Where did marriage go?

[OldLady]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

Votto, I realize this is a political board, but this is not a political thread. Please take your partisan mudslinging to another thread--you've got plenty to choose from. If you can stick to the topic, I welcome more of your comments.

 

[OldLady]

It is inarguable that children need consistency and stability at home to thrive. The stresses of single parents and the confusion and attachment issues of serial "daddies" who are in and out of the home is not the optimal situation for healthy development. The children of single parents tend to have a lot more social problems--depression, substance abuse, gang involvement--on and on. That doesn't mean they all will, but enough do that being parented in a chaotic household with a stressed out caregiver who is usually too busy to pay you much attention is known to be not great.

Well, the good news is that teenage pregnancy is DOWN. Let's keep that going in that direction. I think, though, people need to be aware that a stable relationship between two caring adults who are committed to raising a child ALL THE WAY THROUGH is going to give kids the best chance.

Mental health, drug abuse, and incarceration all get in the way of stable families, as well.

I started this thread mostly to address the repeated claims by 2AGuy that all this violence in the 'ghetto' is caused by young teenage girls. There is a LOT more to it than that.

Single parents can do fine. . . .. . IF they put their children first.

It all comes down to unconditional love.


The problem in our culture is selfishness and a culture of "ME." Adults think their relationships should be like the ones they see on TEE VEE and in the movies, and they think their happiness is just as important as the well being and mental stability of their children.

There is nothing worse than watching a formally stable home with children, disintegrate, and then watching the woman spend all her time trying to find love.


One can't help but wonder how that affects the kids?


Probably the best way to reduce the divorce rate is to automatically give child custody to men if marriages do not work out, unless the guy was A) unfaithful or B) Beating her.

If for any other reason she leaves? The kids go to him.

I am willing to bet, the divorce rate in this nation would plummet.

they think their happiness is just as important as the well being and mental stability of their children.
One needs to be careful there. If parents DON'T take care of themselves, they will be miserable parents, too. Every car needs fuel to run, including parents. I'm afraid even adults who have weathered their parents' divorce have trouble remembering how tough that is on kids, the years they were raised by one depressed, overworked and frazzled parent. I agree with you, Mr. Beale, that some people don't take into consideration how it impacts the kids; they are too busy being impacted themselves.

Of course, if the parents do nothing but scream and throw plates at each other, dad beats mom or mom is a raging drug addict who can't take care of herself let alone a child, a divorce is probably the better option if those problems can't be solved.

I'm glad to hear that 2/3 of people who marry stay married for life. That's good.
The marriage license itself or the religious ceremony itself is not the important thing: if you are going to have children, though, the commitment is.

People have to work at happiness, it just does not come to them easily or naturally, and chasing tail and ending a marriage just because it may make you happy easily and temporarily is not the answer.

No, you're right, but has there ever been a life long marriage with no affair? I've seen marriages dissolve because of one and I've seen marriages battle through it and survive.

Of course there are.

Billy Graham was one such individual. Someone sat down with him once and asked how he escaped such scandals.

He simply said that he made it a point never to be alone in the same room with a member of the opposite sex.

But usually it takes a person of faith to have such a determined commitment. In fact, that is what the early church was known for, not sleeping around. They were the odd balls and were subsequently thrown to the lions.

Now if everyone could bring that same kind of commitment to raising their children, we'd be in business. Seems kind of an extreme solution on Pastor Graham's part, though.

 

[Votto]

It is inarguable that children need consistency and stability at home to thrive. The stresses of single parents and the confusion and attachment issues of serial "daddies" who are in and out of the home is not the optimal situation for healthy development. The children of single parents tend to have a lot more social problems--depression, substance abuse, gang involvement--on and on. That doesn't mean they all will, but enough do that being parented in a chaotic household with a stressed out caregiver who is usually too busy to pay you much attention is known to be not great.

Well, the good news is that teenage pregnancy is DOWN. Let's keep that going in that direction. I think, though, people need to be aware that a stable relationship between two caring adults who are committed to raising a child ALL THE WAY THROUGH is going to give kids the best chance.

Mental health, drug abuse, and incarceration all get in the way of stable families, as well.

I started this thread mostly to address the repeated claims by 2AGuy that all this violence in the 'ghetto' is caused by young teenage girls. There is a LOT more to it than that.

Single parents can do fine. . . .. . IF they put their children first.

It all comes down to unconditional love.


The problem in our culture is selfishness and a culture of "ME." Adults think their relationships should be like the ones they see on TEE VEE and in the movies, and they think their happiness is just as important as the well being and mental stability of their children.

There is nothing worse than watching a formally stable home with children, disintegrate, and then watching the woman spend all her time trying to find love.


One can't help but wonder how that affects the kids?


Probably the best way to reduce the divorce rate is to automatically give child custody to men if marriages do not work out, unless the guy was A) unfaithful or B) Beating her.

If for any other reason she leaves? The kids go to him.

I am willing to bet, the divorce rate in this nation would plummet.

Bad plan. The female would then have to prove to a court that there was abuse even though she never filed a complaint. The best way to get people family motivated to look for long lasting meaningful is put long lasting relationships back into the limelight. Our media has spent decades tearing that down.

In what ways is "our media tearing that down?"

Perhaps you should open your eyes and pay attention. If you have not seen it I can't make you see it.

No, I certainly haven't seen that the Democrats or the "left" is anymore anti-marriage than anyone else. In real life, that is.

Single parents can do fine. . . .. . IF they put their children first.

It all comes down to unconditional love.


The problem in our culture is selfishness and a culture of "ME." Adults think their relationships should be like the ones they see on TEE VEE and in the movies, and they think their happiness is just as important as the well being and mental stability of their children.

There is nothing worse than watching a formally stable home with children, disintegrate, and then watching the woman spend all her time trying to find love.


One can't help but wonder how that affects the kids?


Probably the best way to reduce the divorce rate is to automatically give child custody to men if marriages do not work out, unless the guy was A) unfaithful or B) Beating her.

If for any other reason she leaves? The kids go to him.

I am willing to bet, the divorce rate in this nation would plummet.

they think their happiness is just as important as the well being and mental stability of their children.
One needs to be careful there. If parents DON'T take care of themselves, they will be miserable parents, too. Every car needs fuel to run, including parents. I'm afraid even adults who have weathered their parents' divorce have trouble remembering how tough that is on kids, the years they were raised by one depressed, overworked and frazzled parent. I agree with you, Mr. Beale, that some people don't take into consideration how it impacts the kids; they are too busy being impacted themselves.

Of course, if the parents do nothing but scream and throw plates at each other, dad beats mom or mom is a raging drug addict who can't take care of herself let alone a child, a divorce is probably the better option if those problems can't be solved.

I'm glad to hear that 2/3 of people who marry stay married for life. That's good.
The marriage license itself or the religious ceremony itself is not the important thing: if you are going to have children, though, the commitment is.

People have to work at happiness, it just does not come to them easily or naturally, and chasing tail and ending a marriage just because it may make you happy easily and temporarily is not the answer.

No, you're right, but has there ever been a life long marriage with no affair? I've seen marriages dissolve because of one and I've seen marriages battle through it and survive.

Of course there are.

Billy Graham was one such individual. Someone sat down with him once and asked how he escaped such scandals.

He simply said that he made it a point never to be alone in the same room with a member of the opposite sex.

But usually it takes a person of faith to have such a determined commitment. In fact, that is what the early church was known for, not sleeping around. They were the odd balls and were subsequently thrown to the lions.

Now if everyone could bring that same kind of commitment to raising their children, we'd be in business. Seems kind of an extreme solution on Pastor Graham's part, though.

Just like raising children is not easy, having a good marriage is not easy, and having a relationship with God is not easy either.

Graham did well with all three because of his love for his wife, children and most importantly his God who gave him the strength and wisdom.

And this is what is lacking in culture, the thought that things that are hard no longer make me happy, so I'm off to something easy.

Hence the rabid drug culture and divorce rates.

 

[Votto]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

Votto, I realize this is a political board, but this is not a political thread. Please take your partisan mudslinging to another thread--you've got plenty to choose from. If you can stick to the topic, I welcome more of your comments.

You can't start a thread about marriage, which the state controls, and not expect to talk about how the state is socially engineering it.

 

[OldLady]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

Votto, I realize this is a political board, but this is not a political thread. Please take your partisan mudslinging to another thread--you've got plenty to choose from. If you can stick to the topic, I welcome more of your comments.

You can't start a thread about marriage, which the state controls, and not expect to talk about how the state is socially engineering it.

Please?

 

[anynameyouwish]

Could we get back to the question of this thread: How do we ensure kids a decent childhood in this brave new world?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

 

[OldLady]

Could we get back to the question of this thread: How do we ensure kids a decent childhood in this brave new world?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Could we get back to the question of this thread: How do we ensure kids a decent childhood in this brave new world?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

 

[OldLady]

Wow. I thought this would be a gentle thread; never posted in Health and Lifestyle before; thought it would be kinda laid back.
People are firing off like popcorn kernels on a hot skillet.

Forget divorce--there are too many parents who aren't even thinking about long term commitment. Probably they weren't raised in a stable home, either. These things are definitely generational. We tend to parent the way we were parented and we tend to take on the adult roles in relationships that our parents had. As a general rule, that is, unless there is a conscious intervention. Even then, we tend to repeat the past.

 

[OldLady]

Could we get back to the question of this thread: How do we ensure kids a decent childhood in this brave new world?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

would you store your grain in a pyramid?

Could we get back to the question of this thread: How do we ensure kids a decent childhood in this brave new world?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

"I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians. "


just following the logic;

they speak out against divorce
they are always talking about the period of fertility for women ( better have those kids before you are 30!)
and they want those kids raised by 2 parents...

so...marry young....have kids.....don't get divorced....

 

[Vastator]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

would you store your grain in a pyramid?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

"I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians. "


just following the logic;

they speak out against divorce
they are always talking about the period of fertility for women ( better have those kids before you are 30!)
and they want those kids raised by 2 parents...

so...marry young....have kids.....don't get divorced....

Fertility is a biological fact.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

would you store your grain in a pyramid?

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

"I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians. "


just following the logic;

they speak out against divorce
they are always talking about the period of fertility for women ( better have those kids before you are 30!)
and they want those kids raised by 2 parents...

so...marry young....have kids.....don't get divorced....

Fertility is a biological fact.

and the biological facts are that women can have kids well into their 30's and 40's.

 

[Vastator]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

would you store your grain in a pyramid?

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

"I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians. "


just following the logic;

they speak out against divorce
they are always talking about the period of fertility for women ( better have those kids before you are 30!)
and they want those kids raised by 2 parents...

so...marry young....have kids.....don't get divorced....

Fertility is a biological fact.

and the biological facts are that women can have kids well into their 30's and 40's.

Women having children in their 40's requires luck, and heroic amounts of modern medical intervention. What you're suggesting is the same lie so many childless feminists bought into. Even barring the obstacles theyre lucky to be able to have one. One... not the quality of woman a man is likely to choose when he has plans on a family. He can more easily invest his time, and commitment into a younger, prettier, more fertile woman who will more efficiently bear him more children , than the worn out road whore you glorify. And while the younger woman is busy rearing her children the old cat lady is staring down the barrel of dying childless, face down in the litter box of decades of bad decisions...

 

[OldLady]

Well conservatives harp on traditional family values, and no, just because Republicans talk about it does not mean they believe in it, they just recognize how their base thinks.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Dan Quayle who first used the term and was derided by the Left to scorn.

For the Left, all that matters is obtaining money to redistribute. For them, this will cure all of our ills.

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

would you store your grain in a pyramid?

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

"I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians. "


just following the logic;

they speak out against divorce
they are always talking about the period of fertility for women ( better have those kids before you are 30!)
and they want those kids raised by 2 parents...

so...marry young....have kids.....don't get divorced....

Fertility is a biological fact.

and the biological facts are that women can have kids well into their 30's and 40's.

Let's not pretend it doesn't become riskier, and harder to conceive, at the top end of 30 and into the 40's. Plus you'll be 60--ready to retire--while your kids are graduating high school? There is something to be said for young(er) parents--lots more energy, to begin with. Not to say it can't be or isn't done, but there is something to be said for marrying in the 20's. How about if everyone is free to decide when they're ready, without being criticized for it?

 

[OldLady]

They were brutal towards Dan Quayle.

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

would you store your grain in a pyramid?

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

"I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians. "


just following the logic;

they speak out against divorce
they are always talking about the period of fertility for women ( better have those kids before you are 30!)
and they want those kids raised by 2 parents...

so...marry young....have kids.....don't get divorced....

Fertility is a biological fact.

and the biological facts are that women can have kids well into their 30's and 40's.

Women having children in their 40's requires luck, and heroic amounts of modern medical intervention. What you're suggesting is the same lie so many childless feminists bought into. Even barring the obstacles theyre lucky to be able to have one. One... not the quality of woman a man is likely to choose when he has plans on a family. He can more easily invest his time, and commitment into a younger, prettier, more fertile woman who will more efficiently bear him more children , than the worn out road whore you glorify. And while the younger woman is busy rearing her children the old cat lady is staring down the barrel of dying childless, face down in the litter box of decades of bad decisions...

Vastator, that's enough of that language.

 

[Votto]

Could we get back to the question of this thread: How do we ensure kids a decent childhood in this brave new world?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

We usually come out during the weekend and hang around a street corner from 6P to 9P.

 

[Vastator]

They were even more so with Sarah Palin, assumingly because she was a woman.

But this is because the Left is after block votes based upon race and sex. That is why they treat black conservatives worse than anyone on earth, much how they went after Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up in black poverty, unlike Barak Obama. He was a true success story and not some privileged punk who grew up in Hawaii and had no idea what racism or poverty really were.

would you store your grain in a pyramid?

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

"I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians. "


just following the logic;

they speak out against divorce
they are always talking about the period of fertility for women ( better have those kids before you are 30!)
and they want those kids raised by 2 parents...

so...marry young....have kids.....don't get divorced....

Fertility is a biological fact.

and the biological facts are that women can have kids well into their 30's and 40's.

Women having children in their 40's requires luck, and heroic amounts of modern medical intervention. What you're suggesting is the same lie so many childless feminists bought into. Even barring the obstacles theyre lucky to be able to have one. One... not the quality of woman a man is likely to choose when he has plans on a family. He can more easily invest his time, and commitment into a younger, prettier, more fertile woman who will more efficiently bear him more children , than the worn out road whore you glorify. And while the younger woman is busy rearing her children the old cat lady is staring down the barrel of dying childless, face down in the litter box of decades of bad decisions...

Vastator, that's enough of that language.

You don't like english?

 

[OldLady]

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's. I agree things like educating young people on safe sex and trying to ease families through divorce situations are good ideas, no matter what. And I have never heard anyone "vilifying" someone who is divorced. If you think I am, you're wrong.

stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"..
"I'm pretty sure that went out in the 50's."


It is my opinion that ending divorce and encouraging young marriages is part of the conservative agenda.

I had not heard that, but I do not know a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

We usually come out during the weekend and hang around a street corner from 6P to 9P.

Is that when you hand out brochures shunning divorcees and pushing 18 year olds to get married?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Could we get back to the question of this thread: How do we ensure kids a decent childhood in this brave new world?

The traditional way that the left has been so busy undermining over the past 50 years.

right

we will FORCE people to stay together!

moron

How about something far too intelligent or civilized for someone as low down the evolutionary scale as you...

like; encourage safe sex, don't vilify people for getting divorced, make it easier for divorced families to have a decent life with affordable education and healthcare, encourage younger people to wait longer before marrying, stop encouraging children to get married by the time they are 20, stop saying "better hurry, girl, before all the good ones are taken"....

And instead encourage girls to ride the cock carousel, and rack up a good body count before settling down. Settling down after they've completely destroyed their ability to pair bond? That's half the reason marriages fail nowadays. Look at who files %70-%80 of the divorces. Not to mention the nosedive a womans fertility begins at age 30. So what a man is left with to choose from given your proposal is some worn out road whore, whose most fertile days are far behind her. No man of success, with designs on a family is gonna write a check against such damaged goods. At least not if he has half a brain.

Woah...