What would it take to secure the Strait?

[Mac-7]

Search and Destroy

The launching crews and their spotters act independently of any regime.

Iran is a big country

A lot of mountians and a lot caves

We may stop most of them but not all

 

[Mac-7]

Our Navy Has Gone AWOL

None of that Old School, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" Dead White Men stuff.

The primary targets are merchant ships

 

[Kruska]

You seem very offended that we agree.

Your stated reasons for this not to happen are based on a faulty assumption - therefore are TOTALLY different from mine.

BTW: did you serve in 3rd BN 7th ADA in Schweinfurt?, If you were in Battery B, your TAC site was located in Area "M" ?

 

[Robert W]

Your stated reasons for this not to happen are based on a faulty assumption - therefore are TOTALLY different from mine.

BTW: did you serve in 3rd BN 7th ADA in Schweinfurt?, If you were in Battery B, your TAC site was located in Area "M" ?

No. When I was at Ledward Barracks, we were then HQ and HQ co, 1st Bn, 30th Infantry in the 3rd Division.

 

[Kruska]

And now tell us what if Russia and China don't agree. And they don't agree. What if neither NATO, nor Kurds agree, too?

That's why TACO, his Whiskey Pete and their entire boy-cabinet, totally fu..ed up on this.

No matter how many military resources the US puts into this - without at least the approval/consensus from NATO and Kurdish separatists, and the US Congress, there is no way to solve this issue by military means. Nuking isn't an option IMO since Putin will take this as a carte blanche for Ukraine, so will any other nuclear wielding country.

 

[Robert W]

Your stated reasons for this not to happen are based on a faulty assumption - therefore are TOTALLY different from mine.

BTW: did you serve in 3rd BN 7th ADA in Schweinfurt?, If you were in Battery B, your TAC site was located in Area "M" ?

I was there in 1962-63 and at that time the unit you mention was not there. l I know nothing of Area M. Things change over time.,

 

[Kruska]

I was there in 1962-63 and at that time the unit you mention was not there. l I know nothing of Area M. Things change over time.,

I was referring to that photo of yours - HAWK unit. !! - that was stationed first in 1963 at Schweinfurt.

 

[Zavulon]

That's why TACO, his Whiskey Pete and their entire boy-cabinet, totally fu..ed up on this.

No matter how many military resources the US puts into this - without at least the approval/consensus from NATO and Kurdish separatists, and the US Congress, there is no way to solve this issue by military means. Nuking isn't an option IMO since Putin will take this as a carte blanche for Ukraine, so will any other nuclear wielding country.

That's why America alone can't do it. What is even more important, even with support of whole NATO and Kurds, but with Russia and China actively against it, America won't be able to win either.

 

[Robert W]

I was referring to that photo of yours - HAWK unit. !! - that was stationed first in 1963 at Schweinfurt.

I got the photo taken by one of the guys. Can't claim to recall who did it. I believe that photo was taken on the 4th of July. Also, there was the last Atomic Cannon.

 

[candycorn]

Political courage? Have you looked at Hamas in Gaza? They had billions flowing in and what did they do with it? Spread it out to the Gazans? No, they used every dime to fortify themselves, build underground fortresses and bunkers, tunnels, hardened fortifications under hospitals and other places they knew were verboten targets in war.

The Iranians are no different. Ever since the mullahs and IRGC took control in the 1970s, they have spent billions fortifying themselves not to defeat a superpower but to withstand a superpower. If you lop the head off, the arms take over, if you cut the arms off, some other part takes over, with many leaders able to operate independently.

With tunnels dug in and fortifications within civilian districts, under houses, public buildings, disguised as homes and offices, they have spent years, decades building up arms and offenses to attack the Strait, back doors to get out of this, make do without that---

With such an enemy, there are only two ways to approach them:

1. As Trump has done to cripple the nation, choke them off, then starve them out until they collapse from within and agree to surrender.
2. You go in there with many battalions of soldiers and duke it out going from door to door killing targets and taking sections of the city in a bloody war killing thousands of people.

You would just LOVE for Trump to give in to option 2 so that then you could attack him for all of the unnecessary war casualties from a war-monger too impatient to let diplomacy work.

I will always attack your blob for starting this war of choice when there was no threat to the US. You should too but you're in the cult so you can't possibly even contemplate going there.

Now for your "points"....

Well aside from the fact that you're talking about land and the Strait is a body of water and Iran has no navy to speak of, and that Israel has incredible capabilities but they pale compared to the US in numbers of troops, sophistication of hardware, numbers of military hardware, and technologies that we haven't even unwrapped....you fail to realize there are no tunnels the sea.

If the blob had the stomach to do so, we could have the strait opened in a matter of days. The costs to US Military in terms of body count would be staggering based on the types of relatively bloodless victories we have come to expect but we would prevail...to achieve something that was already in place last season. Thats a hard sell to the American public. You guys seem to be trying to say both that "we needed to go in" and at the same time "we don't need to finish the job".

I've known for quite a while that the blob doesn't have the guts to do that...the world is realizing it now as well. If I was living in Taiwan...I'd be making plans to move immediately....help from the US is not on the way.

 

[Kruska]

That's why America alone can't do it. What is even more important, even with support of whole NATO and Kurds, but with Russia and China actively against it, America won't be able to win either.

That's what I keep saying - the USA would need to get the consent from Turkey, NATO, the Kurd's, Russia and China. So before you attack a Geo-strategic significant country like Iran - professional and persistent Diplomacy is needed.

Therefore the reason why no US president acted in such a reckless and stupid manner, isn't the possibility of the Strait of Hormuz being blocked by Iran - but the immense diplomatic hurdle of getting the consent of those parties in view of the USA then controlling Iran's government and having their troops almost next to Russia there as well.

 

[longly]

Can't remember that Iran was ever a threat to the Strait of Hormuz. I wonder what might have caused it?
I tend for Israel and the USA to be the cause of this global economic disaster.

So Israel and the USA need to get OUT of this area - problem solved. And compensate my petrol bill for the time being.

Iran committed an international crime by closing the Strait of Hormuz to neutral shipping. They are a criminal regime.

 

[Zavulon]

That's what I keep saying - the USA would need to get the consent from Turkey, NATO, the Kurd's, Russia and China. So before you attack a Geo-strategic significant country like Iran - professional and persistent Diplomacy is needed.

But, given that we all understand that this mythical Iranian nuclear program was just a stupid pretext, and the real goal, in the best case, was put his hands on Iranian resources and acquire a leverage against Russia, China and Europe, this consent couldn't be given.

Therefore the reason why no US president acted in such a reckless and stupid manner, isn't the possibility of the Strait of Hormuz being blocked by Iran - but the immense diplomatic hurdle of getting the consent of those parties in view of the USA then controlling Iran's government and having their troops almost next to Russia there as well.

Yep. Trump made pretty stupid thing, and now Americans (and not only they) pay for it. Soon, they will pay much more, especially given the situation with American farmers.
And now the only question we have is will America alleviate right now and pay more or less acceptable price for it's stupidity or America will escalate and pay much more significant (one could even say "terrible") price for it?

 

[Zavulon]

Iran committed an international crime by closing the Strait of Hormuz to neutral shipping. They are a criminal regime.

They didn't close the Strait to neutral shipping. America did. As self-defending side and victim of illegal and unprovoked aggression, Iran has right to stop sea communications of their enemies.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Trump should send in the Delta Force and revive Chuck Norris to lead it.

Who can stop Chuck Norris?

 

[candycorn]

[*]You go in there with many battalions of soldiers and duke it out going from door to door killing targets and taking sections of the city in a bloody war killing thousands of people.

BTW.... did you, in your wildest dreams, think that Iran was going to give up what they see as a religious crusade when we dropped some bombs? Did you really not think it was going to devolve into a door-to-door scrum? Did you not witness what we happened when the GOP sent us into Beirut, did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Kuwait, did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Afghanistan, did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Iraq?

The same exact thing happened in each of those conflicts.

What did you think we were going to do?

 

[Hafar1014]

Iran has 3 bases that control the straight. Hit each one with a fuel air bomb then follow up with saturation bombing.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Curtis LeMay.

"just hope and pray when they drop the bomb they drop it on the viet cong"

 

[Robert W]

did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Afghanistan, did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Iraq?

Sure, General Franks used the citizens of Afghanistan to kick out the Taliban, they needed incomes and arms and Franks gave them both. It surprises me when a woman poster in effect roots for the Taliban given, they control women line few others control women.

General Franks told Bush if Bush was to run the war, Franks would immediately retire. So, Bush promised Franks that only he could run that war. Franks responded brilliantly since he conquered Iraq very fast and the public of Iraq could finally pick their own leaders.

 

[candycorn]

Sure, General Franks used the citizens of Afghanistan to kick out the Taliban, they needed incomes and arms and Franks gave them both. It surprises me when a woman poster in effect roots for the Taliban given, they control women line few others control women.

Nobody is rooting for Taliban you fukking moron. I’m pointing out the pattern; the GOP starts a war in the Middle East and we’re there for a few decades.

General Franks told Bush if Bush was to run the war, Franks would immediately retire. So, Bush promised Franks that only he could run that war. Franks responded brilliantly since he conquered Iraq very fast and the public of Iraq could finally pick their own leaders.

Iraq was a clusterfuck and remains so...it only costs us 6,000 soldier. It made the oil compaies a lot of money...that much is true.

Franks retired in 2003; the year we started our 23+ year commitment in Iraq so you’re full of shit there too.

Is there any topic under the sun that you actually know something about?