Where is this mountain of evidence for evolution?

[S.J.]

Well gang, I'm gonna get some sleep. I have to work tomorrow (a lot of liberal welfare recipients are counting on me), but I'll come back later to check and see if any of you evolved primates show some proof of one species becoming another.

 

[orogenicman]

In other words, if I can't prove you wrong by proving some other theory (not faith-based) I'm obligated to accept YOUR theory?

You're obligated, as far as that goes, to present your evidence. As has been done on this thread.

Go back and read the OP. The topic is evolution and your lack of evidence. Did you have a problem understanding it?

And it your burden to prove your claim that the evidence doesn't exist. Did all the museum collections, gene sequencers, laboratories, scientific publications, university classes, and libraries on the planet mysteriously disappear? To date, all we've gotten from you is meaningless one-liners.

Oh really? That's pretty good. You make a claim you can't prove, but I have to DISprove it? Perfect!

That's a good one. Gee, if I was the only scientist on the planet supporting the theory of evolution, you might conceivably have a point. But I'm not, and you don't. You are the one who claims that the most successful scientific theory of all time is bogus, but have given not one thread of evidence to support your claim. At the point, it is clear that you refuse to support it because you have nothing to support. So all you can do is sit there fondling your dick, all the while smiling because you think you've made some kind scientific breakthrough. And I think that is rather sick. But again, if you are comfortable in that position, that is on you.

 

[cnm]

Oh really? That's pretty good. You make a claim you can't prove, but I have to DISprove it? Perfect!

The claim that evidence has been produced is quite provable, as is the claim that you demonstrate invincible ignorance.

No worries, batshit crazy's gotta do what batshit crazy's gotta do.

 

[orogenicman]

Well gang, I'm gonna get some sleep. I have to work tomorrow (a lot of liberal welfare recipients are counting on me), but I'll come back later to check and see if any of you evolved primates show some proof of one species becoming another.

Thanks for proving my point (that you have no alternative, but are only trolling to get your jollies off). Do let the evolution bugs bite:

 

[cnm]

Well gang, I'm gonna get some sleep. I have to work tomorrow (a lot of liberal welfare recipients are counting on me), but I'll come back later to check and see if any of you evolved primates show some proof of one species becoming another.

You manage a minimum wage enterprise? That would fit.

 

[Hollie]

In other words, if I can't prove you wrong by proving some other theory (not faith-based) I'm obligated to accept YOUR theory?

Scientific theories stand or fall on their own merit. You deny the reality of evolution, bubba. So what is your explanation? What merits your denial?

<Crickets chirping>

Chirp, chirp, I don't sit here anxiously awaiting each of your replies. I did notice that you're awfully reluctant to address that issue of "common ancestors" though. Now I hear those crickets.

I do see you anxiously waiting to read someone address "common ancestors, a topic that has been discussed throughout this thread. How ironic is that?

Quit stalling. Your explanation....

Again, I don't have to provide an alternative to your theory for your's to be wrong. You don't win by default, you still have to make your case, which you have failed to do.

What you haven't done is to provide a single point refuting the established fact of biological evolution. It is only you religious extremists who reject the science because it conflicts with your notions of magical gawds.

Your alternate proposal of magical gawds who by magical means *poofed* all of existence a mere 6,000 years ago is refuted by the data of verifiable sciences.

How do you support your case for magic and supernaturalism?

 

[sealybobo]

I take science over faith! The Isis takes faith.

But you can't prove 100 virgins arent waiting for them in heaven.

 

[sealybobo]

I take science over faith! The Isis takes faith.

Evolution ceases to be science when it becomes faith, faith that one species magically morphed into another. When "science" can prove that claim, we can accept that "science". Until then, I respectfully decline to accept speculation from self-proclaimed intellectuals who are so full of themselves they insist on presenting their speculation as fact, which it is NOT.

I'm not seeing the other half of this conversation, because I have the idiot on ignore. But it sounds like you're tearing him a new one.

Wrong. Now putting you on ignore. Loser.

 

[sealybobo]

Well gang, I'm gonna get some sleep. I have to work tomorrow (a lot of liberal welfare recipients are counting on me), but I'll come back later to check and see if any of you evolved primates show some proof of one species becoming another.

Give us a million years you'll see.

 

[orogenicman]

I am going to ask the moderators to move this thread to the religion forum, because it is clearly not about science: A creationist created the forum for the sole purpose of promoting denialism and attacking science, nothing more. They aren't interested in talking about the science, and not one of them have done so. If the moderators had been doing their jobs in the first place, it wouldn't be here.

 

[Toro]

The problem is, for creationists to accept evolution, they can no longer accept everything in the bible as truth. This is not a matter of science for them but a matter of absolute blind faith.

It's worth addressing what the fundamentalist has to lose by conceding evolution as the means for diversity of life on the planet and by conceding to non-literal bible tales. Evolution being true means there was no historical Adam and Eve. If there was no Adam and Eve, there is no original sin. If there is no original sin, there is no need to be saved. If there is no need for salvation, there is no need for their religion. That's why they will resist, to the bitter end, in spite of the bibles' tales being absurdities of nature, using any means necessary to protect their dogma.

Completely true.

The opposition to Evolution comes from religion, not science. Religion has a vested interest in discrediting Evolution because they can claim the only explanation to the origins of mankind.

 

[orogenicman]

The problem is, for creationists to accept evolution, they can no longer accept everything in the bible as truth. This is not a matter of science for them but a matter of absolute blind faith.

It's worth addressing what the fundamentalist has to lose by conceding evolution as the means for diversity of life on the planet and by conceding to non-literal bible tales. Evolution being true means there was no historical Adam and Eve. If there was no Adam and Eve, there is no original sin. If there is no original sin, there is no need to be saved. If there is no need for salvation, there is no need for their religion. That's why they will resist, to the bitter end, in spite of the bibles' tales being absurdities of nature, using any means necessary to protect their dogma.

Completely true.

The opposition to Evolution comes from religion, not science. Religion has a vested interest in discrediting Evolution because they can claim the only explanation to the origins of mankind.

Except that "god did it" is not an explanation.

 

[Hollie]

The problem is, for creationists to accept evolution, they can no longer accept everything in the bible as truth. This is not a matter of science for them but a matter of absolute blind faith.

It's worth addressing what the fundamentalist has to lose by conceding evolution as the means for diversity of life on the planet and by conceding to non-literal bible tales. Evolution being true means there was no historical Adam and Eve. If there was no Adam and Eve, there is no original sin. If there is no original sin, there is no need to be saved. If there is no need for salvation, there is no need for their religion. That's why they will resist, to the bitter end, in spite of the bibles' tales being absurdities of nature, using any means necessary to protect their dogma.

Completely true.

The opposition to Evolution comes from religion, not science. Religion has a vested interest in discrediting Evolution because they can claim the only explanation to the origins of mankind.

Except that "god did it" is not an explanation.

It's not, except in the skewed, superstitious worldview of "the gawds did it'ists" in this thread.

 

[pinqy]

The problem is, for creationists to accept evolution, they can no longer accept everything in the bible as truth. This is not a matter of science for them but a matter of absolute blind faith.

It's worth addressing what the fundamentalist has to lose by conceding evolution as the means for diversity of life on the planet and by conceding to non-literal bible tales. Evolution being true means there was no historical Adam and Eve. If there was no Adam and Eve, there is no original sin. If there is no original sin, there is no need to be saved. If there is no need for salvation, there is no need for their religion. That's why they will resist, to the bitter end, in spite of the bibles' tales being absurdities of nature, using any means necessary to protect their dogma.

Completely true.

The opposition to Evolution comes from religion, not science. Religion has a vested interest in discrediting Evolution because they can claim the only explanation to the origins of mankind.

Well, under Stalin, Lysenkoism was accepted instead of Darwinian Evolution. Not that Trofim Lysenko was an ardent communist, but his pseudo-Lamarckism and rejection of Darwinian and Mendelian inheritence appealed to Stalin. Set back Soviet biology by decades.

Technicaly not a religion, but Stalinism was not much different.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That explains a lot more about you than you apparently realize.

Mostly that he saw the movie "Altered States" and is less original than he thinks...

 

[sealybobo]

I am going to ask the moderators to move this thread to the religion forum, because it is clearly not about science: A creationist created the forum for the sole purpose of promoting denialism and attacking science, nothing more. They aren't interested in talking about the science, and not one of them have done so. If the moderators had been doing their jobs in the first place, it wouldn't be here.

I'm glad they are doing this here. We need to have this conversation out loud and in public. Leave it in the science forum! Expose them.

I make every christian tell me right away if they believe non christians go to hell. See what type of crazy I'm deading with.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Antibiotic resistance

so the short answer is never..the bacteria remains a bacteria

Brilliant. But irrelevant.

Hardly. Eots is right on the mark here but your pride simply refuses to admit the possibility that you are wrong.

On the mark? The principles of evolution have allowed us to not only discover the agents of disease, but have allowed us to discover antibiotics, and how the resistance to them works so we can develop better treatments. You don't have to believe it. You can just thank all those tireless lab workers who are trying to make your life better. So no he is not only not on the mark, he is flat out wrong.

That's Devil-talk.

The lab workers didn't discover antibiotics. God did!

Did the lab workers create the human body? The human mind? The ability to think, to research, to find, to discover, to invent? Or did God do that, Toro?

 

[Toro]

so the short answer is never..the bacteria remains a bacteria

Brilliant. But irrelevant.

Hardly. Eots is right on the mark here but your pride simply refuses to admit the possibility that you are wrong.

On the mark? The principles of evolution have allowed us to not only discover the agents of disease, but have allowed us to discover antibiotics, and how the resistance to them works so we can develop better treatments. You don't have to believe it. You can just thank all those tireless lab workers who are trying to make your life better. So no he is not only not on the mark, he is flat out wrong.

That's Devil-talk.

The lab workers didn't discover antibiotics. God did!

Did the lab workers create the human body? The human mind? The ability to think, to research, to find, to discover, to invent? Or did God do that, Toro?

God is Catholic.

 

[S.J.]

In other words, if I can't prove you wrong by proving some other theory (not faith-based) I'm obligated to accept YOUR theory?

You're obligated, as far as that goes, to present your evidence. As has been done on this thread.

Go back and read the OP. The topic is evolution and your lack of evidence. Did you have a problem understanding it?

And it your burden to prove your claim that the evidence doesn't exist. Did all the museum collections, gene sequencers, laboratories, scientific publications, university classes, and libraries on the planet mysteriously disappear? To date, all we've gotten from you is meaningless one-liners.

Oh really? That's pretty good. You make a claim you can't prove, but I have to DISprove it? Perfect!

That's a good one. Gee, if I was the only scientist on the planet supporting the theory of evolution, you might conceivably have a point. But I'm not, and you don't. You are the one who claims that the most successful scientific theory of all time is bogus, but have given not one thread of evidence to support your claim. At the point, it is clear that you refuse to support it because you have nothing to support. So all you can do is sit there fondling your dick, all the while smiling because you think you've made some kind scientific breakthrough. And I think that is rather sick. But again, if you are comfortable in that position, that is on you.

After 78 pages of prevaricating, the only thing you self proclaimed intellectuals can come up with is comments like "prove me wrong", "you're not smart enough to understand", "I already gave you proof, go back and find it", "you're fondling your dick". So much for your intellect.

 

[eots]

what is amazing to me is how smart bacteria are and their ability to adapt,organize,communicate...have to wonder where the source of such intelligence ,how it could of first developed