What would it take to secure the Strait?

[Robert W]

Yes, but in America

Not a chance for 18 more years.

 

[candycorn]

Obama kept them there for his 8 years so ask about why he kept them there. As to Biden, he welcomed the Taliban and gave them millions of dollars' worth of war materials and free bases. Trump had plans to remover our troops and remover our weapons.

True about Obama. You glossed right over your blob signing the surrender papers with the Taliban.... Your dishonesty is your only remarkable quality.



Completely BS about Biden. Again, your dishonesty is your only remarkable quality.

 

[candycorn]

So now your claim is Trump was going to take out our troops. And of course, you call that surrender so why the hell are you mad at Trump?

Its not my claim, its a fact.

Mad at Trump about his signing the surrender papers? Nope. He should have pulled the troops out but of course, wasn't man enough to do it on his watch. No, I was Just pointing out it was a 20+ year commitment. We're getting into the same mess in Iran.

 

[Robert W]

Its not my claim, its a fact.

Mad at Trump about his signing the surrender papers? Nope. He should have pulled the troops out but of course, wasn't man enough to do it on his watch. No, I was Just pointing out it was a 20+ year commitment. We're getting into the same mess in Iran.

Not yet we are. Are you predicting the future? Trump never surrendered. Biden did.

 

[candycorn]

Not yet we are. Are you predicting the future? Trump never surrendered. Biden did.

See, now you're just confirming you're noting but a lying sack of schit.

So yeah...when you say I'm an "expert"...this is why; I don't have to lie...you do to serve your cult.

Sad really...

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Iran has 3 bases that control the straight. Hit each one with a fuel air bomb then follow up with saturation bombing.

How come you're not in Trump's war cabinet?

 

[Robert W]

I thought so

I would strongly recommend it to you

Absolutely wrong

Are you familiar with 4star General Austin S. Miller? we both met first in Somalia in 1993 both of us were Captains at the time and serving in the respective special forces - we met again as Major's in Bosnia in 1996 and a last time in Afghanistan in June 2021.

Now that fellow is a "REAL" combat proven "dirt-pig" soldier from bottom up - we are about the same age, and him and me are agreeable to almost 100%. Unlike a Tommy Ray Franks who aside from serving in the artillery for less than year in Vietnam - is a typical politics career desk officer. Just my personal opinion.

I do not wish to disrespect you. I have not heard of General Austin S Miller. I know much more about General Tommy Franks and also a lot about another General named Fred Franks. General Tommy Franks worked for General Fred Franks earlier in
the other Gulf war where our troops did get into Iraq before being called off. Then Tommy had one star. Tommy commanded in Korea and was considered a shoe in to be the Chief of Staff in the group of generals who advise the president. When he was appointed Centcom Commander, it was for a sound reason. I will grant you are worlds ahead of me as to tactics and things such as how to correctly invade nations. I hate posters who smart off at those like you who really have the correct training and background.

 

[Kruska]

I do not wish to disrespect you. I have not heard of General Austin S Miller. I know much more about General Tommy Franks and also a lot about another General named Fred Franks. General Tommy Franks worked for General Fred Franks earlier in
the other Gulf war where our troops did get into Iraq before being called off. Then Tommy had one star. Tommy commanded in Korea and was considered a shoe in to be the Chief of Staff in the group of generals who advise the president. When he was appointed Centcom Commander, it was for a sound reason. I will grant you are worlds ahead of me as to tactics and things such as how to correctly invade nations. I hate posters who smart off at those like you who really have the correct training and background.

Since you are one of those - who solely blames Biden for the Afghan withdraw and it's disastrous results,
you should read up on Wikipedia - and compare the vitae of Gen. Austin S. Miller with Gen. Tommy Franks.

Maybe you can realize the difference between a hands on man, born out of personal combat experience with a non-political attitude - as opposed to a political-military opportunist and desk-jockey.

So when it comes to a war - who would you want to lead? However it has become very obvious since the 90'ies, that war has become more a political add on side show, and is conducted rather due to a political "mood" or "political gains" then necessity.
The present Iran-Israel/USA war/conflict stands for just that - and not a necessity.

If it would have been a necessity - the entire preparation for such a war would have run very differently.

I am aware that Gen. Tommy Franks is YOUR generation - and that in addition he is a Republican hardliner, a Bush promoter, and has a clear antidemocratic stand born out of his Vietnam and anti-communist Cold-war generation.

 

[Robert W]

I thought so

I would strongly recommend it to you

Absolutely wrong

Are you familiar with 4star General Austin S. Miller? we both met first in Somalia in 1993 both of us were Captains at the time and serving in the respective special forces - we met again as Major's in Bosnia in 1996 and a last time in Afghanistan in June 2021.

Now that fellow is a "REAL" combat proven "dirt-pig" soldier from bottom up - we are about the same age, and him and me are agreeable to almost 100%. Unlike a Tommy Ray Franks who aside from serving in the artillery for less than year in Vietnam - is a typical politics career desk officer. Just my personal opinion.

Now I know who Miller is. His service in the original combat in Afghanistan is nonexistent as I got his resume. General Franks had given credit to the many officers who worked out the first US military campaigns in Afghanistan and he and Franks more than likely had not met though they may have after Franks retired. Miller graduated from the academy at West Point whereas Franks was from OCS. Franks however was the commanding officer when his forces got rid of the Taliban and he invaded Iraq and defeated Saddam Hussein quickly. Faster than Obama took out Bin Laden. Franks had put a lot of effort into locating Bin Laden in Afghanistan and believes Osama was in Pakistan and not Afghanistan.

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[The Sage of Main Street]

The primary targets are merchant ships

IN CASE OF COWARDICE, BREAK GLASS

Ships from countries with their own navies to protect them. That being the case, we will have to charge those countries for our protection.

"Copy what Iran is doing? !!!" That's the price the Dhimmi Doormats must pay, including the Gulf Arabs making a profit out of our protection.

Told you. Nixon should have seized the Arab oilfields in justifiable and legal reaction to the Embargo of 1973.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No. When I was at Ledward Barracks, we were then HQ and HQ co, 1st Bn, 30th Infantry in the 3rd Division.
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That's a Fac', Blackjack!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Iran committed an international crime by closing the Strait of Hormuz to neutral shipping. They are a criminal regime.

Dhimmi Began with Jimmy

True, but the decadent West believes that criminals are "poor misunderstood victims reacting in the only way they can to THOSE HORRIBLE WHITE PEOPLE."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

BTW.... did you, in your wildest dreams, think that Iran was going to give up what they see as a religious crusade when we dropped some bombs? Did you really not think it was going to devolve into a door-to-door scrum? Did you not witness what we happened when the GOP sent us into Beirut, did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Kuwait, did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Afghanistan, did you not witness what happened when the GOP sent us into Iraq?

The same exact thing happened in each of those conflicts.

What did you think we were going to do?

Ultraliberal Nation-Building

Despite an insignificant group of hoplophobe protesters, Iranians are as worthless as the South Vietnamese and all the other America Last trash since them.

You also omitted the Somalis, Bosnians, and Kosovars from your trash heap.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Franks did a wonderful job. He retired shortly after he won the war. Problems later on were not his fault. It pleases me you claim not to root for the Taliban. I meant the Iranian regime, what ever that is. I am well versed in Franks since at the time I closely followed that war since I am a veteran myself. I own Franks book and De Longs book going into details of the war with Afghanistan plus the war with Saddam Hussein. You know he was hung, I hope.

I now ask you. Is there any topic in the Solar system you actually know something about? When did you read the important books I read in addition to closely following both of the wars?

Go. Glow. Blow.

The Taliban had already won the civil war against the Northern "Alliance" ganglords. Our only objective should have been wiping out Al Qaeda by nuking Tora Bora.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Its not my claim, its a fact.

Mad at Trump about his signing the surrender papers? Nope. He should have pulled the troops out but of course, wasn't man enough to do it on his watch. No, I was Just pointing out it was a 20+ year commitment. We're getting into the same mess in Iran.

Mongers' Mission Creep

 

[Zavulon]

My personal opinion is that upon TACO tearing up the JCPOA in 2017, assassinating Soleimani in 2020, and latest upon attacking Iran in 2025 - Iran intensified its pursue of nuclear weapons.

I'd rather said that Mullahs were against nukes, but smarter secular guys did understand that nukes is the only thing that could possibly deter America.

No one wants Iran's Mullahs and their IRGC to have nuclear weapons - also not Russia and China (both have their issues with radical Muslims). Therefore a consultation and agreement between the USA, NATO, Russia and China, in regards to Iran is very feasible. I dare to say even a military option against Iran can be negotiated.

If there were even a single fact about possibility of Iranian military nuclear progam, all what the USA should have to do, was to said about it Russia and China.

However TACO doesn't know how to negotiate diplomatically, and everyone knowing that he is a pathological liar - he would never get a consent on this matter. It would therefore be up to another US administration to pursue this path.

I don't think it's about his personal issues. He attacked Iran not because of Iranian military nuclear program, he did it exactly to indirectly attack Russia, China and Europe. There was simply nothing to negotiate.

IMO, he will give it a last "devastating" bombing run on Iran, and might try to take one or two of Iran's islands in the Straits. To have something to negotiate about. Which then he can sell off as a victory "like no other country has achieved before in human history" before he chickens out for good. After-all he has a lot off targets on his list, to make money and run the global economy into the ground.

Or, Iran will get nukes and attack Israeli nuclear forces. Or US ships.

Thread 'US strategy after Iran acquired nukes.'

May 25, 2026

We all know, that Iran was in "few months from making the bomb" back in 2025. We know now, that it's nuclear infrastructure wasn't "totally destroyed". We know, that Russia is more or less openly declared end of non-prolifiration treaty, and Iranians are discussing changing their mind about non-acqiring nukes, and not all of those discussions are open.

Let's play a game. New Iranian Supreme Leader take back fetwa about unacceptability of nuclear weapons, next day, there is underground nuclear test for 100 kt (all what you know about it) and then Iranian representatives say that they are...

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