Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

[Cougarbear]

Even if I believed in God it wouldn't make any sense. God didn't accidentally create human nature. It would be like me building a computer and then forgiving it for being a computer. However, any computer that didn't get sprinkled with water will be cast into a fire for being a computer.


Here's what you said:
"So when someone says 'original sin' just think human nature instead. Does being baptized eliminate that human nature? No, of course not. Baptism is a forgiveness of one's human nature. So it makes perfect sense to baptize infants. But whether or not one is baptized, I'm pretty sure their human nature is forgiven."

You literally say that baptism is forgiving human nature.

No, you said baptism is forgiving human nature. You changed the idea of man into human nature. Not Ding. Ding is going on the concept that God organized man from the dust of this earth. Then, he placed man's spirit in him giving him the ability to be like God formed in the likeness of God. He then breathed the breath of life into him. The Fold of Adam and Eve are unique in that they have a much different brain and mind connected with a spirit that has the choice of choosing good or evil rather than being carnal and devilish. We are not animals like animals are. Their spirits are less intelligent and are not judged the way we are. Our cognitive abilities are subject to the laws of God in the days in which we live. We are here to learn to control our bodies, parts and passions for future use in the eternal life to come. Thus, we are to learn to forgive others and to forgive ourselves by repenting and be baptized according to the laws of Christ.

 

[ding]

I was answering the questions that you asked. I didn't know that would trigger you.

I'm not triggered. Just not wasting my time repeating what I already said.

 

[Ace Nova]

You may not realize this (go figure) but the natural beauty of this world was already in existence for billions of years before "the Spirit of God" hovered over the waters and said "let there be light" creating Heaven and earth, a world above, my world, and the world below, your world, on this planet that had been flat, without shape or form (lawless) and void (exceedingly pointless) and where darkness (superstition and ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown).

The law was given as "a light to the nations" teaching intelligent people worldwide to differentiate between clean and unclean, true and false, right and wrong, good and evil, life and death, the children of light, and the children of darkness, the children of God and the children of the devil.

And still you haven't taken a stand on the revealed truth. Light. You still choose death. I noticed.

Nice try.

Like I said, How is it that you do not know the right course to take? For a clue, meditate on this;

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This is where you and I disagree. If you believe that God is the creator of the Universe and all living things - then you must also believe that God created the Earth and all living things - WHEN THEY WERE CREATED - Not "Billions of years" after the Earth was created.

In my humble opinion, a "wiser" way to express what you are intending to express, is to say that "In order to prevent mankind from "falling" again - as they did in the Garden - And - so that the events that occurred prior to the Deluge would not be repeated (At least not on a world-wide scale) - God gave THE LAW as a gift to mankind - In order for it to become "A Light To The Nations".

The Law was given to mankind in order to govern the first born civilizations. And yes, it was intended to "enlighten people" in the ways of righteousness. And yet - time and time again, people would stray from THE LAW and do as they please.

They would be disciplined accordingly ' "An Eye for An Eye, A Tooth for A Tooth" And from this, the infernal cycle of discord and retaliation was born. Now a select few were able to "overcome" this cycle - and were deemed "The Righteous". But many others - likely most - did not - at least not "completely".

While under THE LAW - People still committed violent acts, murder, persecution - resorting to even genocide. So when you post pictures of people being persecuted and hanged by "supposed" Christians (who were spiritually and mentally under the influence of the adversary - NOT God's Law or Word) - You must remember that many of the same atrocities OR WORSE - were committed while people were being governed by THE LAW but in the same way, were being influenced by the adversary.

For it is mankind's desires that cause their physical bodies, minds, and hearts to be governed by adversarial Spirits - instead of God's Spirits of Righteousness, Love and Mercy. It has been this way since the dawn of civilization. The idea is that eventually "more and more" people would "choose" the righteous path - and if they would fall off the path from time to time - through repentance and penance - by God's Mercy - they could still be redeemed.

 

[hobelim]

Luke 24:39, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Every single eyewitness account of Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream. In reality dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms, do not eat fish, or ask anyone to poke their wounds. The only way these accounts could be true is if what they reported was seen and heard in dreams, the only realm where such things are possible. The disciples seeing Jesus in a dream after he died would have convinced them that Jesus was alive and well and living in the realm of God, which is the reward of the righteous.

This is what gave them the faith to do what they did for the rest of their lives even to their deaths.

 

[hobelim]

This is where you and I disagree.

OK, I'm fine with that.

If you believe that God is the creator of the Universe and all living things - then you must also believe that God created the Earth and all living things - WHEN THEY WERE CREATED - Not "Billions of years" after the Earth was created.

That is a non sequitur. It does not logically follow. Try to include the verifiable reality that the earth is billions of years old in your speculations and then take another harder look at what I wrote.

According to Genesis the earth was already a planet when light was spoken into existence.

The Spirit of God hovered over the waters and God said, "Let there be light" and there was light

The creation of Heaven and earth, a world above and the world below, on this planet, was no more than 3500 years ago when the Law was given as a "light to the nations" by Moses for God.

Remember, you have to include reality, a reliable constant, in your speculations to learn the truth.

 

[Cougarbear]

Every single eyewitness account of Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream.

By the way, there’s a scripture that says when God gives the truth to prophets, “Young men see visions while old men see dreams.” However, the letters written in the NT are first hand accounts and some with visions and some with dreams. Jesus did live and still lives.

 

[hobelim]

By the way, there’s a scripture that says when God gives the truth to prophets, “Young men see visions while old men see dreams.” However, the letters written in the NT are first hand accounts and some with visions and some with dreams. Jesus did live and still lives.

Ok, so you may never become a deep thinker. Somehow I'll try to live with that...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ok, so you may never become a deep thinker. Somehow I'll try to live with that...

how old do you think the earth is?

 

[hobelim]

how old do you think the earth is?

About 4.5 billion years old. Psst! there was no one there to write down what actually happened.

How old are you?

Grade school children should know this.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

About 4.5 billion years old. Psst! there was no one there to write down what actually happened.

How old are you?

Grade school children should know this.

well, I was worried after your previous post.

 

[Cougarbear]

Ok, so you may never become a deep thinker. Somehow I'll try to live with that...

Deep thinker? No, I pray before reading the scriptures. I meditate on them without a double mind. I read for more information to help understand truth but not with a double mind against faith. Then I pray and ask with real intent to Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ and without faith waivering and without a double mind. Then, I listen for a response through the Holy Ghost.
Your problem is you are trying to gain knowledge and using your own understanding to get a belief in something. It’s coming from you. Not God. You aren’t involving the only entity that can develop faith, belief and a testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[hobelim]

Deep thinker? No,

Who knew? lol. Thanks for sharing.

Your problem is you are trying to gain knowledge and using your own understanding to get a belief in something. It’s coming from you. Not God.

First of all. I do not have a problem. Secondly I am freely sharing knowledge not trying to gain knowledge, knowledge that I received from MY GOD who tells me what to say and how to say it.

You aren’t involving the only entity that can develop faith, belief and a testimony of Jesus Christ.

Well, if the entity that I am not involving is the entity that convinced you to believe that God is a glorified man, then isn't that a good thing? What entity would tell you that God was or is a man?

Try to think. You can do it!

 

[hobelim]

well, I was worried after your previous post.

Oh my! I had better be careful. You might shit yourself after my next post. I'll try to be gentle.

 

[Cougarbear]

Who knew? lol. Thanks for sharing.


First of all. I do not have a problem. Secondly I am sharing knowledge not trying to gain knowledge, knowledge that I received from MY GOD who tells me what to say and how to say it.



Well, if the entity that I am not involving is the entity that convinced you to believe that God is a glorified man, then isn't that a good thing? What entity would tell you that God was or is a man?

Try to think. You can do it!

Luke 24:39 over and over and over teaches God is a glorified man of flesh and bones. No blood. Yet, you deny this right in front of you.

 

[hobelim]

Luke 24:39 over and over and over teaches God is a glorified man of flesh and bones. No blood. Yet, you deny this right in front of you.

As I said;

Every single eyewitness account of Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream. In reality dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms, do not eat fish, or ask anyone to poke their wounds. The only way these accounts could be true is if what they reported was seen and heard in dreams, the only realm where such things are possible. The disciples seeing Jesus in a dream after he died would have convinced them that Jesus survived death and was living in the realm of God, which is the reward of the righteous.

This is what gave them the faith to do what they did for the rest of their lives even to their deaths.

It is you who is denying the reality right in front of you that you've been living in for your entire life

Thats quite a feat. I am very impressed.

 

[Cougarbear]

As I said;

Every single eyewitness account of Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream. In reality dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms, do not eat fish, or ask anyone to poke their wounds. The only way these accounts could be true is if what they reported was seen and heard in dreams, the only realm where such things are possible. The disciples seeing Jesus in a dream after he died would have convinced them that Jesus survived death and was living in the realm of God, which is the reward of the righteous.

This is what gave them the faith to do what they did for the rest of their lives even to their deaths.

It is you who is denying the reality right in front of you that you've been living in for your entire life

Thats quite a feat. I am very impressed.

Too bad you have no faith. That’s what this comes down to. That’s the real reality that the God who created and organized the universe, the earth and Adam and Eve could not resurrect himself and reveal himself in the flesh to people. There is no hope in this. We are to have faith, hope and charity in Jesus Christ. You have none. There is no teachings by Jesus Christ or his apostles that supports your theory.
Thomas was doubting just like you. Yet, Jesus appeared to him and empirically showed him the resurrection is true. It will take the same with you because you choose to not have the spiritual knowledge of faith. Truly sad.

 

[hobelim]

Too bad you have no faith. That’s what this comes down to.

I agree! I just don't have what it takes to deny reality daily and become a completely false person.

Woe is me!

 

[Cougarbear]

I agree! I just don't have what it takes to deny reality daily and become a completely false person.

Woe is me!

You just don’t have what it takes to have faith in Jesus Christ or your God. That’s the reality you miss daily. I have that faith and knowledge of those things you haven’t seen but are true that I’ve seen.

 

[hobelim]

You just don’t have what it takes to have faith in Jesus Christ or your God

I don't need "faith". I have seen and know both Jesus, what he taught, and the wisdom of my God

Blind faith in the ridiculous is for suckers. You might as well go and tattoo 666 on your forehead.

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't need "faith". I have seen and know both Jesus, what he taught, and the wisdom of my God

Blind faith in the ridiculous is for suckers. You might as well go and tattoo 666 on your forehead.

You have not seen nor know Jesus. To you he is dead. No resurrection as you stated. So, stop flip flopping. And, you know nothing about what he taught. So lost. It’s you with 666 on your forehead.