Which description is more accurate? And why it matters.

[BackAgain]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

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Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

Verbose post ^ and largely absurd.

But at least it is partisan hackery on LSD.

 

[DonGlock26]

The wicked say they are going to fire the FBI director without required cause. Leaving Wray a choice of resigning or being fired. How is that fleeing?

There has been plenty of wrongdoing by the FBI.

FBI Apologizes To Court For Mishandling Surveillance Of Trump Campaign Adviser​

FBI Apologizes To Court For Mishandling Surveillance Of Trump Campaign Adviser

FBI Director Christopher Wray outlined steps the bureau is taking to ensure it doesn't make the same mistakes it did when it wiretapped Carter Page during the 2016 election.

www.npr.org

 

[Seymour Flops]

There has been plenty of wrongdoing by the FBI.

Since the beginning of their existence. Summary executions of criminals instead of capture in the 30s, trying to force Martin Luther King to commit suicide, and countless other anti-American activities.

 

[BackAgain]

Since the beginning of their existence. Summary executions of criminals instead of capture in the 30s, trying to force Martin Luther King to commit suicide, and countless other anti-American activities.

Sad but true.

 

[Nobody911]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

Similar Incidents Involving Biden and Other Former presidents

Both President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump have faced scrutiny regarding their handling of classified documents, but the circumstances and legal outcomes differ significantly.

Joe Biden's Situation:

1. Discovery of Classified Documents: Classified documents were found at Biden's home and at a think tank office he previously used. The FBI conducted searches, and Biden cooperated with investigators, allowing them access to his properties for thorough searches.

2. Legal Outcome: After a year-long investigation, Special Counsel Robert Hur decided not to charge Biden, citing instances of "poor memory" and a lack of intent to mishandle the documents. The investigation concluded that Biden's actions did not warrant criminal charges.

Comparison with Donald Trump:

1. Improper Retention of Documents: Trump is accused of improperly taking hundreds of classified documents to his Mar-a-Lago estate after leaving office. Unlike Biden, Trump has faced criminal indictments related to the mishandling of these documents, which include allegations of obstruction of justice and willful retention of national defense information.

2. Cooperation with Authorities: While Biden cooperated with investigators, Trump's response has been more contentious, with claims of political motivation behind the FBI's actions against him. This difference in cooperation has influenced the legal outcomes for both individuals.

Other Former Presidents: While there have been instances of former presidents mishandling documents, such as Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, these cases did not lead to the same level of scrutiny or legal consequences as those faced by Trump and Biden. The handling of classified materials has historically been a sensitive issue, but the current political climate has intensified the focus on these incidents.

==> Poor memory and lack of intent? Those secret documents seemed to have wings, flying out of the White House and then moving to Biden's home and the think tank office. lol. Special Counsel Robert Hur is also a problem!

Sources :

FBI finds more classified documents in 13-hour search of Biden home

The Biden White House has been criticized for how it has handled the discovery of classified records in private locations used by Joe Biden.

www.cnbc.com

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www.npr.org

 

[blackhawk]

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Similar Incidents Involving Biden and Other Former presidents

Both President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump have faced scrutiny regarding their handling of classified documents, but the circumstances and legal outcomes differ significantly.

Joe Biden's Situation:

1. Discovery of Classified Documents: Classified documents were found at Biden's home and at a think tank office he previously used. The FBI conducted searches, and Biden cooperated with investigators, allowing them access to his properties for thorough searches.

2. Legal Outcome: After a year-long investigation, Special Counsel Robert Hur decided not to charge Biden, citing instances of "poor memory" and a lack of intent to mishandle the documents. The investigation concluded that Biden's actions did not warrant criminal charges.

Comparison with Donald Trump:

1. Improper Retention of Documents: Trump is accused of improperly taking hundreds of classified documents to his Mar-a-Lago estate after leaving office. Unlike Biden, Trump has faced criminal indictments related to the mishandling of these documents, which include allegations of obstruction of justice and willful retention of national defense information.

2. Cooperation with Authorities: While Biden cooperated with investigators, Trump's response has been more contentious, with claims of political motivation behind the FBI's actions against him. This difference in cooperation has influenced the legal outcomes for both individuals.

Other Former Presidents: While there have been instances of former presidents mishandling documents, such as Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, these cases did not lead to the same level of scrutiny or legal consequences as those faced by Trump and Biden. The handling of classified materials has historically been a sensitive issue, but the current political climate has intensified the focus on these incidents.

==> Poor memory and lack of intent? Those secret documents seemed to have wings, flying out of the White House and then moving to Biden's home and the think tank office. lol. Special Counsel Robert Hur is also a problem!

Sources :

FBI finds more classified documents in 13-hour search of Biden home

The Biden White House has been criticized for how it has handled the discovery of classified records in private locations used by Joe Biden.

www.cnbc.com

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www.npr.org

Democrats didn't even fake it. Well, they kind of did, in a way. They turned the justice system against Trump, it's that simple. How about that impeachment, by coincidence. Trump impeached because he floated a suggestion to Ukraine. Biden openly threatened to withhold billions from Ukraine unless they served his interests...................Then the Democrats elected him POTUS.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Targeted? That's a rhetorical smokescreen. He was investigated, found to be withholding classified docs, subpoenaed to return them, and only after failing to comply with the subpoena did the FBI seek and receive a warrant to search MAL. Everything was by the book.

So...........trump had to create a narrative by which he became the victim instead of the perpetrator of a crime. It turns the truth on its head. It does not reflect the factual record. It's nothing more than a string of deceitful talking points.

This is what is known as a kangaroo court.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Still haven't seen the part about "why it matters."

berg80 ???

 

[berg80]

There has been plenty of wrongdoing by the FBI.

Not in the way trump has lied about. trump is the one who has committed crimes against the state yet he has demonized everyone who doesn't look the other way.

 

[Lesh]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

Here’s an idea.

Don’t steal stuff and your home won’t get searched to recover it.

Novel concept huh?

 

[berg80]

They turned the justice system against Trump, it's that simple.

trump was indicted by multiple grand juries in multiple jurisdictions based on evidence of his criminality.
Many criminals profess their innocence. trump did it in ways hardly anyone else can. With an enormous megaphone of his own and with the help of right wing media. He accused the justice system of bias so many times people forgot there was no evidence of it. Only a system working as it was designed to work by responding to criminal activity.

 

[DonGlock26]

Not in the way trump has lied about. trump is the one who has committed crimes against the state yet he has demonized everyone who doesn't look the other way.

Let's just see what the grand juries and special counsels find.

 

[berg80]

There has been plenty of wrongdoing by the FBI.

Two things can be true at the same time. The FBI can have made mistakes without every accusation made about them by trump being true.

You would have me believe the act of enforcing the law is by its nature corrupt if it's being enforced with respect to crimes trump has been indicted for. Do you see how illogical that argument is?

 

[jc456]

Targeted? That's a rhetorical smokescreen. He was investigated, found to be withholding classified docs, subpoenaed to return them, and only after failing to comply with the subpoena did the FBI seek and receive a warrant to search MAL. Everything was by the book.

So...........trump had to create a narrative by which he became the victim instead of the perpetrator of a crime. It turns the truth on its head. It does not reflect the factual record. It's nothing more than a string of deceitful talking points.

fake news. FAKE, FAKE, FAKE.......... again explained in many other threads back when it was first announced. No go fk off.

 

[DonGlock26]

Two things can be true at the same time. The FBI can have made mistakes without every accusation made about them by trump being true.

You would have me believe the act of enforcing the law is by its nature corrupt if it's being enforced with respect to crimes trump has been indicted for. Do you see how illogical that argument is?

I'd have you wait to see what investigations and grand juries find.

 

[berg80]

Let's just see what the grand juries and special counsels find.

Would you agree there needs to be a predicate that a crime has been committed before an investigation is launched? What crime has been alleged against any of trump's political enemies?

 

[berg80]

fake news. FAKE, FAKE, FAKE.......... again explained in many other threads back when it was first announced. No go fk off.

Don't be such a child.

 

[jc456]

Would you agree there needs to be a predicate that a crime has been committed before an investigation is launched? What crime has been alleged against any of trump's political enemies?

explained in many different threads. This is a loser remorse thread, shut this shit off.

 

[jc456]

Don't be such a child.

says the guy posting propaganda repeatedly with no receipts.