Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

[hobelim]

He came to fulfill the prophets promises that a Savior Messiah would be born and give the final atonement because of the fall of Adam. A way to remove the stain of sins we commit every day of our life

How many of you are there? And what kind of salvation are talking about if you still sin every day? I never sin. Sin is disobedience to the law. The consequence for sin is death. This is irrefutable.

At least according to the Bible, and the pure shit that oozes out of ding like a foul and smelly pus every single time I squeeze his defiled and contaminated religiously addled decomposing head.

The only way that Jesus can save anyone from sin is if they listen to his teaching about how to correctly understand the figurative words and hidden subject of the Law, which is not about diet fashion or sex, and act on it which would require you to stop sinning by praying to a counterfeit Jesus that was crucified to atone for your sins and a trinity that diddled a virgin but never existed.

What you think is sin is not and what you think is being a devoted believer is sin. So stop feeling guilty about being human. My God didn't create humans only to condemn them for being human.

You have been deceived by an actor and lying fraud, a devil, misrepresenting both Jesus and God

Is that really too hard for you to believe? You make the same mistake Adam made in the fairy tale every time you go to church and pray to a trinity hoping to be the god of your own planet one day.

Sucker!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How many of you are there? And what kind of salvation are talking about if you still sin every day? I never sin. Sin is disobedience to the law. The consequence for sin is death. This is irrefutable.

At least according to the Bible, and the shit that oozes out of ding like a foul and smell pus every single time I squeeze his defiled and contaminated religiously addled decomposing head.

The only way that Jesus can save anyone from sin is if they listen to his teaching about how to correctly understand the figurative words and hidden subject of the Law, which is not about diet fashion or sex, and act on it which would require you to stop sinning by praying to a counterfeit Jesus that was crucified to atone for your sins and a trinity that diddled a virgin but never existed.

What you think is sin is not and what you think is being a devoted believer is sin. So stop feeling guilty about being human. My God didn't create humans only to condemn them for being human.

You have been deceived by an actor and lying fraud, a devil, misrepresenting both Jesus and God

Is that really too hard for you to believe? You make the same mistake Adam made in the fairy tale every time you go to church and pray to a trinity hoping to be the god of your own planet one day.

Sucker!

Man, you are really delusional.

 

[hobelim]

Man, you are really delusional.

Wait! let me guess. You believe trump is going to save democracy from communism with fascism.

Talk about delusional! Man.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wait! let me guess. You believe trump is going to save democracy from communism with fascism.

Talk about delusional! Man.

Trump isn't a Fascist the dems are. But I won't be voting anyway.

 

[hobelim]

Trump isn't a Fascist the dems are.

Sure, the dems stormed the capitol for trump because he isn't the epitome of a fascist, a talking serpent con man, who doesn't give a shit about the truth, liberty, justice, or anyone but himself.

But I won't be voting anyway.

Thats probably a good thing since you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Dems? Seriously? You have been brainwashed by Fox News. Its written all over your dark soul. Defending Trump isn't going to look so good for you when you are standing before the Judge.
Not voting really isn't a viable alibi, man. Choose a side already you pusillanimous lily white cur.

 

[Cougarbear]

How many of you are there? And what kind of salvation are talking about if you still sin every day? I never sin. Sin is disobedience to the law. The consequence for sin is death. This is irrefutable.

At least according to the Bible, and the pure shit that oozes out of ding like a foul and smelly pus every single time I squeeze his defiled and contaminated religiously addled decomposing head.

The only way that Jesus can save anyone from sin is if they listen to his teaching about how to correctly understand the figurative words and hidden subject of the Law, which is not about diet fashion or sex, and act on it which would require you to stop sinning by praying to a counterfeit Jesus that was crucified to atone for your sins and a trinity that diddled a virgin but never existed.

What you think is sin is not and what you think is being a devoted believer is sin. So stop feeling guilty about being human. My God didn't create humans only to condemn them for being human.

You have been deceived by an actor and lying fraud, a devil, misrepresenting both Jesus and God

Is that really too hard for you to believe? You make the same mistake Adam made in the fairy tale every time you go to church and pray to a trinity hoping to be the god of your own planet one day.

Sucker!

You just sinned. The sin of pride. All fall short the glory of God. So, all sin. The spiritual consequence of sin is spiritual death because there is no way for you to fully repent and make things 100% right. The stain will always be there. The only way to remove the stain is by God himself. Jesus was the God of the OT, Jehovah. He came down to atone for all our sins if we do everything we can to clean the stains up. He His atonement will do the rest. He's already atoned so you might as well take advantage his gift to you. The Law only refers to physical death. And, you will surely die. Everyone does. Even if it's for a split second.

Again, the pride that some rabbi would know more how to understand and interpret the scriptures Jesus (Jehovah) gave the rabbi is prideful. Shame on you to think you know more than God. Repent of this prideful sin.

We are all condemned to die spiritually and physically forever except for the atonement of Jesus Christ. Our natural state is carnal and devilish. We cannot avoid sin once we know we are sinning. In your case, you hide your sins by saying you aren't a sinner because you think you live the letter of the law, which you don't. In the letter of the law, it says do not lie down with someone of the same sex and do what you would do with someone of the opposite sex. Homosexual acts are therefore a sin according to the letter of the law. But, if you think about it in your mind and heart, you are still committing the sin because you are breaking the spirit of the law.

 

[hobelim]

Repent of this prideful sin.

We are all condemned to die spiritually and physically forever except for the atonement of Jesus Christ. Our natural state is carnal and devilish. We cannot avoid sin once we know we are sinning. In your case, you hide your sins by saying you aren't a sinner because blah blah blah

I hate to break the news to you sweetie but I am not a part of your we. If you died spiritually and your natural state is carnal and devilish you have just proven it by clinging to your delusions as if it was impossible to comply with the divine commands, which is true if I followed the literal letter of the Law, but I don't. I comply with the Law as Jesus revealed which is really freakin easy to do.

So I'm sorry if you think pride has anything to do with what I say or do. I just know what I know. Truth. If pride was involved I wouldn't bother with any of you religiously addled victims of deceit.
I would take advantage of your obstinate stupidity and fleece you just like your church, but I don't

I found you dying of thirst in a barren desert and gave you a drink of water you ungrateful shrew.

I was just being neighborly.

I see and hear the words of the living God and always do exactly as he commands... perfectly.

So forgive me if I am firm in my faith, its hard to be humble when you are perfect in every way. lol.

 

[Cougarbear]

I hate to break the news to you sweetie but I am not a part of your we. If you died spiritually and your natural state is carnal and devilish you have just proven it by clinging to your delusions as if it was impossible to comply with the divine commands, which is true if I followed the literal letter of the Law, but I don't. I comply with the Law as Jesus revealed which is really freakin easy to do.

So I'm sorry if you think pride has anything to do with what I say or do. I just know what I know. Truth. If pride was involved I wouldn't bother with any of you religiously addled victims of deceit.
I would take advantage of your obstinate stupidity and fleece you just like your church, but I don't

I found you dying of thirst in a barren desert and gave you a drink of water you ungrateful shrew.

I was just being neighborly.

I see and hear the words of the living God and always do exactly as he commands... perfectly.

So forgive me if I am firm in my faith, its hard to be humble when you are perfect in every way. lol.

You are not a part of the human race? Okay, I agree...
Such pride and prejudice. When will you ever learn...

 

[saveliberty]

The Bible says that baptism is for repentance. What does an infant have to repent for? Are infants even mentally capable of repentance?

May want to familiarize yourself with the term original sin.

 

[hobelim]

You are not a part of the human race? Okay, I agree...

If this is what you 'believe' being human is,

"We are all condemned to die spiritually and physically forever except for the atonement of Jesus Christ. Our natural state is carnal and devilish. We cannot avoid sin once we know we are sinning"

no, I'm not a part of whatever we is who can't stop sinning because Adam sinned in a fairy tale.

I am a strange contemptible creature who worships an unknown God, the only God in existence.

What in hell would you call a creature that worships a trinity and hopes to be god of their own planet in a universe where there is only one God? An unclean creature that does not ruminate.

NOT KOSHER!

I will say it again. Pay attention!

You make the same mistake Adam made in the fairy tale every time you go to church celebrating the death of Jesus and praying to a trinity hoping to be the god of your own planet one day.

Remember what Satan said 'You won't die, your eyes will be opened and you will be just like God.'

Pssst! There is no other God except my God anywhere in this universe whether seen or unseen.

YOUR PRIDE has made you believe that you can be a god. Now satan possesses your soul, satan being whatever or however many devils planted that ridiculous irrational bullcrap into your head.

Sucker.

You should thank God that you still have some time left to bear fruit worthy of repentance.

So piss off. You have a lot of work to do if you ever hope to know what its like to be a living being.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

May want to familiarize yourself with the term original sin.

Nice non-answer. How can a baby repent from anything? Why would anyone repent from a sin that he never committed? Why would a just God punish people for a sin that they didn't commit?

 

[Cougarbear]

If this is what you 'believe' being human is,

"We are all condemned to die spiritually and physically forever except for the atonement of Jesus Christ. Our natural state is carnal and devilish. We cannot avoid sin once we know we are sinning"

no, I'm not a part of whatever we is who can't stop sinning because Adam sinned in a fairy tale.

I am a strange contemptible creature who worships an unknown God, the only God in existence.

What in hell would you call a creature that worships a trinity and hopes to be god of their own planet in a universe where there is only one God? An unclean creature that does not ruminate.

NOT KOSHER!

I will say it again. Pay attention!

You make the same mistake Adam made in the fairy tale every time you go to church celebrating the death of Jesus and praying to a trinity hoping to be the god of your own planet one day.

Remember what Satan said 'You won't die, your eyes will be opened and you will be just like God.'

Pssst! There is no other God except my God anywhere in this universe whether seen or unseen.

YOUR PRIDE has made you believe that you can be a god. Now satan possesses your soul, satan being whatever or however many devils planted that ridiculous irrational bullcrap into your head.

Sucker.

You should thank God that you still have some time left to bear fruit worthy of repentance.

So piss off. You have a lot of work to do if you ever hope to know what its like to be a living being.

After Adam ate the fruit, God said Adam became like them. This is how deception works. Satan first says a lie. Then a truth. And, you have been deceived.

 

[Meriweather]

Nice non-answer. How can a baby repent from anything? Why would anyone repent from a sin that he never committed? Why would a just God punish people for a sin that they didn't commit?

It seems odd that some feel if a baby can't walk into church on his/her own to be baptized, it shouldn't happen. All throughout Jesus ministry, the deaf and dumb--and even those possessed by demons--were brought to Jesus. In at least two cases, Jesus was asked to heal those who weren't even in his presence. We can bet that later those who were healed heard all about Jesus.

It's hard to understand why people object to babies being brought into the presence of Jesus to be protected from sin. It's not as if Jesus did not show being deaf and/or dumb was no obstacle for him when people of faith brought the deaf and dumb to him.

 

[ding]

Nice non-answer. How can a baby repent from anything? Why would anyone repent from a sin that he never committed? Why would a just God punish people for a sin that they didn't commit?

Do you know for a fact God punishes anyone? I don't. My take on all of this is that "original sin" is a recognition of the nature of man; i.e. man's capacity to do good and evil. So when someone says "original sin" just think human nature instead. Does being baptized eliminate that human nature? No, of course not. Baptism is a forgiveness of one's human nature. So it makes perfect sense to baptize infants. But whether or not one is baptized, I'm pretty sure their human nature is forgiven. So in that light, baptism would be an induction into the community, which would also make sense to baptize infants.

Which begs the question... if baptism is a forgiveness of man's nature (which makes sense since God created us this way) what was the purpose of the crucifixion of Christ?

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Do you know for a fact God punishes anyone? I don't. My take on all of this is that "original sin" is a recognition of the nature of man; i.e. man's capacity to do good and evil. So when someone says "original sin" just think human nature instead. Does being baptized eliminate that human nature? No, of course not.

I'm not a Christian, or any kind of theist, so I'm just going by what the Bible says for the sake of discussion. It all seems silly to me.

Baptism is a forgiveness of one's human nature.

The Bible is quite clear, as I showed earlier in the thread, that baptism is about repentance. Repentance is a conscious choice which babies are incapable of.

Which begs the question... if baptism is a forgiveness of man's nature (which makes sense since God created us this way) what was the purpose of the crucifixion of Christ?

God gave us that nature so the whole idea of God forgiving it is pretty bizarre.

 

[ding]

I'm not a Christian, or any kind of theist, so I'm just going by what the Bible says for the sake of discussion. It all seems silly to me.

I know.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

It seems odd that some feel if a baby can't walk into church on his/her own to be baptized, it shouldn't happen. All throughout Jesus ministry, the deaf and dumb--and even those possessed by demons--were brought to Jesus. In at least two cases, Jesus was asked to heal those who weren't even in his presence. We can bet that later those who were healed heard all about Jesus.

It's hard to understand why people object to babies being brought into the presence of Jesus to be protected from sin. It's not as if Jesus did not show being deaf and/or dumb was no obstacle for him when people of faith brought the deaf and dumb to him.

Baptism isn't about protecting people from sin. Baptism is about repentance from sin.

 

[Picaro]

Free will in theology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ding]

The Bible is quite clear, as I showed earlier in the thread, that baptism is about repentance. Repentance is a conscious choice which babies are incapable of.

But you have already admitted that this isn't your faith and that it all seems silly to you. So I would expect that all of your interpretations are skewed towards the silly. Since it is my faith and I have interpretations that aren't skewed towards the silly, I don't see it your way. Lastly, it would be a no win situation to try to convince you otherwise. It's just faster to state the interpretations that aren't skewed to the silly and leave you to believe your silly interpretations are correct. I'm perfectly fine with what I wrote and see no reason to add anything to it. So I'd just be repeating myself anyway.

 

[ding]

God gave us that nature so the whole idea of God forgiving it is pretty bizarre.

Do you even believe in God or a Creator or anything beyond a material existence? Because otherwise, what are you even talking about here. You don't believe God gave us that nature because you don't believe in anything beyond a material existence so of course you are going to believe the whole idea of God forgiving it is pretty bizarre. But if you had read what I wrote, I didn't say God needed to forgive original sin. In fact, I argued God didn't need to forgive original sin.