What's wrong with Christianity

[Meriweather]

You're thinking that the Catholic church could survive without accepting homosexuality.

1961: Homosexuals were not accepted into Catholic seminaries nor ordained.
2005: Young men who exhibited deep homosexual traits or supported gay culture were not accepted into Catholic seminaries nor ordained.

 

[Donald H]

What opportunities are given priests today? (The opportunities of a move in the late 1900s were also given to teachers...just move them to another school.) The most protected class of all were family members...the group that has a greater percentage of pedophilia than other groups....

I think the opportunity for priests is built in to the system with altar boys. They seem to be the most frequently molested by priests.

I can't say for certain that the 'opportunity' isn't built into the American school system? There obviously something causing the majority of the political right to want to demolish the public school system.

In both cases, providing priests and teachers an 'opportunity' only allows pedophiles to go undiscovered and unpunished. And then the Pope's claims made to protect those that are discovered only makes the situation worse.

And once again the question? Is the situation being aggravated by the confusion on what the bibles intend on being understood as literally true?

 

[Donald H]

Bring yourself up-to-date. That has taken place for over a quarter of a century now.

It very likely has and is still taking place.

i think we should be talking about the church's lack of firm condemnation of pedophilia, and the understanding on how that differs from the majority of priests being homosexuals.

 

[Meriweather]

I think the opportunity for priests is built in to the system with altar boys. They seem to be the most frequently molested by priests.

That is more than two generations behind the times. First, areas where priests and altar servers put on robes have been in separate areas of the church for about fifty years now. There are more girls serving as altar servers than boys.

I can't say for certain that the 'opportunity' isn't built into the American school system? There obviously something causing the majority of the political right to want to demolish the public school system.

In both cases, providing priests and teachers an 'opportunity' only allows pedophiles to go undiscovered and unpunished. And then the Pope's claims made to protect those that are discovered only makes the situation worse.

And once again the question? Is the situation being aggravated by the confusion on what the bibles intend on being understood as literally true?

There are a number of reasons to dramatically upend the current public school system. Only one small piece has to do with pedophilia.

Why not take a Bible Study class or a catechism class and catch up. No sense in remaining a hundred years behind times.

 

[Meriweather]

It very likely has and is still taking place.

i think we should be talking about the church's lack of firm condemnation of pedophilia, and the understanding on how that differs from the majority of priests being homosexuals.

Since no homosexuals have been ordained priests since 1961 (about sixty-five years ago) and ordination takes place when one is about 31-33 years old, worrying about the number of 95+ year-old-priests who are homosexuals seems pointless.

 

[Donald H]

1961: Homosexuals were not accepted into Catholic seminaries nor ordained.
2005: Young men who exhibited deep homosexual traits or supported gay culture were not accepted into Catholic seminaries nor ordained.

Outward first appearances would suggest that in 2005, but experience with Catholic priests speaks louder,

And so should homosexuals be accepted as priests!

They can easily and quickly find partners with whom to find sexual gratification, without turning to needing children.

Why is pedophilia being discussed in the same discussion as homosexuality? Priests molest little girls too if the opportunity arises.

Can we concentrate more on the question of whether or not the bibles uphold the pedophile's practice?

 

[Donald H]

Since no homosexuals have been ordained priests since 1961 (about sixty-five years ago) and ordination takes place when one is about 31-33 years old, worrying about the number of 95+ year-old-priests who are homosexuals seems pointless.

I'm sorry but 'experience' has proven otherwise. That's a given my friend.

You can still argue that the Catholic church has claimed to have been tricked into accepting homosexuals as priests, and I will have a more difficult job of proving that to be a lie.

Catholic Church and homosexuality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The answers to the questions are still evolving in the same way that the Catholic church found it necessary to accept D. evolution.

 

[Donald H]

Since no homosexuals have been ordained priests since 1961 (about sixty-five years ago) and ordination takes place when one is about 31-33 years old, worrying about the number of 95+ year-old-priests who are homosexuals seems pointless.

I've never suggested that homosexuals shouldn't be priests.

Rather, I would suggest that their sexual demands are being fulfilled and that allows them to concentrate on other more important issues.

 

[ding]

I'm sorry but 'experience' has proven otherwise. That's a given my friend.

You can still argue that the Catholic church has claimed to have been tricked into accepting homosexuals as priests, and I will have a more difficult job of proving that to be a lie.

Putting this in the proper context requires you to put yourself in a 1950's frame of mind. In some cases they probably were "tricked." In other cases they probably weren't. They probably had knowledge or an idea about their impulses. You have to keep in mind that there has always been a left-right division/cliques within the Church. No different than society itself.

But discussing this with you is probably a waste of my time.

 

[Donald H]

Putting this in the proper context requires you to put yourself in a 1950's frame of mind. In some cases they probably were "tricked." In other cases they probably weren't. They probably had knowledge or an idea about their impulses. You have to keep in mind that there has always been a left-right division/cliques within the Church. No different than society itself.

But discussing this with you is probably a waste of my time.

It's not a waste of my time, but it could be of yours?

We can agree that sometimes the Catholic church was tricked into acceptinag homosexuals as priests and sometimes they did knowingly. Most of those doing the screening would likely be gays themselves.

I have nothing to say about gays being accepted or shunned by the C..c.

I have a lot more to say about the C.c. accepting pedophiles as priests and refusing to act against them or even condemning the practice.

However, the bibles afford the church the excuse by not stating clearly that pedophilia must be condemned. It's just another maybe, maybe not, the same as the big fish story.

 

[ding]

Most of those doing the screening would likely be gays themselves.

I don't know that anymore than you could know that. Gays weren't treated so well in the 50's and 60's. So it was a bit of a safe haven so to speak. So I would say it was a distribution.

 

[ding]

I have nothing to say about gays being accepted or shunned by the C..c.

What is there to say about that? Organizations of men and women are representative of society as a whole. So whatever you could say about the Church you could equally say about society.

 

[ding]

I have a lot more to say about the C.c. accepting pedophiles as priests and refusing to act against them or even condemning the practice.

Lay it on me. How many are we talking about? How long ago? And what were the criminal dispositions of those crimes?

 

[ding]

However, the bibles afford the church the excuse by not stating clearly that pedophilia must be condemned. It's just another maybe, maybe not, the same as the big fish story.

You might as well pick up your crack pipe because this is where you are wasting my time.

 

[Donald H]

You might as well pick up your crack pipe because this is where you are wasting my time.

There's no reason or need for you to take part in our discussions, unless you can learn to behave politely.

 

[ding]

There's no reason or need for you to take part in our discussions, unless you can learn to behave politely.

I'll behave politely when you put away your passive aggressiveness. Until then I can choose to respond as rudely as I want as long as I don't try to justify it as moral which I don't. So back the fuck up and stay in your lane.

 

[SmokeALib]

I don't like it when Christians argue against each other!
We have enough to deal with fighting off the evil in this world.
My in-laws are Christians that tend to interpret The Bible into wild conspiracy theories (chemtrails, successful women are actually men, we bombed the WTC, etc,etc).
I can't have a normal conversation with these people, and we always end our get-togethers in an argument.
Some Christians simply can't use their God-given common sense and read God's Word for what it is, and will believe anything and everything they see on the internet.

 

[Meriweather]

Putting this in the proper context requires you to put yourself in a 1950's frame of mind. In some cases they probably were "tricked." In other cases they probably weren't. They probably had knowledge or an idea about their impulses. You have to keep in mind that there has always been a left-right division/cliques within the Church. No different than society itself.

"Let's find something wrong...." Whether this is with a person, an organization, or an idea or faith....

It's hard to understand not wanting to research the plus side of any of the above.

 

[ding]

"Let's find something wrong...." Whether this is with a person, an organization, or an idea or faith....

It's hard to understand not wanting to research the plus side of any of the above.

"Let's find something wrong" is the essence of critical theory which is the practice of criticizing what one does not believe to arrive at what one does believe without ever having to test what one believes. You can see that here on an hourly basis. Building a logical, sequential affirmative case for what people believe is beyond the capabilities of many of the posters.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What's wrong with Christianity​

How long you gonna be here?

There are two fools with religion -

Those that take religion literally.

and

Those that think it has no value.