What's wrong with Christianity

[Arlette]

So it's not a fact the universe popped into existence? It's not a fact that there was a great migration from Mesopotamia? It's not a fact that people prefer good over evil and when they violate it they rationalize they didn't violate it?

You lack the necessary intelligence to read these account. Stick to your time traveling fantasies.

 

[Stann]

So it's not a fact the universe popped into existence? It's not a fact that there was a great migration from Mesopotamia? It's not a fact that people prefer good over evil and when they violate it they rationalize they didn't violate it?

You lack the necessary intelligence to read these account. Stick to your time traveling fantasies.

Your knowledge of the physical universe is very limited. The Big Bang is the logical conclusion of a compression cycle. This has happened again and again within the framework of time. This time the " human " race evolved in the rift region of East Africa and spread throughout the world from the point. People are pragmatic and utilize what works. Evil is a religious concept and only exists in one's mind. Truth and understanding will rid you of all those myths and lies. The ignorance they arose out of is not a healthy concept for anyone to live with.

 

[kjw47]

I'm sure that's true , IT wouldn't make assholes like you. You did this to yourself.

I share Gods truth with you. You reject it because the darkness owns you, it owns 99% on earth. Have you read the bible? 99% throughout= mislead.

 

[Stann]

I share Gods truth with you. You reject it because the darkness owns you, it owns 99% on earth. Have you read the bible? 99% throughout= mislead.

Iny youth I was fascinated with the Bible. I owned and read the Catholic Bible , a Protestant Bible, the Coptic Bible ( oldest and most unfettered ) and the Jefferson Bible ( best of all , only contained the purported words of Christ and no extraneous commentary or opinions , and no foolish Old Testament with laws in it which were barbaric and made to heathen gods.

 

[kjw47]

Iny youth I was fascinated with the Bible. I owned and read the Catholic Bible , a Protestant Bible, the Coptic Bible ( oldest and most unfettered ) and the Jefferson Bible ( best of all , only contained the purported words of Christ and no extraneous commentary or opinions , and no foolish Old Testament with laws in it which were barbaric and made to heathen gods.

Thus you live in darkness. All trinity translations are corrupt. the true living God inspired the OT--Its him you reject to serve his adversary. Mortals have 0 choice in that matter, they either serve God or satan.

 

[Stann]

Thus you live in darkness. All trinity translations are corrupt. the true living God inspired the OT--Its him you reject to serve his adversary. Mortals have 0 choice in that matter, they either serve God or satan.

You are obviously a fool. All religious writings are dogma / propaganda of the religion. You can't even distinguish between the writings honoring barbaric gods and the literature about the new found god n Christ. All scripture in the Bible/ Bibles refers to no less than four different deities.

 

[kjw47]

You are obviously a fool. All religious writings are dogma / propaganda of the religion. You can't even distinguish between the writings honoring barbaric gods and the literature about the new found god n Christ. All scripture in the Bible/ Bibles refers to no less than four different deities.

Maybe in error filled trinity translations, but in a real translation= I am YHVH(Jehovah)beside me( not we) there is no other God.( Isaiah 44:6)

 

[Stann]

Maybe in error filled trinity translations, but in a real translation= I am YHVH(Jehovah)beside me( not we) there is no other God.( Isaiah 44:6)

Error filled versions the version you are quoting KJV that came out in 1611. Early versions had less errors. None of them were filled with facts of any kind.

 

[onefour1]

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1. God is self-existent. All intelligence is self-existent and was not created or made and neither indeed can be.
Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

2. God and all the intelligences have always existed. Elements or matter have always existed and were not created or made. Creation is not the creation from nothing but the organizing of already existing matter and intelligences.
Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

3. The Big Bang is only a theory and not a fact. God is the organizer of the universe and exactly how he did it we don't fully understand. What we do know is that there is intelligence associated with much of matter. God could simply command the intelligence and they would obey. Just as Moses was given this power when he parted the red sea. God commands and they elements obey. God has been involved and participating in the events of history throughout history. I wouldn't say he does nothing.

4. Yes, God created the earth but it wasn't 4 billion years ago. It was approximately 13,000 years ago. The seven days of creation were 7000 years and then we have been in this mortal state on the earth for approximately 6000 years. All during those times God was active in doing things and was never doing nothing. God leads his church today on the earth and answer the prayers of the faithful.
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

5. Yes, God created dinosaurs.

6. Dinosaurs were subject to death just as all living beings are subject to death on this temporary mortal world. However, I believe that God resurrects not only mankind but all living things to live forever and ever for all eternity.

7. Yes, God create mankind in his very image and likeness. God himself is an exalted man and has a body of flesh and bones. This is why Jesus was resurrected with a body of flesh and bones and he appeared before his disciples and let them feel the prints in his hands and then had supper with them.
Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

8 When God created the earth, he started with only two humans, Adam and Eve. After a great deal of time, they multiplied and began to fill certain area on the earth. It wasn't until after the days of Noah that the earth was divided into various land masses. Yes, he has been active mankind's history and still is.
Genesis 10:25
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

9. Yes, Jesus came to earth as the Savior of mankind and suffered for all the sins of every human being that existed on the earth. It was not fair that a sinless being suffer and die for all the sins of the world. But he did. And as his recompense for his unjust sufferings he was granted the right to forgive sins if we but simply repent and turn away from our evil ways. Jesus won the right to forgive us. Why did he he do it? Because he loves us and wants us to succeed in life by learning good and evil and learning to choose good over evil. This life is a school of hard knocks. But it is temporary. Those who learn to be good and put off evil can be forgiven for all their sins by repenting and turning to righteousness. Jesus will resurrected us all to immortality and we all will live forever. Only those who learn to be good will live among those who are good while those who choose to be evil will live among those who also chose to be evil in eternity.

10. God has always been in the world try to direct his children to do good through prompting of the Holy Spirit. Mankind has ignored God and the church he established while on earth had fallen into a state of apostasy. Over time God did appear again to his prophet Joseph Smith in 1820 and by 1830 restored his church again upon the face of the earth. He has been very active in these last days before his second coming in bringing about much righteousness in the earth. But mankind are still full of pride and God has prophesied that wickedness in these last days will be as in the days of Noah before the flood.
Joseph Smith-- History 1

It is very legit. Jesus is soon to come again upon the earth and destroy the wicked from off the face of the earth and usher in his 1000 year millennial reign upon the earth. The wicked on the earth will be burned at his coming. Righteousness will reign for 1000 years. So my advice to you is to be ready and repent and be numbered among the righteous so that you are not burned at his coming.

Malachi 4
Chapter 4

At the Second Coming, the proud and wicked will be burned as stubble—Elijah will return before that great and dreadful day.

1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Isaiah 24:6
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

 

[Stann]

1. God is self-existent. All intelligence is self-existent and was not created or made and neither indeed can be.
Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

2. God and all the intelligences have always existed. Elements or matter have always existed and were not created or made. Creation is not the creation from nothing but the organizing of already existing matter and intelligences.
Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

3. The Big Bang is only a theory and not a fact. God is the organizer of the universe and exactly how he did it we don't fully understand. What we do know is that there is intelligence associated with much of matter. God could simply command the intelligence and they would obey. Just as Moses was given this power when he parted the red sea. God commands and they elements obey. God has been involved and participating in the events of history throughout history. I wouldn't say he does nothing.

4. Yes, God created the earth but it wasn't 4 billion years ago. It was approximately 13,000 years ago. The seven days of creation were 7000 years and then we have been in this mortal state on the earth for approximately 6000 years. All during those times God was active in doing things and was never doing nothing. God leads his church today on the earth and answer the prayers of the faithful.
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

5. Yes, God created dinosaurs.

6. Dinosaurs were subject to death just as all living beings are subject to death on this temporary mortal world. However, I believe that God resurrects not only mankind but all living things to live forever and ever for all eternity.

7. Yes, God create mankind in his very image and likeness. God himself is an exalted man and has a body of flesh and bones. This is why Jesus was resurrected with a body of flesh and bones and he appeared before his disciples and let them feel the prints in his hands and then had supper with them.
Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

8 When God created the earth, he started with only two humans, Adam and Eve. After a great deal of time, they multiplied and began to fill certain area on the earth. It wasn't until after the days of Noah that the earth was divided into various land masses. Yes, he has been active mankind's history and still is.
Genesis 10:25
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

9. Yes, Jesus came to earth as the Savior of mankind and suffered for all the sins of every human being that existed on the earth. It was not fair that a sinless being suffer and die for all the sins of the world. But he did. And as his recompense for his unjust sufferings he was granted the right to forgive sins if we but simply repent and turn away from our evil ways. Jesus won the right to forgive us. Why did he he do it? Because he loves us and wants us to succeed in life by learning good and evil and learning to choose good over evil. This life is a school of hard knocks. But it is temporary. Those who learn to be good and put off evil can be forgiven for all their sins by repenting and turning to righteousness. Jesus will resurrected us all to immortality and we all will live forever. Only those who learn to be good will live among those who are good while those who choose to be evil will live among those who also chose to be evil in eternity.

10. God has always been in the world try to direct his children to do good through prompting of the Holy Spirit. Mankind has ignored God and the church he established while on earth had fallen into a state of apostasy. Over time God did appear again to his prophet Joseph Smith in 1820 and by 1830 restored his church again upon the face of the earth. He has been very active in these last days before his second coming in bringing about much righteousness in the earth. But mankind are still full of pride and God has prophesied that wickedness in these last days will be as in the days of Noah before the flood.
Joseph Smith-- History 1

It is very legit. Jesus is soon to come again upon the earth and destroy the wicked from off the face of the earth and usher in his 1000 year millennial reign upon the earth. The wicked on the earth will be burned at his coming. Righteousness will reign for 1000 years. So my advice to you is to be ready and repent and be numbered among the righteous so that you are not burned at his coming.

Malachi 4
Chapter 4

At the Second Coming, the proud and wicked will be burned as stubble—Elijah will return before that great and dreadful day.

1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Isaiah 24:6
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

You had some good points given your limited knowledge but then you blew it when you started quoting scripture as references. GOD never played by our rules , IT made the game.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

What kind of things have I done that would lead you to believe I am a fascist?

You are a Republican Party J6 Christian fascist as this round of fascism is described here:

A "roadmap" for "hope, resistance and reconstruction" in a second Trump presidency

The authors of “1/6: The Graphic Novel” on "how everyday people can work to restore and improve our democracy"

www.salon.com

On the centrality of Jan. 6 to Trump’s fascist power and MAGA personality cult, historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat explains in her newsletter how

Jan. 6 radicalized the GOP, accelerating its transformation into an entity dependent on lying, corruption, and the threat and reality of violence against internal enemies. But it is fear, as well as fanaticism, that has kept the GOP disciplined in the years since the insurrection, no one wanting to be a target.​

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Because Donald Trump won the 2024 U.S. election, we did not see the expected waves of political violence “from below” in November. Nor was it necessary to stage some form of replay of the Jan. 6 coup attempt. Instead, we are bracing for the start of institutionalized violence from above. On “Day One,” mass deportations of undocumented people will supposedly start, assisted by the U.S. military –or so the incoming administration hopes.​

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Authoritarianism is the conversion of the rule of law into rule by the lawless. It makes perfect sense that a convicted felon and the man who sent the violent mob into the Capitol on his behalf would initiate an American autocracy.​

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Fascists believe you have to destroy to create, and Jan. 6 has already been canonized because of its violence as a foundational moment of the New Era of Trumpism. If authoritarian history is any guideline, Jan. 6 could become a holiday one day.​

 

[ding]

You are a Republican Party J6 Christian fascist as this round of fascism is described here:

A "roadmap" for "hope, resistance and reconstruction" in a second Trump presidency

The authors of “1/6: The Graphic Novel” on "how everyday people can work to restore and improve our democracy"

www.salon.com

On the centrality of Jan. 6 to Trump’s fascist power and MAGA personality cult, historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat explains in her newsletter how

Jan. 6 radicalized the GOP, accelerating its transformation into an entity dependent on lying, corruption, and the threat and reality of violence against internal enemies. But it is fear, as well as fanaticism, that has kept the GOP disciplined in the years since the insurrection, no one wanting to be a target.​

​

Because Donald Trump won the 2024 U.S. election, we did not see the expected waves of political violence “from below” in November. Nor was it necessary to stage some form of replay of the Jan. 6 coup attempt. Instead, we are bracing for the start of institutionalized violence from above. On “Day One,” mass deportations of undocumented people will supposedly start, assisted by the U.S. military –or so the incoming administration hopes.​

​

Authoritarianism is the conversion of the rule of law into rule by the lawless. It makes perfect sense that a convicted felon and the man who sent the violent mob into the Capitol on his behalf would initiate an American autocracy.​

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Fascists believe you have to destroy to create, and Jan. 6 has already been canonized because of its violence as a foundational moment of the New Era of Trumpism. If authoritarian history is any guideline, Jan. 6 could become a holiday one day.​

Is this a moral argument?

If you believe in a moralistic and providential creator as you claim, is this creator the source of morality and logic?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Is this a moral argument?

No.

it has to do with Americans voting for an open and obvious fascist set to destroy western liberal democracy in a quest for wealth and power for no other reason than those two objectives the detrimentally affect the lives of working class Americans from the middle class on down.

 

[Votto]

Most educated people don't refer to anything in the Bible as fact.

Actually, the scientific study of Biblical Archeology is the only scientific discipline based upon a religious document.

You might say it is the only religious text for educated people, unlike yourself.

 

[Stann]

Actually, the scientific study of Biblical Archeology is the only scientific discipline based upon a religious document.

You might say it is the only religious text for educated people, unlike yourself.

And that makes it easier can more unfortunate.

 

[ding]

Your knowledge of the physical universe is very limited. The Big Bang is the logical conclusion of a compression cycle. This has happened again and again within the framework of time. This time the " human " race evolved in the rift region of East Africa and spread throughout the world from the point. People are pragmatic and utilize what works. Evil is a religious concept and only exists in one's mind. Truth and understanding will rid you of all those myths and lies. The ignorance they arose out of is not a healthy concept for anyone to live with.

I’ve forgotten more science than you ever knew. Your compression cycle is nonsense. You are a science moron. And if you persist in your nonsense I’m going to depants you in front of everyone.

 

[ding]

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It seems like an anti-intellectual take on it to me. Did you at least get a GED?

 

[Stann]

I’ve forgotten more science than you ever knew. Your compression cycle is nonsense. You are a science moron. And if you persist in your nonsense I’m going to depants you in front of everyone.

What degrees do you have in the sciences. I have none but I took over 60 hours in the biological and earth sciences just for the enjoyment of it. I am a round piece in a sea of square pieces. I enjoy that. You are just plain weird. Happy Thanksgiving ! Be thankful those native Americans saved those white asses years ago.

 

[Arlette]

It seems like an anti-intellectual take on it to me. Did you at least get a GED?

Try again cause it's so much fun

 

[kjw47]

Try again cause it's so much fun

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God didn't come to earth, God sent another-John 17:3
False religions teach God came. Seems like you listened to them.