Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

[ninja007]

ITS AMAZING HOW CATHOLICS DONT THINK THEY ARE SLAPPING JESUS IN THE FACE BY ADDING ANYTHING TO WHAT HE FINISHED. ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM THEY MUST DO MORE LOL.

 

[Meriweather]

His command wasn't to merely baptize. It was to repent and be baptized. The Catholic Church took repentance out of the equation and because they did, it brought about something that wasn't Biblical and followed a practice that Christ never said to do or practiced doing.

Repentance is a change of heart of sins of times past to Jesus. Before Jesus, people looked at what worked then. After Jesus, there was a change of heart. Catholic children grow up learning about Jesus, knowing Jesus, and following in his ways. Our focus is on Jesus.

Why do some seem to feel, that in order to turn to Jesus, a child's first focus should be on sin? Have their parents not turned to Jesus? Have their parents not turned from sin? Are they not already members of the Body of Christ? Are they not already living eternal life right here, right now, on earth? Their children, as children are closest to their parents, will be with them in the Kingdom living here on earth.

Jesus changed the world, and this is the good news we should be sharing with our children from the start. Think about it. Did Jews have to wait to become Jews and receive the sign they were Jews, a chosen people, until after they became adults and chose Judaism? Or, did they received the sign when they were babies? Catholics receive the sign they are members of the Body of Christ when they are babies.

Again: If you feel you have good reason not to baptize your children until later, or until they can make a choice, run with it. In Catholicism, our children join us as members of the Body of Christ and receive that sign, as babies.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Repentance is a change of heart of sins of times past to Jesus. Before Jesus, people looked at what worked then. After Jesus, there was a change of heart. Catholic children grow up learning about Jesus, knowing Jesus, and following in his ways. Our focus is on Jesus.

Why do some seem to feel, that in order to turn to Jesus, a child's first focus should be on sin? Have their parents not turned to Jesus? Have their parents not turned from sin? Are they not already members of the Body of Christ? Are they not already living eternal life right here, right now, on earth? Their children, as children are closest to their parents, will be with them in the Kingdom living here on earth.

Jesus changed the world, and this is the good news we should be sharing with our children from the start. Think about it. Did Jews have to wait to become Jews and receive the sign they were Jews, a chosen people, until after they became adults and chose Judaism? Or, did they received the sign when they were babies? Catholics receive the sign they are members of the Body of Christ when they are babies.

Again: If you feel you have good reason not to baptize your children until later, or until they can make a choice, run with it. In Catholicism, our children join us as members of the Body of Christ and receive that sign, as babies.

Your infant children are not members of "the Body of Christ"
Your beliefs are not biblically sound

I find this trait in so many of your cult. You love your traditions more than the clear word of God. You need to find repentance.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues

 

[Meriweather]

Break time!

A man is stumbling through the woods, totally drunk, when he comes upon a preacher Baptizing people.
He proceeds to walk into the water and subsequently bumps into the preacher...
The preacher turns around and is almost overcome by the smell of alcohol, whereupon he asks the drunk,

'Are you ready to find Jesus?'
The drunk shouts, 'Yes, I am.'

So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the water.
He pulls him up and asks the drunk, 'Brother have you found Jesus?'
The drunk replies, 'No, I haven't found Jesus.'

The preacher shocked at the answer, dunks him into the water again for a little longer.
He again pulls him out of the water and asks again, 'Have you found Jesus my brother?'
The drunk again answers, 'No, I haven't Found Jesus.'

By this time the preacher is at his wits end and dunks the drunk in the water again ---
But this time holds him down for about 30 seconds and when he begins kicking his arms and legs, so he pulls him up.

The preacher again asks the drunk, 'For the love of God have you found Jesus?'
The drunk wipes his eyes and catches his breath and says to the preacher, 'Are you sure this is where he fell in?'

 

[Frankenstein]

This sin of Adam’s was not your ordinary sin. This was a sin that affected all mankind forever.

The infant part is at John 3:3

That isn't baptism!

 

[Meriweather]

I mean... I'm seriously stunned that you could say something like "who's to say which is the doctrine of men" ..... unless you don't believe the bible at all?

(Emphasis in the above quote mine) That's quite an accusation--and quite a belief you hold of me. Moving on...

How many times did Jesus work miracles because someone other than the person he healed requested that healing? How many did he return to life due to the sorrow/needs of the living? What about people who were brought to Jesus because they could not make it on their own or could not make it at all?

How many said they repented of their sins or even asked Jesus for forgiveness before he simply told them, "Your sins are forgiven." ? Of the many people Jesus healed, how many did he first ask, "Do you want to be healed?" before he healed them?

I trust you do read, study the Bible. You know Jesus healed children. You know he said let the children come to me. You have read where entire households have been baptized. And you know Jesus healed/saved/brought to life because others brought them to Jesus, even asked for Jesus saving power to work from afar.

Despite all of this, you protest Catholic parents bringing their children to baptism, dismissing all the times that before anyone ever asked, Jesus declared, "Your sins are forgiven".

Again, those who want their children to wait for baptism, have their reasons, and that deserves respect, you have your Bible verses, Bible studies. But also deserving respect are those who bring babies to Jesus to be baptized who have their own verses, Bible studies...and great faith.

 

[hobelim]

After Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, they were changed into mortality. The words are clear in the Bible. Maybe you should learn to read.

learn to read yourself!

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand, take from the fruit of the tree of life, eat, and live forever“ So he drove the man out...

The man was driven out of Eden before he ate from the tree of life to live forever.

Yes. The words are very clear.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You have read where entire households have been baptized.

It doesn't say or even imply children and certainly not infants

And no, error isn't "deserving of respect"

 

[Cougarbear]

learn to read yourself!

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand, take from the fruit of the tree of life, eat, and live forever“ So he drove the man out...

The man was driven out of Eden before he ate from the tree of life to live forever.

Yes. The words are very clear.

Comprehension seems to be your challenge. Had he been able to take the fruit of the tree of life after he he ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge, he would have not left the garden. He would have been as the city of Enoch and been raise directly to paradise.

 

[hobelim]

Comprehension seems to be your challenge.

Thats a laugh!

Had he been able to take the fruit of the tree of life after he he ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge, he would have not left the garden. He would have been as the city of Enoch and been raise directly to paradise.

Ahem. He would have this or that? seriously? You forgot to include God in your speculations. He died in the very same day that he ate of the forbidden fruit, yet he continued to live a physical life

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? Think! You can do it! Its a fairy tale!

Since Adam did not eat the fruit of the tree of life before he was expelled from paradise he was, expelled mortal. Just like every single creature that has ever lived on this planet is born and dies.

Shit, even Jesus who ascended into heaven while he was living on earth died a physical death.

Like Jesus said, "sinners and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of heaven" (ahead of the pharisees) while they were still alive. Yet still every single one of them died a physical death.

Even Elijah being "taken up" in a whirlwind was just a euphemism that he was murdered by a mob

There is and has never been a time when human beings were born immortal or avoided death. Do you actually feed your children this vile and loathsome reality defying mind numbing crap? WTF!
While you sit there scratching your silly head wondering whats wrong with the world? Gays! Sex! Drugs! Rock and roll! Libs! Dems! Immigrants! Abortion! Everyone and everything but yourself. lol.

Putz.

When Jesus floats down from the sky one fine day you are gonna have a lot of 'splainin to do.

 

[hobelim]

ITS AMAZING HOW CATHOLICS DONT THINK THEY ARE SLAPPING JESUS IN THE FACE BY ADDING ANYTHING TO WHAT HE FINISHED. ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM THEY MUST DO MORE LOL.

Ha ha


You might not realize this being a such a believer and all but the story of Christ has always been from the beginning a story only half told that was to completed in what was once a distant future.

Nation will rise against nation, wars, earthquakes, false prophets, the diaspora, the antichrist, persecution, the tribulation, the ingathering, and all that stuff, before the Son of God is revealed

 

[buttercup]

(Emphasis in the above quote mine) That's quite an accusation--and quite a belief you hold of me. Moving on...

Wrong, you're ignoring the word "unless" and also the question mark.

You also completely ignored the main point, that there are numerous clear examples of water baptism in the bible and none of them were babies. They were all people who believed, repented and made the choice to follow Jesus. Plus JESUS Himself got water baptized as a grown adult, not a baby.

That's why I said "How can you say with a straight face who's to say which is the doctrine of men?"

I stand by what I said. Your comment in post #308 blows my mind and makes no sense unless you completely disregard the bible as a source of support for any doctrine.

 

[forkintheroad7]

How does anyone repent for a sin s/he didn't commit? There was a time in the early Church that people decided no one could repent of a sin they had not yet committed...so they waited until their deathbed to be baptized so that all sins were forgiven.

Next, when was Christ baptized--At the beginning of his ministry? In the middle of it? At the end?

The Catholic faith has referred to Baptism as a Sacrament of Initiation into the Body of Christ. Adam and Eve represent the sin of turning away from God. Baptism/Christ is the spiritual reality of turning instead to God. Do we want new life to be guided in the way of Adam and Eve (the ways of the world) or from the beginning do we want our children to be guided in the ways of Christ? When following Christ, do we wait for someplace in the middle as some do today, do we wait until the end as some did in times past? Or do we follow Christ and baptize at the beginning of one's life in the Body of Christ? Catholics choose the beginning.

I have never heard of this, that the Church did not at first baptize infants. So I'll comment on what I do know.

Baptism is to wash away original sin. And YES, this is in the Scriptures. I think it is the Chapter of John, where it says Baptism being of the like kind [or words to that effect, meaning just as the Flood waters washed away man's sin, baptism] "now saves you."

So you apparently do not believe that (going by your words here). You seem to think baptism only initiates someone into Christ's Church, which it does but it also washes away original sin and I know that the Church has always or virtually always taught that. The thing is, though, people in the novus ordo CULT have been taught NON-Catholic principles for something like 65 years. True Catholicism was shoved aside at Vatican II by Communists and other nefarious types. Heresy replaced it.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I follow God's law I am a member of the LDS and we are the only true church

If the LDS were the true Church, it would have been around in the first century. But only the Catholic Faith has been around that long.

 

[Meriweather]

That's why I said "How can you say with a straight face who's to say which is the doctrine of men?"

I stand by what I said. Your comment in post #308 blows my mind and makes no sense unless you completely disregard the bible as a source of support for any doctrine.

Does the Bible permit women ministers to baptize? Should women ministers perform baptisms. Some do. Why? Even though the Bible does not give a specific example of a woman performing baptisms, women still perform baptisms. Why? Because the Bible does not explicitly prohibit a woman from performing baptisms. Nor does the Bible explicitly prohibit the baptism of babies.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

But only the Catholic Faith has been around that long

That's not true but you keep spreading that lie.

The Catholic Church is NOT the Jerusalem Church of the first century. In fact, your church is the polar opposite of the Jerusalem Church. Your church sprang up decades later under Simon Magus.

 

[hobelim]

If the LDS were the true Church, it would have been around in the first century. But only the Catholic Faith has been around that long.

Nonsense. What was around in the first century was Mithraism, the secret "mystery religion" of the Roman government and military that originated in Babylon upon which Catholicism is based and copies exactly the same seven sacraments of Mithraism, including partaking in the divine nature of Mithras by eating bread marked with the Mithran cross, and drinking the blood of a bull.

Mithraism mysteriously lol "disappeared" in the 4th century when Christianity was assimilated and perverted by this pagan roman religion, a secret "MYSTERY RELIGION" that originated in Babylon

 

[forkintheroad7]

I notice how Meriweather just skipped over my comments RE recent history of Catholicism

Truth hurts, I suppose

Guess what hurts MORE, though: NOT having the Truth.. That can hurt for all eternity. Somewhere in the Scripture we are told that those who are rejected and end up in Hell are there because they loved not the Truth.

 

[Meriweather]

I have never heard of this, that the Church did not at first baptize infants. So I'll comment on what I do know.

Baptism is to wash away original sin. And YES, this is in the Scriptures. I think it is the Chapter of John, where it says Baptism being of the like kind [or words to that effect, meaning just as the Flood waters washed away man's sin, baptism] "now saves you."

So you apparently do not believe that (going by your words here). You seem to think baptism only initiates someone into Christ's Church, which it does but it also washes away original sin and I know that the Church has always or virtually always taught that. The thing is, though, people in the novus ordo CULT have been taught NON-Catholic principles for something like 65 years. True Catholicism was shoved aside at Vatican II by Communists and other nefarious types. Heresy replaced it.

Of course, baptism washes away all sins present, and that includes Original Sin which started mankind down the path to disobedience. Baptism provides grace and justification/purification. Repentance is the turning away from sin. That being the case, we 'repented' (turned away) from all sins we never committed. I believe God's grace, God's justification/purification can be credited for the baptized turning away from a sin before s/he committed that sin.

Using the etymology of 'repentance', the turning away from sin, does that mean we must commit sin before we can repent of a sin? Or does it mean, we can turn away from ever committing that sin?

Baptism is known as a Sacrament of Initiation because one is turning away from the world and to God. The baptized are anointed priest, prophet, king and are full members of the Body of Christ. The baptized receive gifts of grace and justification, and the Holy Spirit comes down upon them.

 

[Meriweather]

The Catholic Church is NOT the Jerusalem Church of the first century. In fact, your church is the polar opposite of the Jerusalem Church. Your church sprang up decades later under Simon Magus.

You truly hate the Catholic Church don't you, because of its name. The Church Christ formed began with Jesus saying, "Upon this rock I will build my church." On Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles and disciples, and they went forth forming congregations throughout the known world. Jesus gave Peter the keys to this church and these keys were passed on generation after generation. The congregations became known as catholic, meaning open and welcoming to all. Language changes. A normal adjective, 'catholic', also took root as (as many words do) a noun.

The fact you must lie alerts all to how terrified you are the the Apostolic succession and the members of the early Church.

You don't even know the history of Simon Magus, and are apparently hoping no one else does either. Begone.