What would it take to secure the Strait?

Iran committed an international crime by closing the Strait of Hormuz to neutral shipping. They are a criminal regime.
Iran has been attacked in violation of International Law - therefore they have the right to close the Straits to those who attacked them - as well to those that provide support towards the attackers - see International Law.

The USA is boycotting Cuba - not allowing for free passage of goods - Though Cuba has NEVER threatened the USA - The USA are a criminal regime. The USA has abducted the leader of a foreign country - The USA are a criminal regime.
 
But, given that we all understand that this mythical Iranian nuclear program was just a stupid pretext, and the real goal, in the best case, was put his hands on Iranian resources and acquire a leverage against Russia, China and Europe, this consent couldn't be given.
My personal opinion is that upon TACO tearing up the JCPOA in 2017, assassinating Soleimani in 2020, and latest upon attacking Iran in 2025 - Iran intensified its pursue of nuclear weapons.

No one wants Iran's Mullahs and their IRGC to have nuclear weapons - also not Russia and China (both have their issues with radical Muslims). Therefore a consultation and agreement between the USA, NATO, Russia and China, in regards to Iran is very feasible. I dare to say even a military option against Iran can be negotiated.

However TACO doesn't know how to negotiate diplomatically, and everyone knowing that he is a pathological liar - he would never get a consent on this matter. It would therefore be up to another US administration to pursue this path.

As you already stated his "target" is China and since he is a man of the 20th century - he only believes in Oil&Gas. Therefore Iran was a logical subsequent move by him upon Venezuela and his Panama blackmail. That Bibi coned him into eradicating Iran's leadership, would be the right way to attack Iran - only emboldened him.
Yep. Trump made pretty stupid thing, and now Americans (and not only they) pay for it. Soon, they will pay much more, especially given the situation with American farmers.
And now the only question we have is will America alleviate right now and pay more or less acceptable price for it's stupidity or America will escalate and pay much more significant (one could even say "terrible") price for it?
IMO, he will give it a last "devastating" bombing run on Iran, and might try to take one or two of Iran's islands in the Straits. To have something to negotiate about. Which then he can sell off as a victory "like no other country has achieved before in human history" before he chickens out for good. After-all he has a lot off targets on his list, to make money and run the global economy into the ground.
 
Nobody is rooting for Taliban you fukking moron. I’m pointing out the pattern; the GOP starts a war in the Middle East and we’re there for a few decades.

Iraq was a clusterfuck and remains so...it only costs us 6,000 soldier. It made the oil compaies a lot of money...that much is true.

Franks retired in 2003; the year we started our 23+ year commitment in Iraq so you’re full of shit there too.

Is there any topic under the sun that you actually know something about?
Franks did a wonderful job. He retired shortly after he won the war. Problems later on were not his fault. It pleases me you claim not to root for the Taliban. I meant the Iranian regime, what ever that is. I am well versed in Franks since at the time I closely followed that war since I am a veteran myself. I own Franks book and De Longs book going into details of the war with Afghanistan plus the war with Saddam Hussein. You know he was hung, I hope.

I now ask you. Is there any topic in the Solar system you actually know something about? When did you read the important books I read in addition to closely following both of the wars?
 
My personal opinion is that upon TACO tearing up the JCPOA in 2017, assassinating Soleimani in 2020, and latest upon attacking Iran in 2025 - Iran intensified its pursue of nuclear weapons.

No one wants Iran's Mullahs and their IRGC to have nuclear weapons - also not Russia and China (both have their issues with radical Muslims). Therefore a consultation and agreement between the USA, NATO, Russia and China, in regards to Iran is very feasible. I dare to say even a military option against Iran can be negotiated.

However TACO doesn't know how to negotiate diplomatically, and everyone knowing that he is a pathological liar - he would never get a consent on this matter. It would therefore be up to another US administration to pursue this path.

As you already stated his "target" is China and since he is a man of the 20th century - he only believes in Oil&Gas. Therefore Iran was a logical subsequent move by him upon Venezuela and his Panama blackmail. That Bibi coned him into eradicating Iran's leadership, would be the right way to attack Iran - only emboldened him.

IMO, he will give it a last "devastating" bombing run on Iran, and might try to take one or two of Iran's islands in the Straits. To have something to negotiate about. Which then he can sell off as a victory "like no other country has achieved before in human history" before he chickens out for good. After-all he has a lot off targets on his list, to make money and run the global economy into the ground.
Do you have any leadership background? Have you been a diplomat? Are you actually a fortune teller?
 
Yes - in the military-industry and military

Yes - as a military attaché, serving in several countries.

Nope - but some say so
Have you read Generals Tommy Franks and DeLongs books on two wars, Afghanistan and Iraq?
What rank were you in the military?
 
Have you read Generals Tommy Franks
Yes - if you are referring to "American Soldier". I was stationed in Afghanistan till 2003.
For an alternative and more comprehensive view in regards to Iraq - have you read the book FIASCO by Thomas E. Ricks?
and DeLongs books on two wars, Afghanistan and Iraq?
No - other told me it's a kind of a pathetic account. A lot of Bush's speeches, no analysis and fails to address the blunders made by Rumsfeld. Same goes for a large part of "American Soldier".
What rank were you in the military?
I was promoted to Captain - in 1988. As a military attaché one is at least a Lt. Colonel in the Bundeswehr. I am going to end my military career in September this year, but will continue as an Asia regional consultant for the German Defense industry.
 
Yes - if you are referring to "American Soldier". I was stationed in Afghanistan till 2003.
For an alternative and more comprehensive view in regards to Iraq - have you read the book FIASCO by Thomas E. Ricks?

No - other told me it's a kind of a pathetic account. A lot of Bush's speeches, no analysis and fails to address the blunders made by Rumsfeld. Same goes for a large part of "American Soldier".

I was promoted to Captain - in 1988. As a military attaché one is at least a Lt. Colonel in the Bundeswehr. I am going to end my military career in September this year, but will continue as an Asia regional consultant for the German Defense industry.
I found American Soldier to be an excellent book since his audience was Americans.

I will look into Fiasco by Ricks.

Rumsfeld had little to do with the war, given what Bush promised to General Tommy Franks.

Thank you for explaining your credentials. I would expect various officers do not agree with you. As you don't with them.

Veteran of the war being discussed, review of Fiasco
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Franks book is not by just an author, he was highly experienced and trained. And he was there. Ricks was not there.
 
Franks did a wonderful job. He retired shortly after he won the war. Problems later on were not his fault. It pleases me you claim not to root for the Taliban. I meant the Iranian regime, what ever that is. I am well versed in Franks since at the time I closely followed that war since I am a veteran myself. I own Franks book and De Longs book going into details of the war with Afghanistan plus the war with Saddam Hussein. You know he was hung, I hope.
That is the first correct thing you've ever said. Congrats. Afghanistan is only brought up because it fits the pattern of GOP meddling in the middle east. Its not enough to "win"...we have to dominate.

I now ask you. Is there any topic in the Solar system you actually know something about? When did you read the important books I read in addition to closely following both of the wars?
LOL... the important books you read? Sure.... Dr. Seuss and Encyclopedia Brown are probably the extent of your literary knowledge.
You seem ignorant of the trend I pointed out... Lebanon, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran. All GOP presidents, all resulted in great loss of life of American soldiers, all wound up being cluster fukks.
 
I found American Soldier to be an excellent book since his audience was Americans.

I will look into Fiasco by Ricks.

Rumsfeld had little to do with the war, given what Bush promised to General Tommy Franks.

Thank you for explaining your credentials. I would expect various officers do not agree with you. As you don't with them.

Veteran of the war being discussed, review of Fiasco
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Franks book is not by just an author, he was highly experienced and trained. And he was there. Ricks was not there.
5 out of 5 stars

"Fiasco" it was​

Reviewed in Canada on 11 March 2016
Verified Purchase
"Adventure" is the perfect; description - disaster, ineptitude. Characters involved such as Rumsfeld, Bremer, Wolfowitz should have been charged for their errors in judgement which costs lives and treasury.

Emphasizes how politicians and diplomats should only set objectives and then leave it up to the military to establish the "how".
Failure to understand differences in cultures which have developed over centuries.

5 out of 5 stars

A brilliant exposé of the ineptitude and almost certainly criminal US war in Iraq.​

Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 29 May 2019
Format: Paperback
Verified Purchase
I thought I knew a lot about this war and how the stupidity and incompetence, downright ignorance in many areas, has caused thousands, if not millions of people to die and suffer. This book describes in great detail the unfolding horrors that power in the wrong hands can impose on the world. Emails, reports, conversations and comments take you step by step through the wrongheaded decisions and the complete lack of forward planning and foresight leaves the reader astounded at the sheer ineptitude of those who decide the fate of millions. A must read.

4 out of 5 stars

A Surprising Misadventure Threatens to Ignite the World's Oil Fields for Decades​


Reviewed in Germany on 7 August 2006
Format: Audio CD
Surely, you remember all of those Weapons of Mass Destruction that President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Powell, Secretary Rumsfeld, and The New York Times assured us were being hidden in Iraq. If you have a short memory about what we were told, Fiasco will remind you what came out of those horses' mouths in 2002 and 2003.

If you think back even further, you may also recall an attack on the United States in New York and Washington D.C. that led to about 3,000 deaths caused by an outfit called al-Qaeda headed by a fellow named Osama bin Laden. We haven't found that fellow yet, and we've invaded at least two countries to locate him. He doesn't seem to be in Iraq, either. Fiasco points out that there never was an Iraqi connection to that group of terrorists, but in the aftermath of our invasion Iraq has become the headquarters and training ground for the most active and effective terrorists in the world. Maybe we'll eventually lure bin Laden there.

So why read this book? Well, Mr. Ricks does a superb job of tracking down all of the planning, training and preparation for the post-invasion period that did not occur. As a result, it seems like the United States made virtually every major mistake possible in turning a liberation into a heavy-handed, insensitive occupation that turned the majority of the Iraqi people into opponents of the United States from being favorably disposed. As early as five months after Saddam Hussein was captured, 55% of Iraqis felt that it was more dangerous having American troops in Iraq than to have them all leave immediately.

If you are like me, you'll be disgusted, appalled and ashamed at the travesty of how the United States mismanaged the reconstruction of Iraq. Who is at fault? Well, it's hard to find people who aren't at fault. Feel free to list the usual Republican and Pentagon leaders, but add those in Congress who backed off from providing civilian oversight.

Can you imagine that serious counter-insurgency planning only began in August 2004? And we lost ground in 2005 on that front.

So where are we now? Apparently, we're worse off than if we had stayed home in 2003. The book ends with several scenarios of what might happen next, all of which are even more unpleasant than the reality we have today. Tens of thousands more will die, including thousands of Americans. Power will shift into less friendly hands. More terrorists will be trained. Our supply of oil will be less secure. Gasoline will hit $9.00 a gallon in one scenario.

The book also upholds the honor of the ordinary soldiers and Marines who have done tough duty, far beyond what could have been expected of them . . . without the proper training, support, leadership resources.

My sense from this book is that a sequel will be written ten years from now called Quagmire.

Why did I grade the book down? Despite doing a fine job of tracking down the untold parts of the story, I found that Mr. Ricks loves to editorialize a little too much before he proves his point. Here's an example in the first sentence of the book: "President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003 ultimately may come to be seen as one of the most profligate actions in the history of American foreign policy."

So what are the lessons for us as U.S. citizens? It looks like we should be sure that no one (of either political party) ever gets enough power to head off on such ego trips again. Gridlock looks pretty good as our primary option for getting the government back under control.
 
Emphasizes how politicians and diplomats should only set objectives and then leave it up to the military to establish the "how".
Failure to understand differences in cultures which have developed over centuries.
You said you read the book. Franks clearly told Bush that Franks was going to run the military and not Rumsfeld. So, the military did just that.
 
5 out of 5 stars

"Fiasco" it was​

Reviewed in Canada on 11 March 2016
Verified Purchase
"Adventure" is the perfect; description - disaster, ineptitude. Characters involved such as Rumsfeld, Bremer, Wolfowitz should have been charged for their errors in judgement which costs lives and treasury.

Emphasizes how politicians and diplomats should only set objectives and then leave it up to the military to establish the "how".
Failure to understand differences in cultures which have developed over centuries.

5 out of 5 stars

A brilliant exposé of the ineptitude and almost certainly criminal US war in Iraq.​

Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 29 May 2019
Format: Paperback
Verified Purchase
I thought I knew a lot about this war and how the stupidity and incompetence, downright ignorance in many areas, has caused thousands, if not millions of people to die and suffer. This book describes in great detail the unfolding horrors that power in the wrong hands can impose on the world. Emails, reports, conversations and comments take you step by step through the wrongheaded decisions and the complete lack of forward planning and foresight leaves the reader astounded at the sheer ineptitude of those who decide the fate of millions. A must read.

4 out of 5 stars

A Surprising Misadventure Threatens to Ignite the World's Oil Fields for Decades

Reviewed in Germany on 7 August 2006
Format: Audio CD
Surely, you remember all of those Weapons of Mass Destruction that President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Powell, Secretary Rumsfeld, and The New York Times assured us were being hidden in Iraq. If you have a short memory about what we were told, Fiasco will remind you what came out of those horses' mouths in 2002 and 2003.

If you think back even further, you may also recall an attack on the United States in New York and Washington D.C. that led to about 3,000 deaths caused by an outfit called al-Qaeda headed by a fellow named Osama bin Laden. We haven't found that fellow yet, and we've invaded at least two countries to locate him. He doesn't seem to be in Iraq, either. Fiasco points out that there never was an Iraqi connection to that group of terrorists, but in the aftermath of our invasion Iraq has become the headquarters and training ground for the most active and effective terrorists in the world. Maybe we'll eventually lure bin Laden there.

So why read this book? Well, Mr. Ricks does a superb job of tracking down all of the planning, training and preparation for the post-invasion period that did not occur. As a result, it seems like the United States made virtually every major mistake possible in turning a liberation into a heavy-handed, insensitive occupation that turned the majority of the Iraqi people into opponents of the United States from being favorably disposed. As early as five months after Saddam Hussein was captured, 55% of Iraqis felt that it was more dangerous having American troops in Iraq than to have them all leave immediately.

If you are like me, you'll be disgusted, appalled and ashamed at the travesty of how the United States mismanaged the reconstruction of Iraq. Who is at fault? Well, it's hard to find people who aren't at fault. Feel free to list the usual Republican and Pentagon leaders, but add those in Congress who backed off from providing civilian oversight.

Can you imagine that serious counter-insurgency planning only began in August 2004? And we lost ground in 2005 on that front.

So where are we now? Apparently, we're worse off than if we had stayed home in 2003. The book ends with several scenarios of what might happen next, all of which are even more unpleasant than the reality we have today. Tens of thousands more will die, including thousands of Americans. Power will shift into less friendly hands. More terrorists will be trained. Our supply of oil will be less secure. Gasoline will hit $9.00 a gallon in one scenario.

The book also upholds the honor of the ordinary soldiers and Marines who have done tough duty, far beyond what could have been expected of them . . . without the proper training, support, leadership resources.

My sense from this book is that a sequel will be written ten years from now called Quagmire.

Why did I grade the book down? Despite doing a fine job of tracking down the untold parts of the story, I found that Mr. Ricks loves to editorialize a little too much before he proves his point. Here's an example in the first sentence of the book: "President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003 ultimately may come to be seen as one of the most profligate actions in the history of American foreign policy."

So what are the lessons for us as U.S. citizens? It looks like we should be sure that no one (of either political party) ever gets enough power to head off on such ego trips again. Gridlock looks pretty good as our primary option for getting the government back under control.
Bremer also wrote a book I own on the situation in Iraq after the US conquered Saddam Hussein. Who was hung for his crimes. To understand what happened in Iraq, all 3 books by the experts are a must to read. Bremer faced an Iraq that lost Hussein, so they had spent years under his control which was so serious he executed citizens for the fun of it.

America today is very confused. The Trump haters have painted him as a dictator that you promote in fact.
 
That is the first correct thing you've ever said. Congrats. Afghanistan is only brought up because it fits the pattern of GOP meddling in the middle east. Its not enough to "win"...we have to dominate.
No, it is just my normal posts. When will you post a correct story? Afghanistan was won by Afghanis with some help from the Franks forces primarily in the air and bombing. Franks also ordered supplies such as food be dropped to the regular population, so they were not drastically impacted.

Does anybody know a lot about
Candycorn who parades here like she is the expert over all of us.

As to the GOP meddling, the Taliban has no right to rule Afghanistan. Perhaps your problem is you like what they do to females.
 
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I found American Soldier to be an excellent book since his audience was Americans.
I thought so ;)
I will look into Fiasco by Ricks.
I would strongly recommend it to you
Rumsfeld had little to do with the war, given what Bush promised to General Tommy Franks.
Absolutely wrong
Thank you for explaining your credentials. I would expect various officers do not agree with you. As you don't with them.
Are you familiar with 4star General Austin S. Miller? we both met first in Somalia in 1993 both of us were Captains at the time and serving in the respective special forces - we met again as Major's in Bosnia in 1996 and a last time in Afghanistan in June 2021.

Now that fellow is a "REAL" combat proven "dirt-pig" soldier from bottom up - we are about the same age, and him and me are agreeable to almost 100%. Unlike a Tommy Ray Franks who aside from serving in the artillery for less than year in Vietnam - is a typical politics career desk officer. Just my personal opinion.
 
No, it is just my normal posts. When will you post a correct story? Afghanistan was won by Afghanis with some help from the Franks forces primarily in the air and bombing. Franks also ordered supplies such as food be dropped to the regular population, so they were not drastically impacted.
And we were there for 20+ years why exactly? You can't get around that **** up can you?

If 20+ years of death and destruction and kids serving in the same theater as their parents is winning....next time keep your trophy schit brains.

Does anybody know a lot about
Candycorn who parades here like she is the expert over all of us.
Experts over all of you is a pretty low bar considering the idiotic stuff you believe.

As to the GOP meddling, the Taliban has no right to rule Afghanistan. Perhaps your problem is you like what they do to females.
Meanwhile back in reality your blob signed the surrender papers with the Taliban giving them the right to treat females the way your hero Trump does.
 
And we were there for 20+ years why exactly? You can't get around that **** up can you?

If 20+ years of death and destruction and kids serving in the same theater as their parents is winning....next time keep your trophy schit brains.
Obama kept them there for his 8 years so ask about why he kept them there. As to Biden, he welcomed the Taliban and gave them millions of dollars' worth of war materials and free bases. Trump had plans to remover our troops and remover our weapons.
 
Meanwhile back in reality your blob signed the surrender papers with the Taliban giving them the right to treat females the way your hero Trump does.
So now your claim is Trump was going to take out our troops. And of course, you call that surrender so why the hell are you mad at Trump?
 
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