Zone1 When Is A Baby Considered Alive?

" Sanctimonious Sacrosanct Stupidity Of Damned Dirty Apes "

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Democrats, after over a 100 years of modern medicine, human biology, research. The Democrats don't know.
This abortion choice republican regards the question about when life begins as stupidity , as it has nothing to do with us constitution and all to do with antrhopocentric psychopathy of traitors against us republic .

Stop pretending to be a republican , while pandering as a democrat to populism for democracy as tyranny by collective majority against independence of the individual .

 
" Sanctimonious Sacrosanct Stupidity Of Damned Dirty Apes "

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This abortion choice republican regards the question about when life begins as stupidity , as it has nothing to do with us constitution and all to do with antrhopocentric psychopathy of traitors against us republic .

Stop pretending to be a republican , while pandering as a democrat to populism for democracy as tyranny by collective majority against independence of the individual .

Right on brother. The fact remains that thus far no democrat can tell us when life begins

Even after over a 100 years of modern medicine, human biology, research. The Democrats just don't know.
 
Who gives a shit? It's the mother's choice.
If we want an honest discussion on the issue, the first thing to be established is that an unborn baby is a human being, then we can talk about the relative value of that human life. We already assign differing values to human life on our highways. We accept the loss of thousands every year just because we want to drive fast.
 
But technically, a plant NEVER has a heartbeat. Otherwise there might be a good point here.

I'm Catholic and most of us believe that life starts at the moment of conception.

I'd bet that you'll get a different answer, depending on who you're talking to. Some pro-abort would tell you life starts at birth, until they decided they want to have a child.

For now, I'll stick with the moment of conception, and as someone who has worked for a doctor who performed abortions, the guilt I carry around due to my participation of flushing something obviously human down the lab sink, I only pray that God has forgiven me.

As someone who has converted to Catholicism only a year ago, I know that technically God has forgiven me that sin, but the guilt still lingers.


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As a RN, I have no shame. This is a medical procedure. The fetus is alive when the heart starts beating. The fetus becomes a newborn at birth.

If you flushed it down the sink, you should be shameful of that. The tissue is to be disposed of as medical waste or buried/cremated per state guidelines.
 

Jeremiah 1:5​



Genesis 25:23​

God knew Jeremiah before he was born. And specific others that He planned to use, to guide the rest of us born as humans.

Do you think when Jeremiah died a human death, he no longer existed and there was no entity that God could love or communicate with etc?

Knowing Jeremiah before he was born, means God knew him in some other form of existence, right? As a spirit or soul or whatever it may be, but NOT as a human being....and as my understanding, that entity that Jeremiah was before birth, goes back to that entity after a human existence and a human's death....in other words, the entity that became Jeremiah, is still the same entity after death.

Say as example, if Jeremiah were to have died just after birthing, or even before its first breath of life, the entity that God knew before his birth, God would still know after his death as a human, no?? Death as a human is not the end all, or be all, right?
 
Zafira Cherry, why do you disagree with this comment?



Yes seriously. They're shown breathing on ultrasounds. 🙄



Okay so you got me there.
unborn humans dont breath people!
They get oxygen through the umbilical cord.
As soon as a human is born, they start to breath.
 
unborn humans dont breath people!
They get oxygen through the umbilical cord.
As soon as a human is born, they start to breath.

So then why do their chests rise and fall in the ultrasound if they're not breathing?
 
Honestly how is bacteria on Mars a form of life and a baby in the womb is not?
 
So then why do their chests rise and fall in the ultrasound if they're not breathing?
They are "practicing." It is lung development.
“Development of the lower respiratory tract begins on day 22 and continues to form the trachea, lungs, bronchi, and alveoli”
by 36 weeks, your baby’s lungs are formed enough to take their first breath

at 3-6 weeks of pregnancy:​

At 3-6 weeks gestation, your baby’s lower respiratory tract begins to develop. A small pouch of tissue called the lung bud is created from the front wall of the tube that will become your baby’s esophagus.

Over the next week, the single bud will split into two separate buds (one for each lung), and the trachea (windpipe) will start to form between them.

By the end of 6 weeks, your baby’s larynx, trachea, lungs, lobes of the lungs, and bronchopulmonary segments have formed! (Aka, the basic structures of the respiratory system).

from 5-18 weeks:​

From 5-17 weeks, this stage of fetal lung development is primarily responsible for generating the bronchial tree. By the end of week 16, your baby will have their first 20 generations of the respiratory tree!

At 17 weeks of pregnancy, your baby’s lungs have developed their main bronchioles, cartilage, and smooth muscle. However, the respiratory bronchioles have not developed yet. Therefore, infants born at this stage are unable to facilitate gas exchange and are unable to survive [1].

At about 18 weeks, the smallest tubes (bronchioles) start to develop at the tips of the branches. At the end of these tiny tubes, respiratory sacs that eventually form the alveoli begin to appear.

The alveoli are where the lungs and the blood exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide during the process of breathing in and breathing out.

From 24-40 weeks:​

From 24 weeks of pregnancy on (until your child is about 8 years old) these respiratory sacs grow and multiply, adding more surface area for the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide.

Starting at 24 weeks, they start making a substance called surfactant, which coats the alveoli and keeps them inflated when there’s not a lot of air in the lungs (when exhaling, for example).

Adequate surfactant production is not until about 35 weeks, so infants born at that time have a much higher likelihood of independent breathing and survival than those born at 24 weeks.

By 40 weeks, your baby has about 150 million alveoli in his lungs, ready to take over the job of breathing once he’s born. By the time your child is eight years old, he will have another 150 million, which is the same number as you!

What is Practice Breathing?​

Practice breathing is important for lung development and preparing for life outside of the uterus. Practice breathing can start as early as 10 weeks.

Between 24-28 weeks of gestation, fetuses practice breathe about 14% of the time [3]. Then, by 34 to 40 weeks practice breathing increases to about 30% of the time [4].
 
Okay so they're practice breathing then. That's pretty darn close to breathing.
 
A fetus breathing in the womb is kind of silly if you think about it. Crawl yourself up into something completely air tight, and see how long you can breath.
 

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