When did 'liberals' stop believing in free speech?

[bripat9643]

You mean like Bill Cliinton throwing out Marines that questioned Hillary's refusal to first help and then lie about Benghazi?
that kind of freedom of speech violation? and last I checked, Bill and Hillary are pretty much as far left as you can get, well, except for Bernie, is pretty far left.

It was one Marine and Bill began a conversation with him. It turned sour when the guy began giving a speech and it became obvious that he was only going to rant about Benghazi and his claim about wanting to discuss veterans issues was a scam and pretext for the Benghazi rant. So you start your post out with a lie and then distort with the rest of it.

I expected the socialists to protect their own.
thanks for not letting me down.
so now tell me,, what makes that different from someone trying to disrupt the Trump rally?
Oh, thats right, its ok for liberals to act like total assholes.

What do you think the protestors were doing that hasn't been done since the beginnings of democracy in countries all over the world, including this one. The folks acting like assholes were Trump and his supporters. Trump standing on that stage out of control hollering with his angry red/orange face and participants in the audience shoving and assaulting peaceful protestors tells the story and the world saw it. Trump, Presidential, what a fantasy and joke. He proved his temperament and lack of emotional control for all the world to see.

Here's what they did: deliberately disrupt a private campaign event. That's something only left-wing douche nozzles have ever done. Some Republicans have put up with it. However, we've seen how that harms their campaigns. Trump isn't so stupid.

Sucks for you douche nozzles.

Maybe that is why he did so great last night and only got his ass half way kicked by voters.

You're delusional if you think Republicans give a hoot about Trump booting protesters out of his events. That's one reason they like Trump.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So what this story is isn't censorship, it's man who isn't qualified to do job who may be told to stop doing job and kicking up a fuss because he wants to keep doing that job.

Lol, 'not qualified' is the new 'verboten thought' label used by leftwing fascists to silence those they disapprove of?

How interesting.

It's also funny how the state defines "qualified"

Usually it means they got a 70 on a standardized test.

Sorry but I don't think a guy who could only get a C (average) grade is qualified to give advice to anyone

not sure what degree or state certificate you are talking about but I can tell you that in order to become even a social worker in the state of Maryland you have to carry at minimum a 3.0 average ( B ) in all of the classes you take. If you get a 4.0 in every class but one, and that one class is less than a 3.0, you have to retake it before you can get certified.

Any so called professional licence exam required by the several states I held licenses in insurance and securities only required a 70 to pass
The same goes for contractors, electricians plumbers whatever

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Conservatives believe in Free speech except for Doctors in Emergency Rooms talking to victims of Domestic violence about guns in the household...such speech is strictly forbidden ...carry on

they can ask but it has nothing to do with the treatment so as long as they don't expect an answer everything is good.

will there be a government regulator there to make sure ....?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Didn't we have a bunch of threads recently by conservatives telling Romney to shut up? That plus the treatment of protesters at Trump rallies by the rank and file bullies should give a clue about who disrespects freedom of speech.

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[Maryland Patriot]

So what this story is isn't censorship, it's man who isn't qualified to do job who may be told to stop doing job and kicking up a fuss because he wants to keep doing that job.

Lol, 'not qualified' is the new 'verboten thought' label used by leftwing fascists to silence those they disapprove of?

How interesting.

It's also funny how the state defines "qualified"

Usually it means they got a 70 on a standardized test.

Sorry but I don't think a guy who could only get a C (average) grade is qualified to give advice to anyone

not sure what degree or state certificate you are talking about but I can tell you that in order to become even a social worker in the state of Maryland you have to carry at minimum a 3.0 average ( B ) in all of the classes you take. If you get a 4.0 in every class but one, and that one class is less than a 3.0, you have to retake it before you can get certified.

Any so called professional licence exam required by the several states I held licenses in insurance and securities only required a 70 to pass
The same goes for contractors, electricians plumbers whatever

Program Requirements - UM School of Social Work - University of Maryland, Baltimore
the fields you mentioned are not exactly critical or for the intellectual. Have you ever seen the workers? they can even keep their butt cracks from hanging out.

 

[regent]

I guess the first time free speech was declared unlawful was back in 1798 when the conservative Federalist party passed the free speech act, and It became illegal to criticize the president or others in the Federalist government. People were arrested and when Jefferson became president most of the sedition laws were dropped. It may have been a major factor in killing off the first conservative party the Federalists.

The Federalists were the pro-government party. The modern equivalent would be the Democrat party, not the Republican party.

The name of a political party may have some correlation with a political philosophy and it may not. Liberal and conservative are better labels of an ideology. For example after the Civil War, southern Conservatives joined the Democratic party, not because of the liberal ideology but because it was the Republican party that freed the slaves.
In 1798 the party of Adams, and Hamilton were considered conservative and the party of Jefferson and Madison, liberal. In fact, the Democratic party of today trace their heritage back to Jefferson. And it sounds like the conservatives of today trace their heritage back, not to Lincoln, but to Reagan.
High school students often have trouble with the political party names of that early period, Republicans which in those early days were the liberal party.
In any case, many historians believe, it was the Alien and Sedition Acts that spelled the end of the first conservative party, the Federalists.

 

[FA_Q2]

So what this story is isn't censorship, it's man who isn't qualified to do job who may be told to stop doing job and kicking up a fuss because he wants to keep doing that job.

Lol, 'not qualified' is the new 'verboten thought' label used by leftwing fascists to silence those they disapprove of?

How interesting.

It's also funny how the state defines "qualified"

Usually it means they got a 70 on a standardized test.

Sorry but I don't think a guy who could only get a C (average) grade is qualified to give advice to anyone

not sure what degree or state certificate you are talking about but I can tell you that in order to become even a social worker in the state of Maryland you have to carry at minimum a 3.0 average ( B ) in all of the classes you take. If you get a 4.0 in every class but one, and that one class is less than a 3.0, you have to retake it before you can get certified.

Any so called professional licence exam required by the several states I held licenses in insurance and securities only required a 70 to pass
The same goes for contractors, electricians plumbers whatever

The more relevant question is weather or not you think that those tests were indicative of your ability to preform in that field.

I don't really think there is a difference if you scored 70% or 100% - most of those tests do nothing but gauge how well you memorized some material that has nothing to do with your actual job requirements.

 

[bripat9643]

I guess the first time free speech was declared unlawful was back in 1798 when the conservative Federalist party passed the free speech act, and It became illegal to criticize the president or others in the Federalist government. People were arrested and when Jefferson became president most of the sedition laws were dropped. It may have been a major factor in killing off the first conservative party the Federalists.

The Federalists were the pro-government party. The modern equivalent would be the Democrat party, not the Republican party.

The name of a political party may have some correlation with a political philosophy and it may not. Liberal and conservative are better labels of an ideology. For example after the Civil War, southern Conservatives joined the Democratic party, not because of the liberal ideology but because it was the Republican party that freed the slaves.
In 1798 the party of Adams, and Hamilton were considered conservative and the party of Jefferson and Madison, liberal. In fact, the Democratic party of today trace their heritage back to Jefferson. And it sounds like the conservatives of today trace their heritage back, not to Lincoln, but to Reagan.
High school students often have trouble with the political party names of that early period, Republicans which in those early days were the liberal party.
In any case, many historians believe, it was the Alien and Sedition Acts that spelled the end of the first conservative party, the Federalists.

The Federalists were not the "conservative" party. They were the big government party - liberal, in other words. Modern liberals have nothing in common with Jefferson and Madison. They often go out of their way to pain Jefferson as a racist homophobic sexist white male.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So what this story is isn't censorship, it's man who isn't qualified to do job who may be told to stop doing job and kicking up a fuss because he wants to keep doing that job.

How did you determine he's not qualified?

 

[BULLDOG]

Ramsey makes a lot of money peddling financial advice, but financial advisers are required by law to meet standards that he doesn't meet. It works the same way with medical advice. I thought right wingers believed in obeying the law.

I'm libertarian. We believe the government has no business deciding who is qualified and who isn't.

And just as soon as libertarians start making the laws, you can put a stop to all that, but as long as you are such a small minority, I guess you need to suck it up and quit whining.

Interesting that you purport to not be against free speech and yet here you are telling him that he needs to shut up...

No, libertarians, communists, totalitarians, anarchists and everyone in between does not need to 'stop whining.' They need to continue whining because that is where change starts - with using your speech to spread the ideas you think are best for the nation.

You don't understand what free speech is. I am allowed to use my free speech to say STFU.

 

[Manchester]

So what this story is isn't censorship, it's man who isn't qualified to do job who may be told to stop doing job and kicking up a fuss because he wants to keep doing that job.

How did you determine he's not qualified?

I don't. The law will, it's why he's kicking up a fuss. Keep up at the back.

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Ramsey makes a lot of money peddling financial advice, but financial advisers are required by law to meet standards that he doesn't meet. It works the same way with medical advice. I thought right wingers believed in obeying the law.

In other words, if my mother gives me health food advice she should first get registered with the federal government. I'm sure you are going to point out the fact that my mother is not making money off of it. That is true but it doesn't help you because advice columns in newspapers often give advice of all kinds such as psychological, social, finacial, etc, etc. Should Dear Abby type of advice columns have to be registered with the government before they can officially give advice to others?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So what this story is isn't censorship, it's man who isn't qualified to do job who may be told to stop doing job and kicking up a fuss because he wants to keep doing that job.

How did you determine he's not qualified?

I don't. The law will, it's why he's kicking up a fuss. Keep up at the back.

So only the government can determine qualifications? The market can't do that?

 

[bripat9643]

Ramsey makes a lot of money peddling financial advice, but financial advisers are required by law to meet standards that he doesn't meet. It works the same way with medical advice. I thought right wingers believed in obeying the law.

In other words, if my mother gives me health food advice she should first get registered with the federal government. I'm sure you are going to point out the fact that my mother is not making money off of it. That is true but it doesn't help you because advice columns in newspapers often give advice of all kinds such as psychological, social, finacial, etc, etc. Should Dear Abby type of advice columns have to be registered with the government before they can officially give advice to others?

Anyone who supports these regulations is a Nazi douche nozzle.

 

[Deleted member 53821]

I guess the first time free speech was declared unlawful was back in 1798 when the conservative Federalist party passed the free speech act, and It became illegal to criticize the president or others in the Federalist government. People were arrested and when Jefferson became president most of the sedition laws were dropped. It may have been a major factor in killing off the first conservative party the Federalists.

Those people who ended those acts would not have understood why we need to get a government license to give advice. It makes me wonder are these people liberals at all?

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Conservatives believe in Free speech except for Doctors in Emergency Rooms talking to victims of Domestic violence about guns in the household...such speech is strictly forbidden ...carry on

That is actually governments forcing people to talk...

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Didn't we have a bunch of threads recently by conservatives telling Romney to shut up? That plus the treatment of protesters at Trump rallies by the rank and file bullies should give a clue about who disrespects freedom of speech.

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I tried to comprehend what you just said but this is not a coherent sentence.

--Hilter Resurrected The way things have been going on the right--

Who was Hilter?

 

[Desperado]

When did 'liberals' stop believing in free speech?
The very first time they heard someone disagree with them.
Liberals are not very open minded.

 

[Manchester]

So what this story is isn't censorship, it's man who isn't qualified to do job who may be told to stop doing job and kicking up a fuss because he wants to keep doing that job.

How did you determine he's not qualified?

I don't. The law will, it's why he's kicking up a fuss. Keep up at the back.

So only the government can determine qualifications? The market can't do that?

For legislative purposes? Yes exclusively. You can't have business deciding what is legally necessary for business any more than you can have the wolves deciding how high the fence to the chicken coup should be.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Liberals are still trying to silence Limbaugh FFS