Zone1 Where does atheist morality come from?

[The Duke]

God was really moral when he made up rules about beating slaves and if they didn't die, you were cool? He was super moral when he offed the entire human race. Even more moral when he created the devil.

Are you folks suggesting that humans need some invisible imaginary god to not kill or steal? Did you know that most people in jail are Christians?

So this is the Brain Rot, huh? Not pretty.
Pretty Skibity.

 

[The Duke]

Except...it is not a "word game" but analogy, summed up with Seek and you will find.

Oh! That one works! Not always the 1st time around.

 

[The Duke]

That's not a serious question, is it? "Oh, we didn't want to kill all of the Amalekites including even the animals. God told us to do that." and of course, it wasn't Moses saying to the Israelites to kill all the men, boys, and non-virgin women but to spare the virgin girls for themselves. That was "God".

That seems like some pretty higher thinking to me.
Especially at that point in time.
No Amalekite sympathizers would be left like Gaza Palestinians are.
Sons and daughters of Hagar is who they are, but you don't know about those things.
Ishmael was their father.

 

[The Duke]

Atheists are moral because they have a conscience
Christians fear what God will do to them

Atheists are moral because God imprints himself on every human being in some way or another.
However, no man is capable of coming up with the same standard of morality as God sets, so..
that's how it is in my mind. God has set the ultimate morality.
Objective God-laid-down morality is the ultimate standard to which anything has to live up to and cannot.

 

[Meriweather]

This is the thing with Catholics in particular. They are given the horrid beliefs of the Catholic Church which included slavery, God thinks homosexuals are an abomination, no marriage outside the church, women are inferior, and that a nonbelief gets you into hell a Catholic quotes Paul who made an uncorroborated claim of a vision of Jesus as their "out".

Where is your evidence of this vision or that Paul was even an apostle or that he wasn't creating a new religion that made him a hero?

1. Tell me how many times you heard this in homilies or in the classroom.
2. Women are not inferior. Where did you get that idea.
3. The Catholic Church does not validate marriages outside the Church as Catholic marriages. So what?
4. God condemns the act, not the people.
5. No, non-belief does not get you into hell. Rejecting God (meaning you believe in him and reject him anyway) is what gets someone to hell. They choose hell. Try a more in depth reading of Catholic teaching on this.
6. You have made it clear to us that any opinion other than your own be it Paul's, Lincoln's, Washington, etc. you dismiss as authoritarian and therefore does not count. Paul's experiences don't count, nor do the experiences of any Saint, nor experiences of people living today. We get it...and give it a pass.

Does atheism work for you? My rule of thumb is that any belief that relies on tearing down and bashing another's beliefs is a weak belief not worth considering. Any belief should be strong enough to stand on its own. Going by this standard, consider the possibility that you are not that strong of an atheist since you rely so heavily on tearing down religion/faith. Atheism should stand on its own. It has for the atheists in my family. There was never this need to denigrate religion/faith. Also, the people of faith in my family never felt a need to convert or denigrate atheism/non-belief. Our testimony is our lives, and we trust in the Holy Spirit to take it from there.

 

[Meriweather]

Oh! That one works! Not always the 1st time around.

It took me ten years, and that led me to further seeking.

 

[BreezeWood]

Objective God-laid-down morality is the ultimate standard to which anything has to live up to and cannot.

- you mean people like the liars moses and abraham that use false heavenly persuasion to insure their way than to stand openly as their own beliefs they know no one would care to bother with - false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religions of apartheid.

 

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- you mean people like the liars moses and abraham that use false heavenly persuasion to insure their way than to stand openly as their own beliefs they know no one would care to bother with - false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religions of apartheid.

You're a card carrying communist, aren't you?

 

[The Duke]

- you mean people like the liars moses and abraham that use false heavenly persuasion to insure their way than to stand openly as their own beliefs they know no one would care to bother with - false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religions of apartheid.

You can talk your garbage, but you do not have a better plan. Dismissed.
Also something I know is that God created this world, and there are set rules that work like clockwork within it.
If you do evil, you will be cursed and 3 generations after you will be.
If you steal, you lose twice whatever it is.
Nobody ever gets away with anything. God sees all, and you better know it.
Muslims think Allah cannot see what they do at night or when they're out to sea, so some
of them do depraved things at those times. Their Allah does not see it, but My God, the Creator of this world does. Their wickedness will not be unpunished.
Islam is a fake religion. It's really a world domination plan that plays to human beings most depraved instincts. 5-600 years after the real church was (re) established (by Jesus) is when Islam came along.
Did Muhammed die for the sins of all man? No.
He married a 9 year old and had sex with her.
We are not the same. He was a son of Hagar and Ishmael.

 

[rightwinger]

Atheists are moral because God imprints himself on every human being in some way or another.

So religion is not necessary
You can’t have it both ways.

Humans have love and compassion. That is where our morality comes from

It doesn’t require a God

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You can talk your garbage, but you do not have a better plan. Dismissed.
Also something I know is that God created this world, and there are set rules that work like clockwork within it.
If you do evil, you will be cursed and 3 generations after you will be.
If you steal, you lose twice whatever it is.
Nobody ever gets away with anything. God sees all, and you better know it.
Muslims think Allah cannot see what they do at night or when they're out to sea, so some
of them do depraved things at those times. Their Allah does not see it, but My God, the Creator of this world does. Their wickedness will not be unpunished.
Islam is a fake religion. It's really a world domination plan that plays to human beings most depraved instincts. 5-600 years after the real church was (re) established (by Jesus) is when Islam came along.
Did Muhammed die for the sins of all man? No.
He married a 9 year old and had sex with her.
We are not the same. He was a son of Hagar and Ishmael.

Christianity was before them and they tried to outdo the fakery of Christianity.

 

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Christianity was before them and they tried to outdo the fakery of Christianity.

What "fakery of Christianity" are you talking about?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

What "fakery of Christianity" are you talking about?

That's like asking what fakery of Superman.

 

[ding]

That's like asking what fakery of Superman.

If you can't back up your claims maybe don't make them and then I won't have to expose that you have feelings instead of facts.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

If you can't back up your claims maybe don't make them and then I won't have to expose that you have feelings instead of facts.

I made no affirmative claim. Can you prove Spiderman isn't real? After all, New York exists.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I made no affirmative claim. Can you prove Spiderman isn't real? After all, New York exists.

Spider-Man, also known as Peter Parker, is famously from New York City. His story is deeply tied to the city—he grew up in Queens, attended school there, and swings through Manhattan fighting crime. The city’s towering skyscrapers and bustling streets are the perfect backdrop for his web-slinging adventures.

New York is practically another character in Spider-Man’s world, shaping his experiences and challenges as he navigates life as both a hero and an ordinary guy.

I presume you believe in Spiderman since I laid out the story and we all know New York is a real place. No one so far who I have challenged has been able to disprove my belief. Therefore, Spiderman exists.

 

[rightwinger]

Spider-Man, also known as Peter Parker, is famously from New York City. His story is deeply tied to the city—he grew up in Queens, attended school there, and swings through Manhattan fighting crime. The city’s towering skyscrapers and bustling streets are the perfect backdrop for his web-slinging adventures.

New York is practically another character in Spider-Man’s world, shaping his experiences and challenges as he navigates life as both a hero and an ordinary guy.

I presume you believe in Spiderman since I laid out the story and we all know New York is a real place. No one so far who I have challenged has been able to disprove my belief. Therefore, Spiderman exists.

I have faith that Spider-Man exists

 

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I made no affirmative claim. Can you prove Spiderman isn't real? After all, New York exists.

Sure you did. You claimed Christianity is fakery. For a guy who claimed he doesn't believe things without evidence you sure do make a lot of statements that have no evidence.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Sure you did. You claimed Christianity is fakery. For a guy who claimed he doesn't believe things without evidence you sure do make a lot of statements that have no evidence.

It’s fake until you prove it’s real.

 

[ding]

It’s fake until you prove it’s real.

So whatever you say needs no evidentiary support. You were the guy that said he only believes in things based upon evidence, right?