Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

The Messiah didn't Teach anything about being "Raptured Up/Out/Away
This pretty much tells us where He plans on taking us when He comes to gather us.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
^Where he is is in Heaven. He is going to take us to where He is. He comes in the air to gather us up quicker than it takes light to reach the back of an eye. 11/100 of a second. Jesus' followers avoid God's wrath.

If we are caught up with Him while He is on His way down here, then there is no need for a place for us in Heaven. And if He is on His way here, does He bring all of our horses with Him? And a change of clothes?

Rev. 19:13 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

We mount up in Heaven, and wait for God to tell us that it is time. And then we will descend to earth right behind the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Our glorified bodies, will be interdimensional, just like Christ's, and we will come and go from earth to heaven and back at will. You think and you are there.
As children of the Most High, we will be expected to rule and reign with our brother, and heir, Jesus, in love and compassion. I have a feeling our Father hasn't stopped creating. (A painter has to paint) so there is no telling where we will be needed.


Romans 8:17 We are God's heirs and fellow heirs with Christ, if we really suffer with him so that we can also be glorified with him.
 
Does Jesus bring all of our horses and new clothes with Him? The white ones? Or do we mount up in Heaven right behind Jesus, waiting for God to say, "Go."
Rev. 19:14 "And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses"
The only reference in The End Times Scriptures that speak of being given "Clothes", that I'm aware of is this one.

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.
Rev 6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Rev 6:11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.
 
Rev. 19:14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.

Array ~ to dress someone in the clothes specified.

I love linen. Cool and light but strong. What are you going to wear?
 
Joh 3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
Joh 3:2 The same came to him by night, and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.”
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see God’s Kingdom.”
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into God’s Kingdom.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered him, “How can these things be?”
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and don’t understand these things?
 
The Romans killed him assuming he ever existed.

(Luke 23:13-16) "And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and behold, I having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him: No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him. I will therefore chastise him, and release him."

(Luke 23:17-19) "(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.) And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas: (Who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.)

(Luke 23:20-23) "Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them. But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him and let him go. And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed."

(Luke 23:24-25) "And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required. And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison, who they had desired; but he delivered Jesus to their will."

(Matt. 27:24-25 "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

And so it has been and will be until Israel repents and turns back to God and acknowledge Christ as their Messiah, Whom they crucified.

The Romans killed Jesus

Christ was a real Jew, whose blood the Jews spilled. And it is His blood upon the Jews and their children that God lays it. As they desired it.

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(Luke 23:13-16) "And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and behold, I having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him: No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him. I will therefore chastise him, and release him."

(Luke 23:17-19) "(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.) And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas: (Who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.)

(Luke 23:20-23) "Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them. But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him and let him go. And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed."

(Luke 23:24-25) "And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required. And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison, who they had desired; but he delivered Jesus to their will."

(Matt. 27:24-25 "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

And so it has been and will be until Israel repents and turns back to God and acknowledge Christ as their Messiah, Whom they crucified.



Christ was a real Jew, whose blood the Jews spilled. And it is His blood upon the Jews and their children that God lays it. As they desired it.

Quantrill
The romans killed Jesus Christians killed Jews
 
(Luke 23:13-16) "And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and behold, I having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him: No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him. I will therefore chastise him, and release him."

(Luke 23:17-19) "(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.) And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas: (Who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.)

(Luke 23:20-23) "Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them. But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him and let him go. And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed."

(Luke 23:24-25) "And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required. And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison, who they had desired; but he delivered Jesus to their will."

(Matt. 27:24-25 "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

And so it has been and will be until Israel repents and turns back to God and acknowledge Christ as their Messiah, Whom they crucified.



Christ was a real Jew, whose blood the Jews spilled. And it is His blood upon the Jews and their children that God lays it. As they desired it.

Quantrill
The Romans killed him and violent genocidal Christians the religion of peace persecuted Jews for 2000 years
 
Ir-regardless of "Who Killed The Messiah,...... Per His Teachings,..... He will return only once, and at the end of "The Time of Yacob's Trouble/ The Tribulation".

And,.... He will not be gathering, at the "Resurrection", anyone that refuses His Teachings, and His Covenant.

The Messiah absolutely kept the Sabbaths
listed in Lev. 23:1-44, & That is stated repeatedly in The New Testament.

"Christianity" keeps the First Day of the Week Sunday Sabbath, & the Pagan Holidays honored by Catholicism.
"Christianity" largely claims that "The Law was nailed to the Cross", where The Messiah, & His Apostles never stated that. And yet "Christianity" zealously proclaims that at any minute they will be "Raptured Up".

Here, is what "Rapture ready Christianity" will do, once it realizes The tRuth.:


2Th 2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2Th 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, and not be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as if from us, saying that the day of Christ has already come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Th 2:4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.
2Th 2:5 Don’t you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming;
2Th 2:9 even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn’t receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie;
2Th 2:12 that they all might be judged who didn’t believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Those who Believed that they were Worthy of being "Raptured Up", once Physical Reality dawns upon them,......They will quickly give up the "Faith" that they proclaimed, and in order to Save their Physical Lives,... They will Honor, & Give their Allegiance to the 'Beast"/"Little Horn".

Mat_10:38 He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me, isn’t worthy of me.

Mat_16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
How is it, that the "Believers of The Way", that proved that they were Willing to "Take up their Cross", during the times of the Roman Emperors, such as Nero, & Caligula,....... Did not get "Raptured Up"?????
Many a Historical Record vividly describes these "Believers" being Horribly put to death in the Roman Arenas!
That "True Faith", of, & in, The Resurrected Messiah & His "Way", spread across the Roman Empire like a California Forest Fire, and,..... Constantine the Great, realizing that it could not be stopped, even with Severe Persecution, & the Pain of Death, cunningly merged his Pagan Beliefs in the Pagan Goddess Mithra, with beliefs of the "Way", and formed the Pagan State Religion of "Catholicism".

"Christianity", starting at the "Reformation", came out of that Pagan State Religion, and that evolved in to thousands of widely different, & heretical beliefs, that are still "Rooted in Catholicism".

Honoring even "One Micron" of those Pagan Beliefs, will stop one from being part of the "Harvest/Gathering" of the "Saints"/"Chosen Ones"/"Elect", & Those who are called "My People".

If One is unwilling to "Pick up their Cross", they will not enter The Kingdom of Heaven, here on Earth.
 
The romans killed Jesus Christians killed Jews

The romans killed Jesus Christians killed Jews

(Acts 2:22-23) "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him int the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain."

(Acts 2:36) "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

(Acts 2:37-38) "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

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sadly mistaken. the OT pointed to Jesus many times as the Messiah.
Prove it there is no mention of Jesus on the OT none zero nada zip. There is no devil original sin or fall of man. So prove it put up or shut up
 
Prove it there is no mention of Jesus on the OT none zero nada zip. There is no devil original sin or fall of man. So prove it put up or shut up

Why do you ask that when you don't believe the Old Testament? Nor do you believe the Old Testament is the Word of God.

Perhaps you should shut up, because you don't know what to believe.

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Why do you ask that when you don't believe the Old Testament? Nor do you believe the Old Testament is the Word of God.

Perhaps you should shut up, because you don't know what to believe.

Quantrill
You avoided the question. Jesus is not in the OT. Prove he is. Show me mention of his name in the OT . Put up or shut up.
 
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(Acts 2:22-23) "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him int the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain."

(Acts 2:36) "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

(Acts 2:37-38) "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Quantrill
Thats what we call heresy. So someone wrote something maybe he lied because Christians persecuted Jews for centuries. They were violent oppressive an intolerant.
 
Prove it Jesus is never mentioned in the OT
Right. As long as you don't understand how Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 which is an inevitable result based on the ridiculous things that Christians claim about Jesus and the equally bizarre Jewish messianic expectations which are as completely irrational as Christian expectations are for the second coming of Christ.

Hint:

The sanctuary of God cannot be made by human hands anymore than Divine providence can be made by human hands just like THE SWORD the messiah will use, or used, to SMITE "the nations", the enemies of Israel, is not a weapon that can be made by human hands, and the death that will end is not and never was about the end of biological death.

So now you have a choice. To ask an intelligent question or make a disparaging remark.

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So someone wrote something maybe he lied because Christians persecuted Jews for centuries. They were violent oppressive an intolerant.
Paul exhorted early Christians to SUBMIT to the governing authorities OR ELSE when Nero was caesar, who organized and initiated the first of many ruthless Christian persecutions.

What does that tell you?
 
The romans killed Jesus Christians killed Jews
The Romans destroyed Judea, the temple, their way of life, and imprisoned, enslaved, exiled, maimed and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Jewish men women and children which was witnessed by the unknown Jewish authors of the NT. And when Rome assimilated and perverted christianity with Mithraism in 325ce, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military, and caesar conferred power and authority to the Papacy, Rome continued to persecute both Christians who maintained allegiance to Jesus, and the Jewish people who tried their best to keep Gods commands.

What does that tell you?

A trinity raped a virgin to become a Jewish man only to be crucified as a perfect human sacrifice so believers who defy Mosaic law and worship a mangod, celebrate his death and eat him, can sin with impunity for life because God loved the Roman world so much? :crying:

C'mon now, RUMINATE

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by THE SWORD shall die by THE SWORD."
 
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