Zone1 Where does atheist morality come from?

[Paradoxical#1]

So whatever you say needs no evidentiary support. You were the guy that said he only believes in things based upon evidence, right?

Yes. I am. And you don't understand what evidence is and want me to accept your faith or belief(s) as evidence. Let me know when you come up with evidence that your Bible God exists and that you won a Nobel prize because you were the first.

 

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Yes. I am. And you don't understand what evidence is and want me to accept your faith or belief(s) as evidence. Let me know when you come up with evidence that your Bible God exists and that you won a Nobel prize because you were the first.

It's you who has no concept of what evidence is. You go by feelings.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

It's you who has no concept of what evidence is. You go by feelings.

Your projection of who and what you do is annoying. To say that someone who needs evidence of your contrived bible god goes by feelings whereas those who imagine virgin births, eating the body of Christ in a wafer, blood, and animal sacrifices, that slavery is OK, women are inferior goes by feelings whereas you go by facts is the height of stupidity.

 

[BothWings]

Where does religious morality come from?

Did they just invent it one day?

One day killing other people was perfectly fine, then the next day they decided it was wrong?

Perhaps religious morality came from human morality before the religion turned it into religious morality.

And perhaps organized religions threw their little twists and supernatural threats into it in order to scare people into being good and obedient.

 

[rightwinger]

It's you who has no concept of what evidence is. You go by feelings.

Faith is based on feelings
Atheism is based on a lack of evidence

 

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Faith is based on feelings
Atheism is based on a lack of evidence

Not for me. I never put faith in anything without good reason.

You shouldn't be defining atheism in the negative. The affirmative definition is atheism is a belief that the material world is all that exists.

 

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Your projection of who and what you do is annoying. To say that someone who needs evidence of your contrived bible god goes by feelings whereas those who imagine virgin births, eating the body of Christ in a wafer, blood, and animal sacrifices, that slavery is OK, women are inferior goes by feelings whereas you go by facts is the height of stupidity.

You said everything you do and believe is based on evidence. Do you want to take that back now?

 

[rightwinger]

Not for me. I never put faith in anything without good reason.

You shouldn't be defining atheism in the negative. The affirmative definition is atheism is a belief in only the material world.

Faith is belief without proof

By definition, Atheism is nonbelief

 

[Paradoxical#1]

And perhaps organized religions threw their little twists and supernatural threats into it in order to scare people into being good and obedient.

The triune god was not believed for centuries. Jesus was thought to be only a son and therefore not the real god, but his son. They had various cults going around preaching different things for 300 years. Just like the evil politicians of today and the evil bishops who cavorted with Hitler, the cultists colluded with Emperor Constantine to control the populace with an imaginary sky daddy god. The church fathers were ordered to agree on dogma which was that Jesus was part of a trinity. The most stupid concept ever conceived. That way their religion could boast a god that was equal to his dad. Of course, that contrived god demanded obedience and subservience and Constantine needed help in controlling his rebellious subjects. The church got money and Constantine built them churches for free.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You said everything you do and believe is based on evidence. Do you want to take that back now?

Why should I? When YOU present evidence of your sky daddy cop god, let me know. Your attempt at burden-shifting is just as annoying as you are.

When you do engineering do you rely on faith or do you make sure you have proof that your equations and math are based on solid evidence? If you base your engineering plans on faith, let me know what buildings you worked on so I can be sure not to go into any of them.

 

[ding]

Faith is belief without proof

By definition, Atheism is nonbelief

Maybe for you. Not for me.

Again... atheism is the belief that all that exists is the material world.

 

[ding]

Why should I? When YOU present evidence of your sky daddy cop god, let me know. Your attempt at burden-shifting is just as annoying as you are.

When you do engineering do you rely on faith or do you make sure you have proof that your equations and math are based on solid evidence? If you base your engineering plans on faith, let me know what buildings you worked on so I can be sure not to go into any of them.

I already did. Creation itself is the evidence. The universe popping into existence not being created from existing matter being hardwired to produce intelligence is my evidence.

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe for you. Not for me.

Again... atheism is the belief that all that exists is the material world.

Until better proof is provided

Still waiting

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I already did. Creation itself is the evidence. The universe popping into existence not being created from existing matter being hardwired to produce intelligence is my evidence.

You are again trying to shoehorn in a Christian god concept into how the universe came into being. Many Christians don't like the answer of "I don't know." Some scientists assert that something can come from nothing. Personally, I don't pretend to know the answer. Nor do you. On the one hand, Christians want to say something can come from nothing but "god" did or that god is eternal but the universe isn't. They want their cake and eat it too by just making shit up.

 

[ding]

Until better proof is provided

Still waiting

And I couldn't be happier for you. Lots of people only have a conceptual belief. The magic happens when it's more than that. So the chances are even if you did convince yourself, it probably wouldn't be more than conceptual anyway.

 

[ding]

You are again trying to shoehorn in a Christian god concept into how the universe came into being. Many Christians don't like the answer of "I don't know." Some scientists assert that something can come from nothing. Personally, I don't pretend to know the answer. Nor do you. On the one hand, Christians want to say something can come from nothing but "god" did or that god is eternal but the universe isn't. They want their cake and eat it too by just making shit up.

I'm not trying to do anything. I couldn't care what you believe. Go be happy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I'm not trying to do anything. I couldn't care what you believe. Go be happy.

You are. It's why you post your nonsense here as if it is a fact.

 

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You are. It's why you post your nonsense here as if it is a fact.

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that.

 

[shockedcanadian]

How can an atheist claim to have morals, other than by stealing morals from other sources such as the Bible, or the law of the state or nation in which they live?

For that matter, there is no way to know what every individual's morals are or where they come from, so how do we know that an atheist has morals to begin with just because they say they do?

It arises subconsciously from the Torah. Often translated into legal and moral writing of the great writers of our time, from James Madison to Charles Dickens.

However, the further society moves away from religion the least relevant these time tested and G-d ordained ideals are not considered and thus you reach the stage of "I can do whatever I want even if it harms someone else because it's all about me".

Freedom is precious, difficult to maintain and complicated in some instances. G-d made it easy for us but increasingly we reject the message.

Thus, each individual, often Atheist citizen chooses their own morality. They are playing G-d, As are many agencies and sometimes even leaders,

This will not end well for freedom, democracy and civil discourse,

 

[rightwinger]

And I couldn't be happier for you. Lots of people only have a conceptual belief. The magic happens when it's more than that. So the chances are even if you did convince yourself, it probably wouldn't be more than conceptual anyway.

Magic is the word