When the Collapse Comes...

[protectionist]

Actually, those who are isolated with a small group out far enough away from the rest of humanity will do quite nicely. I pity to poor fools in the cities. Take a look at Northridge after the quake, or Oakland after Loma Prieta, or New Orleans after Katrina. It's not good for those who live day to day.

For those who live day-to-day, being close to the PODs (points of distribution) for bottled water, food, necessities is the only way to go. Being out in the boonies is probably a bad idea.

Like it or not, events happen that challenge the societal norms.
The good thing about the norms is that they tend to restore themselves over time.

Good to be prepared during the interim however.

Once again, it depends. It depends on the type of emergency and the duration. If it was a hurricane or tropical storm, being near the PODs would be excellent. It gives you ready access without expending resources to get there.

If it was an EMP or geomagnetic storm (as was discussed before), the areas around the PODs would likely be some of the most violent and dangerous places, especially as the supplies start to run low.

If it is one of the major SHTF events, and if I am in the boonies I can control the situation much better. With fewer people and a very low visibility, I and my family are much safer.

To each his own, but I'd go with being near the PODs, as candycorn mentioned. It not only gives you access to the necessities, which even after running out, can be restored with some effort by the population. Also a larger tight-knit population probably is more secure than being alone out in the boonies, where the boonies will present its own set of
problems, such as the lack of back up, if/whenver the bad guys show up.
I'd like to be near the good fishing spots of Tampa Bay, and use my years of experience catching fish, for a consistent high quality food supply. Spanish mackerel in the spring and fall, snook and flounder in the winter, redfish in the summer, sharks and seatrout year round.

 

[protectionist]

six or eight?

What a despicable world you want to live in as groups of six or eight fight for available resources

In my world we group together, evaluate available resources and decide how to use them for the best

if a disaster hits, your evaluation will be real fast. there are no available resources, and in usual liberal fashion you are looking for a handout and someone to fix your problems for you,

I have to admit.......it'd be almost worth it to risk your life to go to the supermarkets to see the looks on the faces of the far left when they show up and the shelves are empty!!. Could you imagine how much fun that would be?

It would be. And that's when I see what they've got to trade me for fishing lessons. (those who think you can just throw a bait in the water and catch fish, I've got news for you. The fish have other ideas)

 

[Pete7469]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

Uhhh...

WTF do you care from Australia?

Why are you so concerned about what we do on the other side of the world?

How about just going and continuing to **** yourselves?

No one here cares what you do.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

This could be an interesting thread off-shoot - what happens to the role of liberated women in the event of a partial or complete societal breakdown?

They'll return to the natural and biological role of rearing and bearing children. Instead of seeking the "bad boys" in jail and without jobs on the government dole, they'll also appreciate a self sufficient man, who can provide for them and their children.

However, I will personally mourn this day, because feminism has liberated women to **** who they want, instead of who they must. Men like me have actually benefited from feminism.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I doubt that a societal collapse will result in women returning to the "barefoot & pregnant" days, or being expected to stay in the kitchen and wait on the man.

My gf is one of the best shots I know. And I see more and more women at the shooting ranges. They'll be able to hold their own.

Do you have enough condoms to outlast her menopause? Will those condoms expire before then? She won't be in the kitchen, she'll be outside cooking over the firepit and tanning your hides while you hunt.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

It is the world preppers want to live in....Every man for himself

Rather than getting with neighbors and pooling their resources, their post apocalyptic world revolves around chasing away your former friends

Reminds me of an episode of the Twilight Zone

Any prepper that doesn't coordinate and build/join/lead a community of at least 150-400 people will die. At the very least, any community smaller than that is guaranteed to go extinct after 20 years, as they will lack the ability to produce offspring at sufficiently high numbers.

Initially you only need a group of 12-20, so a regular night-shift could be established with 3+ men. Since you'll always need 3+ men on patrol (6 hour shifts), you'll need at least 12 men. Ideally you want at least one woman for every men, or there will be conflict.

 

[Pete7469]

This could be an interesting thread off-shoot - what happens to the role of liberated women in the event of a partial or complete societal breakdown?

They'll return to the natural and biological role of rearing and bearing children. Instead of seeking the "bad boys" in jail and without jobs on the government dole, they'll also appreciate a self sufficient man, who can provide for them and their children.

However, I will personally mourn this day, because feminism has liberated women to **** who they want, instead of who they must. Men like me have actually benefited from feminism.

Imagine if there's a real collapse and the prisons are no longer secured.

These "wymyn" will be terrorized and raped to death until real men with guns protect them, if any of us decide to use our ammo in their defense.

I won't flex a muscle to defend these imbeciles.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

In your world you'd have to look for resources. In my world I already have them and protecting them from morons like you who didnt prepare is the objective.

And how do you plan on obtaining those resources? You going to suck dicks for a bag of flour? Take it up the ass for a round of antibiotics?

You'd be dead inside of a month....

In your sick world you live in a bunker until.......

Eventually you will have to join a society. A society that is pretty pissed at your selfishness

What society? The majority would be dead. The whole idea of getting together with a group of like minded people is to survive the initial mass die off. Cities would run out of food in a week,the killing for a can of beans would follow shortly thereafter.

If you can live through that? YOU ARE SOCIETY!!!

[MENTION=20321]rightwinger[/MENTION] is beholden to the idea that the dead will resurrect themselves after the collapse and ostracize us from their City of Dead for doing what was necessary to survive.

To them the Government is now, the past and forever, even when it dies, and the masses alongside it,it will still be there to judge us and banish us from the Society of the Damned.

It's ok though, he's stuck in LOLiberaLand with the OP who believes that we should perform miracles and feed an entire city with a loaf of bread.

[MENTION=27168]HereWeGoAgain[/MENTION]

 

[Grandma]

This thread is comedy gold!

 

[Politico]

Especially the part where your organs fly across the street when you get shot lol.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

These are the three weapons you need when SHTF:

Exhibit 1, the AA-12


If you're an a very open and rural area, use a .22 instead of AA-12. If you're in a suburban/urban, go with AA-12 and avoid open areas. The AA-12 is ideal for defending fresh water sources, as it's immune to water. A team of men submerged with long range snorkel can easily eliminate strangers drinking/tampering/destroying/infecting your water supply.

Exhibit 2,
One-Handed Sword and a light basic shield, a metal garbage can lid will do, carry these on your back, with the AA-12 in your hands. Your shield is only for blocking slingshots and other melee attacks. These primitive weapons will be common, even you will use them from time to time.

Best to carry a dagger/combat knife if you end up in a grapple. Your sword won't help here.
Exhibit 3,
Molotov Cocktail with Poison Ivy

It's an easily made explosive, and the fumes of the poison ivy will kill your attackers aftewards, about an hour or two. When the other attackers see their kin drown in their own blood (classic death by poison ivy inhlation) they'll be filled with terror and won't return. These can also be used the create smokescreens and firewalls for retreats.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This could be an interesting thread off-shoot - what happens to the role of liberated women in the event of a partial or complete societal breakdown?

They'll return to the natural and biological role of rearing and bearing children. Instead of seeking the "bad boys" in jail and without jobs on the government dole, they'll also appreciate a self sufficient man, who can provide for them and their children.

However, I will personally mourn this day, because feminism has liberated women to **** who they want, instead of who they must. Men like me have actually benefited from feminism.

Imagine if there's a real collapse and the prisons are no longer secured.

These "wymyn" will be terrorized and raped to death until real men with guns protect them, if any of us decide to use our ammo in their defense.

I won't flex a muscle to defend these imbeciles.

Dude, you don't know our women.

Most of them can handle themselves.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Dude, you don't know our women.

Most of them can handle themselves.

Whether or not they can handle themselves is irrelevant --- that's your job as a man. Women have more important tasks to do, and any girls that are born to you have more important tasks to learn in a stone age environment.

Ammo will be too precious for women to to train with targets to keep their skills sharp. Hunting and fighting is the only activity that will keep those skills sharp. And unless your woman is going accompany you on every hunt and fight (which means the children will also have to come with you), her skill with a firearm will diminish over time.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Dude, you don't know our women.

Most of them can handle themselves.

Whether or not they can handle themselves is irrelevant --- that's your job as a man. Women have more important tasks to do, and any girls that are born to you have more important tasks to learn in a stone age environment.

Ammo will be too precious for women to to train with targets to keep their skills sharp. Hunting and fighting is the only activity that will keep those skills sharp. And unless your woman is going accompany you on every hunt and fight (which means the children will also have to come with you), her skill with a firearm will diminish over time.

You base your analysis on gender roles when functionality is more important. A lot of women can hunt better than their hubbies can, and a lot of hubbies are disabled like me and cant hunt.

I don't know why you would assign these roles based on gender rather than capability and function.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Dude, you don't know our women.

Most of them can handle themselves.

Whether or not they can handle themselves is irrelevant --- that's your job as a man. Women have more important tasks to do, and any girls that are born to you have more important tasks to learn in a stone age environment.

Ammo will be too precious for women to to train with targets to keep their skills sharp. Hunting and fighting is the only activity that will keep those skills sharp. And unless your woman is going accompany you on every hunt and fight (which means the children will also have to come with you), her skill with a firearm will diminish over time.

You base your analysis on gender roles when functionality is more important. A lot of women can hunt better than their hubbies can, and a lot of hubbies are disabled like me and cant hunt.

I don't know why you would assign these roles based on gender rather than capability and function.

You're talking about the exceptions, not the general rule.

A young able bodied male has an obligation and duty to provide the raw materials and defense of his family and community.

Interestingly, since books will still exist after SHTF, women might become the "educated class" that will build non-primitive tools, such as radios. They might also be the first farmers and revive agriculture. Expect to see an astonishingly large contribution of literature from women after SHTF.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. So funny to see the dingbats hoping for the end of the present society that they do poorly in, believing that they will excell in the aftermath. Buddy boys, you will be on the bottom of the heap should that happen for the same reason you are on the bottom of the heap at present. You just do not have what it takes.

 

[WinterBorn]

I doubt that a societal collapse will result in women returning to the "barefoot & pregnant" days, or being expected to stay in the kitchen and wait on the man.

My gf is one of the best shots I know. And I see more and more women at the shooting ranges. They'll be able to hold their own.

Do you have enough condoms to outlast her menopause? Will those condoms expire before then? She won't be in the kitchen, she'll be outside cooking over the firepit and tanning your hides while you hunt.

No, my woman cannot reproduce. So that is not an issue.

Yes, there will be times that she is cooking while I hunt. Or she may hunt while I cook. She is, as I said before, an excellent shot, a quick learner, and in excellent physical condition.

 

[WinterBorn]

Dude, you don't know our women.

Most of them can handle themselves.

Whether or not they can handle themselves is irrelevant --- that's your job as a man. Women have more important tasks to do, and any girls that are born to you have more important tasks to learn in a stone age environment.

Ammo will be too precious for women to to train with targets to keep their skills sharp. Hunting and fighting is the only activity that will keep those skills sharp. And unless your woman is going accompany you on every hunt and fight (which means the children will also have to come with you), her skill with a firearm will diminish over time.

If ammo is too precious to waste on training, then the best shots will be the ones using the guns, regardless of genitalia.

Those couples without children can both hunt.

 

[rightwinger]

In your sick world you live in a bunker until.......

Eventually you will have to join a society. A society that is pretty pissed at your selfishness

What society? The majority would be dead. The whole idea of getting together with a group of like minded people is to survive the initial mass die off. Cities would run out of food in a week,the killing for a can of beans would follow shortly thereafter.

If you can live through that? YOU ARE SOCIETY!!!

[MENTION=20321]rightwinger[/MENTION] is beholden to the idea that the dead will resurrect themselves after the collapse and ostracize us from their City of Dead for doing what was necessary to survive.

To them the Government is now, the past and forever, even when it dies, and the masses alongside it,it will still be there to judge us and banish us from the Society of the Damned.

It's ok though, he's stuck in LOLiberaLand with the OP who believes that we should perform miracles and feed an entire city with a loaf of bread.

[MENTION=27168]HereWeGoAgain[/MENTION]

You may live in a bunker for a while, but eventually, you will have to rejoin society

 

[jon_berzerk]

What society? The majority would be dead. The whole idea of getting together with a group of like minded people is to survive the initial mass die off. Cities would run out of food in a week,the killing for a can of beans would follow shortly thereafter.

If you can live through that? YOU ARE SOCIETY!!!

[MENTION=20321]rightwinger[/MENTION] is beholden to the idea that the dead will resurrect themselves after the collapse and ostracize us from their City of Dead for doing what was necessary to survive.

To them the Government is now, the past and forever, even when it dies, and the masses alongside it,it will still be there to judge us and banish us from the Society of the Damned.

It's ok though, he's stuck in LOLiberaLand with the OP who believes that we should perform miracles and feed an entire city with a loaf of bread.

[MENTION=27168]HereWeGoAgain[/MENTION]

You may live in a bunker for a while, but eventually, you will have to rejoin society

if the once domestic dogs that packed up

dont eat ya first