Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

[hobelim]

All you say is simply opinion and a really bad one at that.

Well here's another.

That you "believe" a fairy tale character is why all people die physical death is proof that you are dead. So dead that you do not notice that every form of life that ever existed on this planet dies.

Its a natural part of life. Whats unnatural is your beliefs that are contradicted by reality every day.

If you can't enjoy life without lugging around imaginary guilt every day, you might as well be dead

 

[forkintheroad7]

Infant baptism is just dedicating the child to a Christian family and education. You're gagging on a gnat.

It is a sacrament which means it is efficacious for accomplishing what Jesus said that sacrament accomplishes, the washing away of original (and/or personal) sin.

Most people have ditched Jesus, both C and P and whomever.. sad thing, obviously

 

[Cougarbear]

Are you aware many Catholic baptisms take place during Mass? Adult baptisms are most often done at the Easter Vigil Mass. No exchange of money at either.

But, I found easily that it is expected to hand over some cash to the priest doing the baptism. Wink, wink...

 

[forkintheroad7]

How much money do you give a priest for a baptism?

I only took part in 2 baptisms (directly) in the novus ordo (post-Vatican II) sect and NO money was required.

Again, people do not understand the Catholic Church. They believe what others have told them about the Church and what Catholics supposedly believe.

 

[Meriweather]

But, I found easily that it is expected to hand over some cash to the priest doing the baptism. Wink, wink...

That is not the custom of many parishes.

 

[Cougarbear]

Well here's another.

That you "believe" a fairy tale character is why all people die physical death is proof that you are dead. So dead that you do not notice that every form of life that ever existed on this planet dies.

Its a natural part of life. Whats unnatural is your beliefs that are contradicted by reality every day.

If you can't enjoy life without lugging around imaginary guilt every day, you might as well be dead

Stay on topic. My statement was about your lack of understanding of what took place in the Garden of Eden. Of course death is a natural part of life when we are mortal. In the Garden, they were not in a state of mortality. That's all. Don't make more out of it than is needed. God made the universe. He is the God of science too. He can give us immortality if he chooses to. And, he has after the resurrection.

 

[hobelim]

Of course death is a natural part of life when we are mortal. In the Garden, they were not in a state of mortality. That's all.

Not in a state of mortality? Are you insane? Do you deliberately teach your children this crap?

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand, take from the fruit of the tree of life, eat, and live forever“ So he drove the man out...

They were in a state of mortality since they were driven out of Eden before they ate from the tree of life. Maybe you should try to read it again, but more carefully. Its a matter of life and death!

Sinner!

That was your first mistake
You took your lucky break and broke it in two
Now what can be done for you?
You broke it in two

 

[Cougarbear]

Not in a state of mortality? Are you insane? Do you deliberately teach your children this crap?

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand, take from the fruit of the tree of life, eat, and live forever“ So he drove the man out...

They were in a state of mortality since they were driven out of Eden before they ate from the tree of life. Maybe you should try to read it again, but more carefully. Its a matter of life and death!

Sinner!

That was your first mistake
You took your lucky break and broke it in two
Now what can be done for you?
You broke it in two

After Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, they were changed into mortality. The words are clear in the Bible. Maybe you should learn to read.

 

[Frankenstein]

Scripture says "Baptism-- being like the waters of the Flood that washed the earth of sin and egregious sinners--

"now saveth you"

We want all persons at whatever age to be washed of their original sin and also their personal sins (if they are adults and haven't yet been baptized)

So the crucifixion wasn't needed just some water

 

[Frankenstein]

Scripture says "Baptism-- being like the waters of the Flood that washed the earth of sin and egregious sinners--

"now saveth you"

We want all persons at whatever age to be washed of their original sin and also their personal sins (if they are adults and haven't yet been baptized)

Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation. To add anything to the gospel is to say that Jesus’ death on the cross was not sufficient to purchase our salvation. To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works and obedience to Christ’s death in order to make it sufficient for salvation. Jesus’ death alone paid for our sins (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus’ payment for our sins is appropriated to our “account” by faith alone (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9). Therefore, baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation but cannot be a requirement for salvation.

Yes, there are some verses that seem to indicate baptism as a requirement for salvation. However, since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5), there must be a different interpretation of those verses.

 

[surada]

So, you believe baptism isn’t for personal benefit of receiving forgiveness? Completely against the Bible text.

Not for infants. Why would they need to be forgiven? Jews and Muslims don't believe in
original sin. I think they got that right. Sins of the fathers and all that.

 

[Hawkins]

It doesn't. I have read the Bible. I know it's a shock to hear a Catholic say that, but it's a true story. I've actually read or heard it over and over because the Catholic Church gives us scripture every day, not just on Sunday.

Anyhow, it does not say in the Bible you can't baptize infants and it is inferred that infants were indeed baptized. In Acts, it says "whole households" were baptized. Most households had infants and/or children.

Jesus said to let the children come to Him.

etc

Circumcision has the effect of switching from an older covenant (possibly from Noah) to a Jewish covenant. By the same token, baptism has the effect of switching from the same older covenant (i.e., Noah's) to the New Covenant. Unlike the Jewish covenant which having the effect of born with (by circumcising on the 8th day), the New Covenant is for men to choose with consent. The Noah's covenant is born with us gentiles, but the New Covenant is for us to choose with consent.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Circumcision has the effect of switching from an older covenant (possibly from Noah) to a Jewish covenant. By the same token, baptism has the effect of switching from the same older covenant (i.e., Noah's) to the New Covenant. Unlike the Jewish covenant which having the effect of born with (by circumcising on the 8th day), the New Covenant is for men to choose with consent. The Noah's covenant is born with us gentiles, but the New Covenant is for us to choose with consent.

"Baptism," the Word says," being of the same [type] as the waters of the Flood,

"now saveth you"

 

[forkintheroad7]

Not for infants. Why would they need to be forgiven? Jews and Muslims don't believe in
original sin. I think they got that right. Sins of the fathers and all that.

Original sin is very real. You see it in the selfish behavior of otherwise "cute" children.. how they fight over toys and etc... how they demand to have their way and throw a tantrum and try to manipulate their parents.. etc..

I have no idea what part of the Adam and Eve story is literal and what may be allegorical, but we can all see w/ our own eyes just how FALLEN mankind is.

Anyone who can't see that hasn't watched much news..

 

[surada]

Stay on topic. My statement was about your lack of understanding of what took place in the Garden of Eden. Of course death is a natural part of life when we are mortal. In the Garden, they were not in a state of mortality. That's all. Don't make more out of it than is needed. God made the universe. He is the God of science too. He can give us immortality if he chooses to. And, he has after the resurrection.

Yeah. Mormons say the Garden of Eden was in Missouri.

 

[surada]

Original sin is very real. You see it in the selfish behavior of otherwise "cute" children.. how they fight over toys and etc... how they demand to have their way and throw a tantrum and try to manipulate their parents.. etc..

I have no idea what part of the Adam and Eve story is literal and what may be allegorical, but we can all see w/ our own eyes just how FALLEN mankind is.

Anyone who can't see that hasn't watched much news..

Original sin wasn't Christian doctrine until the end of the third century.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Yeah. Mormons say the Garden of Eden was in Missouri.

It's actually in Florida

LOL

never been there but I hear it's great esp since DeSantis got there as governor

 

[surada]

It's actually in Florida

LOL

never been there but I hear it's great esp since DeSantis got there as governor

The doctrine of original sin was most famously formulated by St. Augustine of Hippo, and was later formalized as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th century.

 

[surada]

The location of the Garden of Eden - FAIR

www.fairlatterdaysaints.org

T]he spot chosen for the garden of Eden was Jackson County, in the State of Missouri, where Independence now stands; it was occupied in the morn of creation by Adam and his associates who came with him for the express purpose of peopling this earth.[6]

 

[forkintheroad7]

The doctrine of original sin was most famously formulated by St. Augustine of Hippo, and was later formalized as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th century.

That doesn't mean he invented original sin