When the Collapse Comes...

[FlourPower]

I think most preppers are cheering for it so their life's work (and sadly in some case's life's worth) is not for naught. How's that old Garth Brooks song go...

"They all laughed at Noah for building his great ark...but for 40 days and 40 nights he was looking pretty smart."

The question is that when it happens (all societies eventually crumble from being the dominant culture in the world), do you mow down a woman and her baby with your 10,000 rounds of ammo you've stockpiled for just such an occassion and feed them to your pigs and cattle or do you welcome them into your house?

I think you're off your rocker and have been incredibly sheltered.

Okay, play out the scenario.

The collapse comes and a woman and her 10 year old daughter come onto your property asking for food and shelter.

What do you do?

My welcome mat would be out because that is where we're different and exceptional. We avoided tribalism (to a great extent) in this nation when compared to other societies. We've had a civil war but, despite what many on the right think, it's well in the past. We've had growing pains but are one United States of America--also despite what many on the left here think.

It's very easy to say that when you've never been in an actual survival situation. Your welcome mat might be out, but it's unlikely you'd be able to help many people. If you're not prepared, there's nothing to give. If you're not vigilant, others will over-run you post haste.

I'm not expecting to help many people to be honest. I believe in the systems we have in place and I think most people do. I've looked at the plans, the annexes, and the National Response Framework. I've been "programmed"/"trained" to rely on myself for 72 hours. It should take that long to restore order; max. As stated, I have a little extra in my go-bag/kit to sustain for a longer period of time. A very limited longer period grant you.

If it comes down to 6 weeks of having to live on my own skills, I'd be pretty much screwed.

Well Candy, it's been nice reading you. Keep on believing.

And remember that Dave Ramsey is an ultimate prepper in his own way.

 

[candycorn]

I think it's rather sad in some respects and surreal in others. We've learned...

Not sure who said what over 500+ posts but someone said that they would explain to their kids that their classmate had to die of hunger because the parents didn't prepare. As if a kid would forgive you for not sharing some of the food you've hoarded with his classmate?

That some would feed their dogs but not fellow humans

That some actually feel that being away from support structures is better than embracing them.

I'm all for being prepared. As said I go above and beyond what is required by my job because I've been in situations like that before--hurricanes and the like. So I have some cash on hand and more food than required and even games to pass the time since most of the time will be down time (it always is).

The "Ive got mine, **** you" attitude that is embraced by many here is probably just brovado. Those who are serious is indicative of that which we have lost in this country that is most painful; concern for our fellow American.

In one way, it's cool that the preppers won't be near our hospitals so the crush may not be as bad as we predict.

If they can take care of their own, dandy. More power to them. Infection by airborne/bloodborne pathogens can happen pretty quickly and all the bullets and bluster in the world won't stop your body from spreading the diseases to your organs.

This "prepper" as you put it, will be be nowhere near a hospital. That's the advantage of having a Wife who is a long-time Nurse.

Yes, we have prepared for THAT eventually too.

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that a lot of people never take into consideration. It's fine to say that you have a years supply of food and ammo, but what do you do if you (unfortunately) break your leg? Or have a serious infection that requires antibiotics? or are wounded? or attacked by a wild animal?

If the public is concerned about what is coming - you had better plan for ALL eventualities - because at some point - they WILL happen. There is no better place for "Murphy's Law" than in a catastrophe.

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

 

[WinterBorn]

In one way, it's cool that the preppers won't be near our hospitals so the crush may not be as bad as we predict.

If they can take care of their own, dandy. More power to them. Infection by airborne/bloodborne pathogens can happen pretty quickly and all the bullets and bluster in the world won't stop your body from spreading the diseases to your organs.

This "prepper" as you put it, will be be nowhere near a hospital. That's the advantage of having a Wife who is a long-time Nurse.

Yes, we have prepared for THAT eventually too.

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that a lot of people never take into consideration. It's fine to say that you have a years supply of food and ammo, but what do you do if you (unfortunately) break your leg? Or have a serious infection that requires antibiotics? or are wounded? or attacked by a wild animal?

If the public is concerned about what is coming - you had better plan for ALL eventualities - because at some point - they WILL happen. There is no better place for "Murphy's Law" than in a catastrophe.

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

If the situation is that of a long term collapse, the Heprin & LRI aren't going to last very long.

Plus, you make it sound as though it is impossible for humanity to survive without these prescription drugs.

There are alternatives to many medications and medical procedures. If there are not, consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse.

I can assure you, far more people will die in the violence of the urban panic than from a lack of prescription antibiotics.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This "prepper" as you put it, will be be nowhere near a hospital. That's the advantage of having a Wife who is a long-time Nurse.

Yes, we have prepared for THAT eventually too.

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that a lot of people never take into consideration. It's fine to say that you have a years supply of food and ammo, but what do you do if you (unfortunately) break your leg? Or have a serious infection that requires antibiotics? or are wounded? or attacked by a wild animal?

If the public is concerned about what is coming - you had better plan for ALL eventualities - because at some point - they WILL happen. There is no better place for "Murphy's Law" than in a catastrophe.

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

If the situation is that of a long term collapse, the Heprin & LRI aren't going to last very long.

Plus, you make it sound as though it is impossible for humanity to survive without these prescription drugs.

There are alternatives to many medications and medical procedures. If there are not, consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse.

I can assure you, far more people will die in the violence of the urban panic than from a lack of prescription antibiotics.

WHAT? Humanity survived before Aspirin? You gotta be ******* with me!

/s

The real question is how much of modern man can survive if the power goes out forever.

 

[RandallFlagg]

In one way, it's cool that the preppers won't be near our hospitals so the crush may not be as bad as we predict.

If they can take care of their own, dandy. More power to them. Infection by airborne/bloodborne pathogens can happen pretty quickly and all the bullets and bluster in the world won't stop your body from spreading the diseases to your organs.

This "prepper" as you put it, will be be nowhere near a hospital. That's the advantage of having a Wife who is a long-time Nurse.

Yes, we have prepared for THAT eventually too.

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that a lot of people never take into consideration. It's fine to say that you have a years supply of food and ammo, but what do you do if you (unfortunately) break your leg? Or have a serious infection that requires antibiotics? or are wounded? or attacked by a wild animal?

If the public is concerned about what is coming - you had better plan for ALL eventualities - because at some point - they WILL happen. There is no better place for "Murphy's Law" than in a catastrophe.

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

 

[RandallFlagg]

This "prepper" as you put it, will be be nowhere near a hospital. That's the advantage of having a Wife who is a long-time Nurse.

Yes, we have prepared for THAT eventually too.

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that a lot of people never take into consideration. It's fine to say that you have a years supply of food and ammo, but what do you do if you (unfortunately) break your leg? Or have a serious infection that requires antibiotics? or are wounded? or attacked by a wild animal?

If the public is concerned about what is coming - you had better plan for ALL eventualities - because at some point - they WILL happen. There is no better place for "Murphy's Law" than in a catastrophe.

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

If the situation is that of a long term collapse, the Heprin & LRI aren't going to last very long.

Plus, you make it sound as though it is impossible for humanity to survive without these prescription drugs.

There are alternatives to many medications and medical procedures. If there are not, consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse.

I can assure you, far more people will die in the violence of the urban panic than from a lack of prescription antibiotics.

Indeed. The reliance on "civilization" reared it's ugly head, yet again....

 

[pismoe]

people should do the best they can to get Healthy and off the drugs .

 

[asterism]

LOL. So funny to see the dingbats hoping for the end of the present society that they do poorly in, believing that they will excell in the aftermath. Buddy boys, you will be on the bottom of the heap should that happen for the same reason you are on the bottom of the heap at present. You just do not have what it takes.

Who is hoping for the end and who are you saying is "on the bottom of the heap at present?"

 

[pismoe]

and yeah , just from 64 years of life experience I know how much a Doctor and drugs are needed and its not much for a normal healthy person that doesn't do stupid stuff . Also , wasn't much big time , big deal drugs saving lives a hundred years ago . I've asked doctors about the lack of meds and doctoring and they just say that people died . --- just a comment !!

 

[JimBowie1958]

and yeah , just from 64 years of life experience I know how much a Doctor and drugs are needed and its not much for a normal healthy person that doesn't do stupid stuff . Also , wasn't much big time , big deal drugs saving lives a hundred years ago . I've asked doctors about the lack of meds and doctoring and they just say that people died . --- just a comment !!

unless they could cut off the infected limb first. That worked a lot of times, hence the monicker for doctors a century or so ago; Old Sawbones.

 

[candycorn]

Cutting off limbs?

Some "plan" you've got there.

I suggest you guys start breeding leeches; without proper medicine you'll be using them to purify the blood of your loved ones. And a hospital with modern equipment, medicine, and professionals is only a mile away....

I'm sure you guys know better...

 

[candycorn]

This "prepper" as you put it, will be be nowhere near a hospital. That's the advantage of having a Wife who is a long-time Nurse.

Yes, we have prepared for THAT eventually too.

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that a lot of people never take into consideration. It's fine to say that you have a years supply of food and ammo, but what do you do if you (unfortunately) break your leg? Or have a serious infection that requires antibiotics? or are wounded? or attacked by a wild animal?

If the public is concerned about what is coming - you had better plan for ALL eventualities - because at some point - they WILL happen. There is no better place for "Murphy's Law" than in a catastrophe.

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

 

[candycorn]

This "prepper" as you put it, will be be nowhere near a hospital. That's the advantage of having a Wife who is a long-time Nurse.

Yes, we have prepared for THAT eventually too.

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that a lot of people never take into consideration. It's fine to say that you have a years supply of food and ammo, but what do you do if you (unfortunately) break your leg? Or have a serious infection that requires antibiotics? or are wounded? or attacked by a wild animal?

If the public is concerned about what is coming - you had better plan for ALL eventualities - because at some point - they WILL happen. There is no better place for "Murphy's Law" than in a catastrophe.

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

If the situation is that of a long term collapse, the Heprin & LRI aren't going to last very long.

Plus, you make it sound as though it is impossible for humanity to survive without these prescription drugs.

There are alternatives to many medications and medical procedures. If there are not, consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse.

I can assure you, far more people will die in the violence of the urban panic than from a lack of prescription antibiotics.

Sure, that is what the Aztecs and Incas thought too.

 

[candycorn]

Prepper

"I've got 3 gazillion rounds of ammo, 17 tons of body armor, enough black powder to open my own armory, and to be on the safe side, I had the descendants of Colt, Remington, and Winchester each give me a vial of their blood which I injected so I would have their genes in me."

Wife of Prepper
"Honey, that's all fine and good but Jenny's fever is 104. A hospital is only 8 miles away. Can you take her to the Emergency Room"?

Prepper
"No!!! There are sick masses there"

Wife of Prepper
"Yes. But there are always sick masses at the hospitals....it pretty much goes with the territory"

Prepper
"You want me to go down there with our sick daughter and expose her to Lord knows what?"

Wife of Prepper
"If the Lord was all powerful, we wouldn't have a daughter with 104 fever. But we do. I just want my daughter to be well. I can't stand to watch her die for no reason."

Prepper
"Consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse."

Wife of Prepper
"The collapse did come but now it's over and society is slowly getting back to normal. At least during the 10 minutes a day when we are not watching Blaze TV--I do turn the channel when you doze off honey--that is what the main stream media is reporting. Do you think you can possibly take Jenny to the ER and save the life of your daughter?"

Prepper
"I'll think about it next week. In the mean time, have her chew some roots...after all, that is the way they used to treat fever!!!!
Wife of Prepper
"My 35 years of medical training tells me that simple Amoxicilin would take care of most of the infection that is causing the fever. We had shelves full of it at the hospital....one dose--1/3500 of the supply our one hospital had on hand--would save the life of your daughter. And you won't take your child there?"

"What kind of man did I marry?"

Prepper
"One who is going to survive"

Wife of Prepper
"And the rest of us?"

Prepper
"I guess we didn't prepare enough...so the daughter had to die.

Wife of Prepper
"Oh my God"

Prepper
"Junior...go dig a grave for your sister. Honey, we just can't risk going into the towns."

Daughter of Prepper
"It's okay daddy. I know you love me."

Son of Prepper
"Do I use the shovel or the spade?"

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Pretty much the scenario you guys are preparing for...right?

 

[WinterBorn]

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

And when the power goes out at the hospital? How will you run the diagnostic machines and keep the medications refrigerated, and power the x-ray machines ect ect ect??

 

[WinterBorn]

Prepper

"I've got 3 gazillion rounds of ammo, 17 tons of body armor, enough black powder to open my own armory, and to be on the safe side, I had the descendants of Colt, Remington, and Winchester each give me a vial of their blood which I injected so I would have their genes in me."

Wife of Prepper
"Honey, that's all fine and good but Jenny's fever is 104. A hospital is only 8 miles away. Can you take her to the Emergency Room"?

Prepper
"No!!! There are sick masses there"

Wife of Prepper
"Yes. But there are always sick masses at the hospitals....it pretty much goes with the territory"

Prepper
"You want me to go down there with our sick daughter and expose her to Lord knows what?"

Wife of Prepper
"If the Lord was all powerful, we wouldn't have a daughter with 104 fever. But we do. I just want my daughter to be well. I can't stand to watch her die for no reason."

Prepper
"Consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse."

Wife of Prepper
"The collapse did come but now it's over and society is slowly getting back to normal. At least during the 10 minutes a day when we are not watching Blaze TV--I do turn the channel when you doze off honey--that is what the main stream media is reporting. Do you think you can possibly take Jenny to the ER and save the life of your daughter?"

Prepper
"I'll think about it next week. In the mean time, have her chew some roots...after all, that is the way they used to treat fever!!!!
Wife of Prepper
"My 35 years of medical training tells me that simple Amoxicilin would take care of most of the infection that is causing the fever. We had shelves full of it at the hospital....one dose--1/3500 of the supply our one hospital had on hand--would save the life of your daughter. And you won't take your child there?"

"What kind of man did I marry?"

Prepper
"One who is going to survive"

Wife of Prepper
"And the rest of us?"

Prepper
"I guess we didn't prepare enough...so the daughter had to die.

Wife of Prepper
"Oh my God"

Prepper
"Junior...go dig a grave for your sister. Honey, we just can't risk going into the towns."

Daughter of Prepper
"It's okay daddy. I know you love me."

Son of Prepper
"Do I use the shovel or the spade?"

-----------

Pretty much the scenario you guys are preparing for...right?

Is it? Of course it is. I am surprised you gave us that much credit and didn't just have us shooting the daughter when she wasn't doing her chores.

Now, in the event of a long term collapse, how long will the supplies last at the hospital? How long will the power stay on? How long will the pharmacy be able to maintain the stocks before a handful of armed men come in and take them?

YOu are acting as though the hospital will be untouched by the collapse.

 

[WinterBorn]

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

If the situation is that of a long term collapse, the Heprin & LRI aren't going to last very long.

Plus, you make it sound as though it is impossible for humanity to survive without these prescription drugs.

There are alternatives to many medications and medical procedures. If there are not, consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse.

I can assure you, far more people will die in the violence of the urban panic than from a lack of prescription antibiotics.

Sure, that is what the Aztecs and Incas thought too.

What?? What the hell do the Aztecs and Incas have to do with this discussion?

And no, I do not think that the Aztecs and Incas thought the Heprin and LRI were going to run out.

And yes, far more will die initially from the violence of the urban panic than from things Heprin will cure. Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

 

[deltex1]

If the collapse had occurred back in the late 60s my response would have been. .." Key turn on my command ...3-2-1 launch !"

 

[WinterBorn]

If the collapse had occurred back in the late 60s my response would have been. .." Key turn on my command ...3-2-1 launch !"

If the collapse had occurred in the very early 80s, my response would have been, "Make my depth one-five-zero feet, zero downbubble, Aye".

 

[RandallFlagg]

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

You really are a ******* idiot, aren't you? **** off Nazi - I don't have time for your bullshit. IGNORE.