trump carelessly scattered the stolen documents all over the property, dipshit. So the entire property had to be searched.

Further, Smith is an unqualified, and unconfirmed, hack who had no business being involved.

And there is no reason to send armed FBI goons. Unarmed agents would have shown respect to Mrs. Trump.

Trump wasn't even on the property at the time of the search, dipshit. They took extra care to make sure he wasn't there.

BTW, they didn't find anything, so the FBI was wrong.

Are you stoned?

They found 13,000 stolen documents.

 

[Rawley]

Actually, it wasn't. Did you follow the sequence of events leading to the seartch? trump could have avoided having his home searched at any time during the process by returning the docs.

He did. And Biden's DOJ immediately empaneled a Grand Jury . Darkest time in the history of the FBI/DOJ

 

[g5000]

If all that is true, why did the American people, a.k.a. the ultimate jury, find him not guilty and fully fit to lead the nation?

A grand jury indicted him. Trump never went to trial.

 

[g5000]

No there weren't. I apologize for not being able to paste the entire article I used due to board rules. Here are other excerpts.

At Trump National Gold Club in Bedminster, N.J., Mr. Trump takes action that will later flag alarm among federal prosecutors. He shows off what he calls a “plan of attack” that was prepared by the Defense Department to a writer, publisher and members of his staff. He describes the plan as “highly confidential,” and acknowledges he could have declassified it as president but no longer can.

This was included in the OP.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.

Even worse, Trump had one of his lawyers sign a statement that he had turned over all of the documents.

This is why no sane person will go to work for Trump now. He has a bad habit of throwing people under the bus.

 

[Polishprince]

What the ever loving fuck are you on about?

Are YOU on cocaine?

You didn't hear about the way cocaine was found at the Biden residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Washington?

 

[g5000]

The case against Trump was so iron clad that it was dismissed by the judge.

The judge was a political hack appointed by Trump. She dismissed the case not on the facts, but claimed Smith was improperly appointed.

 

[g5000]

You didn't hear about the way cocaine was found at the Biden residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Washington?

Um...retard?

That cocaine was found in a vestibule of the West Wing.

The West Wing is not the president's residence.

So what the ever loving FUCK are you on about?

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

Good question. I'll let you pick.

1. Man-hating feminists lead the thoughts of Democrat voters.
2. The Y chromosomes in Democrat men is compromised by their party.
3. The Democrat party attracts people with weak and lazy minds.
4. Democrats are never right, and always wrong.
5. Today's Democrat party is the result of a severe dumbing down, and mass pussification.
6. The Democrats project such things as racism on their opponents.
7. Democrat women are lousy in bed as a result of too many hang-ups and twisted thinking.
8. Democrats are attracted to absurd ideas.
9. ALL of the Above

 

[g5000]

Of course it was election interference.

Nope.

The only election interference any of have seen was on January 6, 2021.

 

[g5000]

Trump's lawyers were in communication with the archivists....

And that communication from Trump was that he had returned all the documents he had.

He lied, and had one of his lawyers sign a statement which was a lie.

Thus the raid.

 

[g5000]

It didn't matter whether the documents were classified or not-previous case law stated that the President had exclusive unlimited authority to deal with Presidential Documents

No.

Wrong.

Presidential records become government property the day the President leaves office. The PRA is very clear and very plain about that fact.

A former President may request access to the records after he leaves office, for purposes of writing a memoir or whatnot. But he cannot just run off with them before turning them over to the proper owner.

At the very least, the Archives needs to document those records without the ex-president altering or destroying them first.

Trump knew this. That's why he filed a false statement he had turned over all the records he had.

He would not have signed that false statement if he was not aware of the law he was violating.

He did not sign a statement claiming he was the rightful owner. He sent a statement he had returned the documents, which he knew to be a lie.



§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

[snip]


(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.

Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)

(44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) § 2201. Definitions § 2202. Ownership of Presidential records § 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records § 2204. Restrictions on access to Presidential records § 2205. Exceptions to restricted access § 2206. Regulations § 2207. Vice-Presidential records § Note...

www.archives.gov

 

[Seymour Flops]

A grand jury indicted him. Trump never went to trial.

Conventional wisdom is that a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. In case you don’t know what that means, it means that the grand jury system is a prosecutors tool defendants have no chance of NOT being indicted.

IT IS A ONE-SIDED PRESENTATION IN WHICH THE PROSECUTORS OFTEN SAY WE CAN’T SHOW YOU ALL THE EVIDENCE RIGHT NOW, BUT TRUST US THIS INDICTMENT WILL LEAD TO A CONVICTION. LITERALLY, THEY LIED ABOUT THAT.

Sorry about the all caps, that was unintentional.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, he was not. He was an ex-president.

Do you finally, finally, finally understand the difference?

It's beautiful how much Progressive Fascists overplayed their hands and revealed themselves for the entire Country to see!

I love it!

Many people had doubts when we tried to tell them the modern democrat Party was Fascist and admired Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Thankfully, you showed them!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I have developed an excellent means of getting to the bottom of these matters. Whenever Berg offers two choices and asks us which we believe to be true, I simply choose the one he thinks is false.

I suggest others follow this same litmus test, as you will find it to be unfailingly accurate.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, he was not. He was an ex-president.

Do you finally, finally, finally understand the difference?

he took them WHILE he was PRESIDENT dumbass.

 

[jc456]

trump's home was searched after months and months of effort to get him to return the classified material. And based on the testimony given to Smith's team during his investigation indicating trump had no intention of complying with the subpoena.

he owned them. This has been discussed for years now in many other threads. They had no right to do what they did to a president. None!! fk you for any other post you may post on this topic.

 

[jc456]

I have developed an excellent means of getting to the bottom of these matters. Whenever Berg offers two choices and asks us which we believe to be true, I simply choose the one he thinks is false.

I suggest others follow this same litmus test, as you will find it to be unfailingly accurate.

I don't give him the time of day as he is seeking attention cause he's a loner.

 

[jc456]

weaponization of the fbi and DOJ is all demofks and trump remains the recipient of their illegal activity. the next four years will be very fun to watch as h

 

[Contumacious]

No.

Wrong.

Presidential records become government property the day the President leaves office. The PRA is very clear and very plain about that fact.

A former President may request access to the records after he leaves office, for purposes of writing a memoir or whatnot. But he cannot just run off with them before turning them over to the proper owner.

At the very least, the Archives needs to document those records without the ex-president altering or destroying them first.

Trump knew this. That's why he filed a false statement he had turned over all the records he had.

He would not have signed that false statement if he was not aware of the law he was violating.

He did not sign a statement claiming he was the rightful owner. He sent a statement he had returned the documents, which he knew to be a lie.



§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

[snip]


(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.

Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)

(44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) § 2201. Definitions § 2202. Ownership of Presidential records § 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records § 2204. Restrictions on access to Presidential records § 2205. Exceptions to restricted access § 2206. Regulations § 2207. Vice-Presidential records § Note...

www.archives.gov

HUH?

WTF !!!!!!!!


"The Court notes at the outset that there is broad language in Armstrong I stating that the PRA accords the President “virtually complete control” over his records during his time in office. 924 F.2d at 290. In particular, the court stated that the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: “[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records ... neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President's disposal decision.” Id., citing H.R. Rep. No. 95–1487, at 13 (1978), reprinted in 1978 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 5744. Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.


JUDICIAL WATCH, INC., Plaintiff, v. NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS…
:United States District Court, District of Columbia.
Date published: Mar 1, 2012

Citations​

845 F. Supp. 2d 288 (D.D.C. 2012)