Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

[surada]

The Bible says that baptism is for repentance. What does an infant have to repent for? Are infants even mentally capable of repentance?

Infant baptism is just dedicating the child to a Christian family and education. You're gagging on a gnat.

 

[dudmuck]

The Bible says that baptism is for repentance. What does an infant have to repent for? Are infants even mentally capable of repentance?

I could think of two possible reasons.
First, immersion in holy water.
Second, for the original sin, aka "the Fall"

 

[hobelim]

There are children who get baptized, but when they are old enough to understand what they're doing.

When they are old enough to understand what they are doing they leave church like a bat out of hell if they are able to be honest with themselves and others after many years of psychological abuse instilling within them fear of real and imaginary violence eternal torture and death in hell.

 

[Cougarbear]

Infant baptism is just dedicating the child to a Christian family and education. You're gagging on a gnat.

So, you believe baptism isn’t for personal benefit of receiving forgiveness? Completely against the Bible text.

 

[Cougarbear]

I could think of two possible reasons.
First, immersion in holy water.
Second, for the original sin, aka "the Fall"

So, it’s for the parent’s benefit and the priest’s pocketbook. All Adam’s transgression did was open the world to the ability to choose good or evil. We are not judged on Adam’s transgression. We are judged on our own transgressions and not on Adam’s. How would I remove Adam’s transgressions? He’s been dead for about 5,000 years.

 

[Frankenstein]

The Bible says that baptism is for repentance. What does an infant have to repent for? Are infants even mentally capable of repentance?

No it doesn't, Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change, confessing Jesus as Lord and asking him to save you is the only thing that saves you!

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Bible says that baptism is for repentance. What does an infant have to repent for? Are infants even mentally capable of repentance?

All humans are tainted w/ original sin from the time of their conception

 

[forkintheroad7]

No it doesn't, Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change, confessing Jesus as Lord and asking him to save you is the only thing that saves you!

Scripture says "Baptism-- being like the waters of the Flood that washed the earth of sin and egregious sinners--

"now saveth you"

We want all persons at whatever age to be washed of their original sin and also their personal sins (if they are adults and haven't yet been baptized)

 

[forkintheroad7]

Baptism is a symbolic outward expression of a TRUE inner change....

That is not so. You've been taught that by a false religion. Baptism is a sacrament that washes away original and/or personal sin, regardless of age.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Thank you! And that's just a partial list. I mean, water baptism is clearly tied to belief and repentance over and over in the New Testament.

Protestants never seem to study the early years of the Church Christ founded. Then they wonder why they are in constant disagreement with Catholics (who do).

In the first century AD we see Eucharist and the other sacraments, baptism, priesthood.. confession to a priest.

Protestants 500 years ago (16th century) ditched the Church Christ founded, and Luther started his own version of what he called a church. I guess Jesus didn't know what he was doing, according to Luther et al.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Matt 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins"

Acts 19:4 "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."

Luke 3:3 "And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins"

Acts 13:24 "When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel."

That is all for adults. In Acts we are told that whole households were baptized. Most households have children and/or infants

 

[hobelim]

And this was at age 12! Yet He was baptized at age 30 to set an example for us.

Aren't you curious about the missing 18 years, like the missing 18 minutes of the Nixon tapes?

Saying he was tempted by the devil in the wilderness while living among the wild beasts is a hint.

Judas was what amounts to a hit man, Sicarii, for Christs sake. Interesting to note that even after baptism Jesus didn't stop eating and drinking and partying with sinners and "bad characters"

What does that tell you if not that what the religious authorities considered sinful, Jesus did not.

Why would Jesus submit to baptism unless he had something to repent for, like temple worship?

 

[forkintheroad7]

So, it’s for the parent’s benefit and the priest’s pocketbook.

You think you are right and you don't even know what Catholicism teaches. Stop being a know it all because you don't even know a fraction..

 

[onefour1]

All humans are tainted w/ original sin from the time of their conception

Although we are born into the effects of the original sin, we are not held accountable for the original sin. The atonement of Jesus Christ covered that. We are only held accountable for our own sins and not for Adam and Eve's transgression. Since the atonement covers original sin, mankind is not held accountable for sin until they reach the age of accountability. In other words, little children who are below the age of accountability cannot commit sin.

 

[hobelim]

Although we are born into the effects of the original sin,

Thats is such bullshit. Babies are born pure. Sin is disobedience to the law. Sin, in fact, is lawlessness. If they sin its because they learned to do it at home. Do your children worship a Jewish man? A trinity? Yes? Why? Because you taught them to defy the law of God and sin.

Not because they were born sinful, defying the law of God and desecrating the teaching of Jesus

Unless shitting your diapers, drooling, puking, crying, or blubbering goo goo gaa gaa are sins.

 

[onefour1]

Thats is such bullshit. Babies are born pure. Sin is disobedience to the law. Sin, in fact, is lawlessness. If they sin its because they learned to do it at home. Do your children worship a Jewish man? A trinity? Yes? Why? Because you taught them to defy the law of God and sin.

When I say, "effects of original sin", I am referring to the fact that babies and very small children are born into mortality and are subject death and sickness, etc. That is a proven fact. I am not saying that they sin. If you read my entire post I clearly said that they are not subject to committing sin until they reach the age of accountability. Thus little children cannot commit sin until they reach an age of accountability.

 

[hobelim]

When I say, "effects of original sin", I am referring to the fact that babies and very small children are born into mortality and are subject death and sickness, etc. That is a proven fact

Mortality is not the consequence of any sin a fairy tale character ever committed. Thats a fact.

When Adam and Eve defied God they did not die physical death. They were never born immortal.

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever “

They were kicked out of Eden as mortals. The death they experienced was the death of reason.

Thus little children cannot commit sin until they reach an age of accountability.

Agreed.

Thats why the church waits until "the age of reason" after children are taught to memorize the Ten Commandments, and the wages of sin, death and hell, before they tell them to set aside everything they were taught about sin to worship a matzo made by human hands that is not God

If children do what they were openly taught results in death, hell, and destruction, the church rationalizes that it was with informed consent.

Still it needs to be shut down. Indoctrination into an irrational religion amounts to child abuse.

 

[Cougarbear]

You think you are right and you don't even know what Catholicism teaches. Stop being a know it all because you don't even know a fraction..

How much money do you give a priest for a baptism?
People normally donate from $25 to $100 dollars to the priest that is performing the baptism. The dollar amount depends on multiple factors. Some of these include whether or not he has taken extra time to specially prepare for the baptism or if the baptism is a private event.Dec 28, 2023

Some Catholic churches charge for the total time spent in the church, including rehearsal, while others have a fixed price. Most Catholic church weddings range from $500 to $1,000.

A donation to the parish is customary to help cover the costs of using the church or chapel for funerals. The amount of the donation is often left to the family, but some churches suggest a donation of $150–$200.

Google is easy to find out what is expected of Catholics. I'm sure other churches expect money as well. Our church does not for the above events. I did once officiate at a funeral for a family who was not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. After the funeral, a woman came up had stuffed $40 into my hands. I told her it wasn't necessary but she smiled and walked off. I put it in the missionary fund.

 

[Cougarbear]

Mortality is not the consequence of any sin a fairy tale character ever committed. Thats a fact.

When Adam and Eve defied God they did not die physical death. They were never born immortal.

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever “

They were kicked out of Eden as mortals. The death they experienced was the death of reason.


Agreed.

Thats why the church waits until "the age of reason" after children are taught to memorize the Ten Commandments, and the wages of sin, death and hell, before they tell them to set aside everything they were taught about sin to worship a matzo made by human hands that is not God

If children do what they were openly taught results in death, hell, and destruction, the church rationalizes that it was with informed consent.

Still it needs to be shut down. Indoctrination into an irrational religion amounts to child abuse.

All you say is simply opinion and a really bad one at that. You are just making up stuff to fit the DEI of the day.

 

[Meriweather]

How much money do you give a priest for a baptism?

Are you aware many Catholic baptisms take place during Mass? Adult baptisms are most often done at the Easter Vigil Mass. No exchange of money at either.