Zone1 When Is A Baby Considered Alive?

[DukeU]

A law exists because there is an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some lawful construct ;

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Would death qualify as a retort?

 

[hadit]

Ectopic pg is often cited as a reason a pg needs to be aborted to save the life of the mother. But that's not even an issue in ectopic pg. There is no conundrum about baby v. mother. There will BE no baby. But the mother might die.

When people cite "life of the mother", they're typically making up some scenario where a normally-developing, 20 week old fetus needs to be murdered because he/she is killing the mother. This is very, very, VERY rare, especially in the age of great preterm baby care.

In every case I've seen where someone gives an extreme case, then tries to say abortion has to be kept legal because of such cases, if you agree and say, "Okay, we'll make abortion illegal except in those extreme cases", they backpedal and start mumbling about something else. They don't want abortion restricted to the cases they present, they just don't want restrictions at all.

 

[hadit]

" Excuses "

* Like Wise *

And, of course, you determine whose life is worth living or not.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Thou Shalt Not Kill Is Not A Law "

* Death In What Context *

Would death qualify as a retort?

The individual electing abortion does not die , albeit a chance for an after life through genetic continuance , so as to avert final judgement and eternal damnation , is compromised .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Others Determine For Themselves "

* Not Determined For Others By Me Or You *

And, of course, you determine whose life is worth living or not.

Such a statement as that is the problem with the abortion anti-choice , as this moniker does not advocate that any other than the individual make that choice , as according to principles of individualism , the individual is entitled to self ownership that includes progeny .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Conveniently Ignoring Timelines Of Without Versus With Cause Abortion "

* All Obsessed With Whether Someone Else Is Having Sex *

In every case I've seen where someone gives an extreme case, then tries to say abortion has to be kept legal because of such cases, if you agree and say, "Okay, we'll make abortion illegal except in those extreme cases", they backpedal and start mumbling about something else. They don't want abortion restricted to the cases they present, they just don't want restrictions at all.

The abortion anti-choice ignore with cause abortion and fabricate a disingenuous assertion that abortions at those stages of development are without cause , because abortion anti-choice want to outlaw all abortion and the typical propaganda of such foolishness is to represent any abortion as late term of a perfectly healthy fetus .

The without cause abortion is largely optioned within 12 weeks , whereas starting at 13 weeks , developmental anomalies become evident and with cause abortion becomes a compelling issue .

Some in the us allude to laws in europe that restrict without cause abortion to 15 weeks , but ignore exceptions in those laws for developmental anomalies that are included for with cause abortion .

 

[hadit]

" Conveniently Ignoring Timelines Of Without Versus With Cause Abortion "

* All Obsessed With Whether Someone Else Is Having Sex *

The abortion anti-choice ignore with cause abortion and fabricate a disingenuous assertion that abortions at those stages of development are without cause , because abortion anti-choice want to outlaw all abortion and the typical propaganda of such foolishness is to represent any abortion as late term of a perfectly healthy fetus .

The without cause abortion is largely optioned within 12 weeks , whereas starting at 13 weeks , developmental anomalies become evident and with cause abortion becomes a compelling issue .

Some in the us allude to laws in europe that restrict without cause abortion to 15 weeks , but ignore exceptions in those laws for developmental anomalies that are included for with cause abortion .

So, I will then pose this question to you. Would you support making abortion illegal except ONLY in those cases where the developing baby has such severe abnormalities that life after birth is impossible?

 

[protectionist]

You admit to playing stupid, at the very least. You know exactly what I said and meant.

Again, you're a MORON. I have no idea what you are blabbering about mythology, or iron age, nor do I care to know.

If you would just say what you mean in the clearest terms, instead of trying to be fancy/ cool/cute, you wouldn't have made such an ass out of yourself.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Contradictions And Paradoxes Of Utopian Idealism "

* Allegory Of All Forgiving Goad Does Nothing But Offers Vengeance With A Reprieve At Winter Solstice *

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Would death qualify as a retort?

Stop confusing the literal meaning of an afterlife , which genetic continuance , and the metaphorical means by which to achieve a chance for eternal life .

Antinomianism - Wikipedia

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* Gnosticism Personification Of Celestial Phenomenon As Religion *

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Zone1 - Zeitgeist : The Movie

" Zeitgeist : The Movie " * Part 1 : Syncretism * What do you think about the surmise of christianity that begins at about 19:00 minutes ? The introduction is about 11 minutes long and covers nothing , until an oration by george carlin is introduced .

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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 - New International Version

The Resurrection of the Dead - But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is...

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12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

 

[DukeU]

" Thou Shalt Not Kill Is Not A Law "

* Death In What Context *

The individual electing abortion does not die , albeit a chance for an after life through genetic continuance , so as to avert final judgement and eternal damnation , is compromised .

All human beings die.

 

[DukeU]

" Contradictions And Paradoxes Of Utopian Idealism "

* Allegory Of All Forgiving Goad Does Nothing But Offers Vengeance With A Reprieve At Winter Solstice *

Stop confusing the literal meaning of an afterlife , which genetic continuance , and the metaphorical means by which to achieve a chance for eternal life .

Antinomianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

* Gnosticism Personification Of Celestial Phenomenon As Religion *

Zone1 - Could Metaphorical Naturalism Include Celestial Religion ?

" Could Metaphorical Naturalism Include Celestial Religion ? " * Applying Esoteric Allusions To Physical Phenomenon * Could metaphorical naturalism include celestial religion ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical_naturalism Metaphysical naturalism (also called ontological naturalism...

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Zone1 - Zeitgeist : The Movie

" Zeitgeist : The Movie " * Part 1 : Syncretism * What do you think about the surmise of christianity that begins at about 19:00 minutes ? The introduction is about 11 minutes long and covers nothing , until an oration by george carlin is introduced .

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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 - New International Version

The Resurrection of the Dead - But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is...

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12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

That does not change the fact that humans die.

They die because of the laws God put in place.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Render Good Faith And Trust To Individuals Challenged By Adversity "

* No To Collective Hubris Depriving Individuals Of Liberty In Pursuit Of Happiness *

So, I will then pose this question to you. Would you support making abortion illegal except ONLY in those cases where the developing baby has such severe abnormalities that life after birth is impossible?

The liberties entitled to us citizens include not only life but the pursuit of happiness , and the ethical decisions for happiness in with cause abortion is entitled to the individual / citizen , whom makes the decision not only for their own interests but in the interests of their potential offspring .

Given that the literal meaning of an after life is genetic continuance , as as sophisticated physical state is required for sentience sapience and introspection , offspring that are genetically incapable of perpetuating life would not be considered progeny , in that they would be incapable of genetic continuance .

 

[Road Runner]

Could you repeat that in English and try to make it relevant?

Please work on your English

So then I'm not the only person who doesn't understand him/her/it right because it seems like all he/she/it does is speak in circles and off topic and in word salads.

I like the song but are you saying that in your book a baby isn't alive until they're born?

Get behind me, Satan

I'm still confused.

Ectopic pg is often cited as a reason a pg needs to be aborted to save the life of the mother. But that's not even an issue in ectopic pg. There is no conundrum about baby v. mother. There will BE no baby. But the mother might die.

When people cite "life of the mother", they're typically making up some scenario where a normally-developing, 20 week old fetus needs to be murdered because he/she is killing the mother. This is very, very, VERY rare, especially in the age of great preterm baby care.

I can't speak for every woman out there, but I would most definitely die for my child.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" The Catch All Bull Shit Story "

* Snake Oil Salesman Dissociative Logic To Act On Behalf Of Goad *

That does not change the fact that humans die.
They die because of the laws God put in place.

An assertion that since eventually all things alive will die constitutes a natural law against killing is absurd , as individuals that have not killed die .

A subjective altruism of an ego is that its introspection should exist in perpetuity however empirical evidence within nature indicates that not every instance of introspection is required to satisfy a subjective altruism of an ego .

 

[DukeU]

" The Catch All Bull Shit Story "

* Snake Oil Salesman Dissociative Logic To Act On Behalf Of Goad *

An assertion that since eventually all things alive will die constitutes a natural law against killing is absurd , as individuals that have not killed die .

A subjective altruism of an ego is that its introspection should exist in perpetuity however empirical evidence within nature indicates that not every instance of introspection is required to satisfy a subjective altruism of an ego .

Laws don't happen by chance.

They require a law maker.

 

[GLASNOST]

I like the song but are you saying that in your book a baby isn't alive until they're born?

No, I'm not saying that.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Contradictions By Reflection Through Paradox "

* Nature Is Was And Always Will Be And Cannot Be Otherwise *

Laws don't happen by chance.
They require a law maker.

Nothing can be separate from itself .

The concept of monism and " mono the is them " arises from the concept of a monad and the concept of a monad is that of an infinitesimal , an identity element , with the quality of infinitude .

A quality of infinitude is related from an irrational number , which has the quality of being and becoming through some transition ; a infinitesimal monad would thus be without end and consequently without a beginning .

By induction all things emulate a quality of infinitude and , by deduction , procreation includes a quality of being and becoming through some transition .

An infinitesimal monad is inchoate , thus free will , and a sophisticated physical state is required for sentience , sapience and introspection .

Is an omnipotent , omniscient , omnipresence capable of changing the golden mean ?

" Is an omnipotent , omniscient , omnipresence capable of changing the golden mean ? " * Justify Your Answer * Why are " yes and or no " , or " yes and no " , or " yes or no " , not poll options ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

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[The Sage of Main Street]

" Pretentious Charade That Contemporary Natural Law Alludes To Anything Natural "

* Legal Positivism For Dummies And Normative Values From Writs Of Rites *

A law exists because there is an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some lawful construct ; so cite a law within nature , or other wise by goad , whereby a prompt death occurs to an individual which kills a hue mammon being .

There is zero proof that there is a law within nature , or other wise by goad , whereby the killing of a hue mammon being is a crime .

The contemporary natural law ( law ) theories have nothing to do with the nature and allude to a fantastical theatrical macabre in a court of final judgement , all while ignoring survival as the success criteria of nature , so as to quell anxiety about mortality .

* Arrogant Damned Dirty Apes Exclaim ' Made In The Image ' While Setting On A Porcelain Throne *

Zone1 - Made In The Image Of Goad

" Made In The Image Of Goad " * Explanation Required * The hue mammon ape makes a claim that it is made in the image of goad , yet what are the implications of such a claim ?

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Preaching Prudes' Power Play

Anti-abortionism would only be natural if sex were an insignificant pleasure that was only indulged in to have children.

 

[Road Runner]

No, I'm not saying that.

Then what are you saying?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

" Traitors Against Us Republic Support Dobbs Brain Dead Decision For Sedition "

* Sentience Is Required For Mind And Conscientious Objection *

The issue of abortion has nothing to do with when life begins .

The issue of abortion has everything to do with when a legitimate state interest begins .

A legitimate state interest begins with a citizen and the only non incidental requirement to become a us citizen ( state or federate ) is live birth , and states cannot abrogate the requirement to become a citizen and states cannot abrogate the enumerated rite of equal protection that consequently requires live birth .

The dobbs decision is dumbfounded and sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , as well as malfeasance against title 1 section 8 of us code , and its member advocates should be charged with the crimes just as any other despot that suspends us constitution .

Documented as DACA

The Christofascist opinion can be used to end anchor-baby rights. Since the illegal usually got pregnant in a foreign country, if her pregnancy is considered to be a live baby, then its citizen status must be the same as being born in that country