Zone1 When Is A Baby Considered Alive?

" Freak Farmer Fanatics Deprive Citizens Of Equal Protection "

* With Cause Abortion Ignored By Sanctimonious Sacrosanct Anthropocentric Psychopaths *


How about you go to a women carrying a deformed freak and demand that she carry it to term , to shove it out here who ha and keep it for life .

Could you repeat that in English and try to make it relevant?
 
" Traitors Against Us Republic Support Dobbs Brain Dead Decision For Sedition "

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most would say when you can register a heartbeat, you know it's not dead
The issue of abortion has nothing to do with when life begins .

The issue of abortion has everything to do with when a legitimate state interest begins .

A legitimate state interest begins with a citizen and the only non incidental requirement to become a us citizen ( state or federate ) is live birth , and states cannot abrogate the requirement to become a citizen and states cannot abrogate the enumerated rite of equal protection that consequently requires live birth .

The dobbs decision is dumbfounded and sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , as well as malfeasance against title 1 section 8 of us code , and its member advocates should be charged with the crimes just as any other despot that suspends us constitution .
 
Well, that comes under the debate of equality. Women want equal pay, equal representation in jobs, equal representation in the boardroom. Ask about equal rights to a foetus, "Pffft, get lost, my body". That's why Fathers for Justice exists.

It's all "We" unless it's abortion, then it's "Me"
This is true. Under current American law, a man loses his reproductive freedom the moment his sperm impregnates a woman. She can deny him fatherhood or force it on him and there is nothing he can legally do about it. She can sentence their baby to death with no repercussions, but for him to abandon that same baby is a crime for which he faces legal repercussions.
 
" Treatises Beyond Debates For Simpletons "

* Violating Liberty For Pursuit Of Life Through Non Progeny *

Could you repeat that in English and try to make it relevant?
The literal meaning of an after life is passing on ones genetic identity through offspring so that another , both figuratively and literally as oneself , may have an opportunity to experience the sentience , sapience and introspection afforded as life , where failure to do so in perpetuity is ascribed the metaphors of final judgement or eternal damnation .

The abortion anti-choice are upset that 90% of individuals are choosing not to carry the trisomy to term ; such offspring should not be considered progeny , in that they are incapable of themselves creating progeny .

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This is true. Under current American law, a man loses his reproductive freedom the moment his sperm impregnates a woman. She can deny him fatherhood or force it on him and there is nothing he can legally do about it. She can sentence their baby to death with no repercussions, but for him to abandon that same baby is a crime for which he faces legal repercussions.
It'll probably get to the stage where the woman has to first sign a contract from the guy's lawyer before sex on the ownership of the sperm. Like having a prenuptial when getting married !!
 
" Tough Titties "

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This is true. Under current American law, a man loses his reproductive freedom the moment his sperm impregnates a woman. She can deny him fatherhood or force it on him and there is nothing he can legally do about it. She can sentence their baby to death with no repercussions, but for him to abandon that same baby is a crime for which he faces legal repercussions.
The man is free to claim he was raped and file charges that his private property semen was involuntarily taken from him , rather than willfully provided .

Perhaps practice doaism / taoism that advocates for retaining semen and against ejaculation .
 
" Treatises Beyond Debates For Simpletons "

* Violating Liberty For Pursuit Of Life Through Non Progeny *


The literal meaning of an after life is passing on ones genetic identity through offspring so that another , both figuratively and literally as oneself , may have an opportunity to experience the sentience , sapience and introspection afforded as life , where failure to do so in perpetuity is ascribed the metaphors of final judgement or eternal damnation .

The abortion anti-choice are upset that 90% of individuals are choosing not to carry the trisomy to term ; such offspring should not be considered progeny , in that they are incapable of themselves creating progeny .

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Interesting. And what percentage of aborted children are malformed or have life-threatening disabilities? Tell you what, would you accept abortion law that forbids abortion except in the case where an unborn child is so seriously disabled that they will die within hours or minutes of birth? Or are you holding this up as a smokescreen for what you really want?
 
" Tough Titties "

* Wishing Well *


The man is free to claim he was raped and file charges that his private property semen was involuntarily taken from him , rather than willfully provided .

Perhaps practice doaism / taoism that advocates for retaining semen and against ejaculation .
There are medications that prevent the release of semen, yes. It is irrelevant, however, to require a man to file rape charges to avoid fatherhood because the woman doesn't have to claim SA or rape in order to force it on him.

None of this is to advocate a man duck his responsibilities toward his children. It is to illustrate the unfair nature of the laws surrounding parenthood.
 
Interesting. And what percentage of aborted children are malformed or have life-threatening disabilities? Tell you what, would you accept abortion law that forbids abortion except in the case where an unborn child is so seriously disabled that they will die within hours or minutes of birth? Or are you holding this up as a smokescreen for what you really want?
In a civilised society that had the technology to scan the health of a foetus and the equipment to perform an abortion, then an unhealthy foetus where the child will have a disability or the pregnancy was endangering the mother, then an abortion would take place. Imo.

In an uncivilised society, abortion is used as a firm of contraception.

The world is not fair, nature is not fair, life is not all sunshine and rainbows. But the animal world doesn't suffer the abortion dilemma that we humans seem to endure.
 
" Life Threatening Ignores Quality Of Life "

* Individual Liberty And Not A Collective Proclivity *

Interesting. And what percentage of aborted children are malformed or have life-threatening disabilities? Tell you what, would you accept abortion law that forbids abortion except in the case where an unborn child is so seriously disabled that they will die within hours or minutes of birth? Or are you holding this up as a smokescreen for what you really want?
Developmental anomalies can occur either in the fetus on in the mother and are termed with cause abortion .

The developmental anomalies in the fetus that lead to with cause abortion are largely determined through ultrasound between 13 and 20 weeks , assuming availability , though not all anomalies are detected during that window , while genetic testing via amniocentesis occur at 15 weeks with a 1:100 chance of miscarriage or at 20 weeks with a 1:200 chance of miscarriage .

About 3% of all conceptions are associated with major congenital malformations, many of them are lethal developmental defect and genetic in origin or teratogenic (adverse effects of the envi- ronment during gametogenesis or early embryogenesis).
 
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Oh joy , pretentious non sense to implement dogma with an excuse of pardoned of all deleterious outcomes ; did joe biden issue that pardon ?

So your goad has a penis and all women are males ; got it !

Please work on your English
 
In a civilised society that had the technology to scan the health of a foetus and the equipment to perform an abortion, then an unhealthy foetus where the child will have a disability or the pregnancy was endangering the mother, then an abortion would take place. Imo.

In an uncivilised society, abortion is used as a firm of contraception.

The world is not fair, nature is not fair, life is not all sunshine and rainbows. But the animal world doesn't suffer the abortion dilemma that we humans seem to endure.

There are very few cases where a pregnancy threatens the life of the woman to the extent that the baby must be killed.

No. Really. It is exceedingly rare.
 
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In a civilised society that had the technology to scan the health of a foetus and the equipment to perform an abortion, then an unhealthy foetus where the child will have a disability or the pregnancy was endangering the mother, then an abortion would take place. Imo.
The abortion anti-choice ignore developmental anomalies and with cause abortion like the plague , as its ultimate goal is to outlaw any and all abortion without exception .

* State Run Eugenics With Sterilization *
In an uncivilised society, abortion is used as a firm of contraception.
In a society that does not respect independence of the individual , abortion is mandated or deprived and that is not civil .

* Banana Republic Standards *
The world is not fair, nature is not fair, life is not all sunshine and rainbows. But the animal world doesn't suffer the abortion dilemma that we humans seem to endure.
In nature , fitness matters .
 
" Life Threatening Ignores Quality Of Life "

* Individual Liberty And Not A Collective Proclivity *


Developmental anomalies can occur either in the fetus on in the mother and are termed with cause abortion .

The developmental anomalies in the fetus that lead to with cause abortion are largely determined through ultrasound between 13 and 20 weeks , assuming availability , though not all anomalies are detected during that window , while genetic testing via amniocentesis occur at 15 weeks with a 1:100 chance of miscarriage or at 20 weeks with a 1:200 chance of miscarriage .

About 3% of all conceptions are associated with major congenital malformations, many of them are lethal developmental defect and genetic in origin or teratogenic (adverse effects of the envi- ronment during gametogenesis or early embryogenesis).
Thank you, that means that 97% of abortions have nothing to do with the health or viability of the unborn child. IOW, they are used as a form on contraception. That is not a good thing.
 
" Traitors Against Us Republic Support Dobbs Brain Dead Decision For Sedition "

* Sentience Is Required For Mind And Conscientious Objection *


The issue of abortion has nothing to do with when life begins .

The issue of abortion has everything to do with when a legitimate state interest begins .

A legitimate state interest begins with a citizen and the only non incidental requirement to become a us citizen ( state or federate ) is live birth , and states cannot abrogate the requirement to become a citizen and states cannot abrogate the enumerated rite of equal protection that consequently requires live birth .

The dobbs decision is dumbfounded and sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , as well as malfeasance against title 1 section 8 of us code , and its member advocates should be charged with the crimes just as any other despot that suspends us constitution .

I don't know what Communist hellhole you're from, but here in the US, we don't give a fig about what "the state" says when it comes to our family.
 
" Invoking Fantasy While Ignoring Nature "

* Abortion Anti-choice Embrace Uniform Fetish To Quell Anxiety Of Death *

Please work on your English
My english is exceptional , as are my treatises on abortion , and dobbs decision is dumbfounded sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , as well as malfeasance against title 1 section 8 of us code , and its collaborating justices should be charged with the crimes just as any despot that suspends us constitution .

Simple facts are that a law exists because there is entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some legal construct , and it is obvious that there is not a law against killing either in nature or from a conjectural goad; so work on your realism .
 
" Democrat Ideology Of Embracing Collective Codependence Over Independence Of The Individual "

* Inaudible Goad Grumbled Something *


The abortion anti-choice ignore developmental anomalies and with cause abortion like the plague , as its ultimate goal is to outlaw any and all abortion without exception .

* State Run Eugenics With Sterilization *

In a society that does not respect independence of the individual , abortion is mandated or deprived and that is not civil .

* Banana Republic Standards *

In nature , fitness matters .

Get behind me, Satan
 
There are very few cases where a pregnancy threatens the life of the woman to the extent that the baby must be killed.

No. Really. It is exceedingly rare.
I know there's ectopic. The number of abortions performed because of the danger to the mother is so few, that they do not register statistically.

When we had kids, I know that the thickness of skin was measured on the back of the next from the scan, I think that was for Downs Syndrome. There might have been another test for the health of the foetus, but because it was some 25 years ago, I can't remember. But either way, it was to check that if there were abnormalities, abortion was an option.
 
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