What is 'Zionism'?

[Oddball]

^^^ this meme just prove that the criticism of Israel is driven by antisemitism.

Thanks for sharing, Al Sharptonberg.

 

[Lisa558]

Thanks for sharing, Al Sharptonberg.

And this poster uses a Jewish surname to make his point. Riiiight….no antisemitism here.

 

[Oddball]

And this poster uses a Jewish surname to make his point. Riiiight….no antisemitism here.

 

[OldFlame]

I detest the Likud party Zionists, and every asshole that claims criticism of them and their despotic warmonger gubmint is an "antisemite".

Those people are every bit as phucked up as Al Sharpton.

That was the premise of the thread, what exactly is a 'Zionist'? Is it only the 'war monger' Jews, is it all of the Jews, is it Jews who believe Israel has a right to exist? They seem to get conveniently all dumped into the same bucket when spewing hate by many on here. And I noticed that several of the ones that do it the most often haven't even spoken up in here, to me that is very telling.

As to your 'war monger' point, Israel has had little choice but to defend itself, why do you consider them 'war mongers' but not all of their enemies that surround them? If you buy into all of the conspiracy theories that they attacked themselves on 10/7 just to be able to start another war, that just sounds ridiculous and without reason or logic. They've been constantly attacked for 70+ years, they had no need of an excuse. The things people will believe because it involves Israel/Jews is just completely absurd.

 

[OldFlame]

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Is that what you call it, criticism? I see a lot of irrational hate and broad brushes by many of the Jew haters that post on this board and on social media in general. It's far beyond just 'criticism'.

You see exactly the opposite when it comes to muslims, they are more violent by far and attempting to expand across the globe to become majority in every country they can. Yet we're constantly told how islam is just a religion of peace and that you cannot place all muslims in the same bucket. Yet when 'Zionists' or Jews are mentioned it's a very broad brush to encompass all of them, there is very rarely any distinctions made when making a point. That's the reality of the situation, everyone is concerned about wide spread hate of muslims, but if it's Jews it's somehow okay.

 

[Lisa558]

Is that what you call it, criticism? I see a lot of irrational hate and broad brushes by many of the Jew haters that post on this board and on social media in general. It's far beyond just 'criticism'.

You see exactly the opposite when it comes to muslims, they are more violent by far and attempting to expand across the globe to become majority in every country they can. Yet we're constantly told how islam is just a religion of peace and that you cannot place all muslims in the same bucket. Yet when 'Zionists' or Jews are mentioned it's a very broad brush to encompass all of them, there is very rarely any distinctions made when making a point. That's the reality of the situation, everyone is concerned about wide spread hate of muslims, but if it's Jews it's somehow okay.

A friend of mine warned me about this more than five years ago. She noted the big influx of Muslims into our region - it’s now close to 20%, and they have Muslim prayer rooms in the shopping malls - and said that the leftists are siding with the Muslims who have been taught to despise Jews.

And this will spell trouble for Jews. How right she was.

 

[Oddball]

That was the premise of the thread, what exactly is a 'Zionist'? Is it only the 'war monger' Jews, is it all of the Jews, is it Jews who believe Israel has a right to exist? They seem to get conveniently all dumped into the same bucket when spewing hate by many on here. And I noticed that several of the ones that do it the most often haven't even spoken up in here, to me that is very telling.

As to your 'war monger' point, Israel has had little choice but to defend itself, why do you consider them 'war mongers' but not all of their enemies that surround them? If you buy into all of the conspiracy theories that they attacked themselves on 10/7 just to be able to start another war, that just sounds ridiculous and without reason or logic. They've been constantly attacked for 70+ years, they had no need of an excuse. The things people will believe because it involves Israel/Jews is just completely absurd.

And I answered in my way with my opinion.

There is a faction -the Likud party, which has been in control for some time now- that looks upon warfare as a growth industry....If anyone in Israel is heavily invested in making themselves look like "the victim", it's them...Warfare is a manipulation, no exceptions....That observation has absolutely zero to do with anyone's ethnicity.

You do realize that there are vigorous protests among the Israelis against this war that we've not been shown, right?...Not even a little curious as to why?

 

[rosends]

You do realize that there are vigorous protests among the Israelis against this war that we've not been shown, right?

not been shown? Maybe that depends on where you are looking.

 

[Lisa558]

Odd how these people who insist they’re not driven by antisemitism focus their hate on little Israel - and then defend the worst Islamic Terrorist regime in our lifetimes as “not hurting anybody.”

 

[Oddball]

Is that what you call it, criticism? I see a lot of irrational hate and broad brushes by many of the Jew haters that post on this board and on social media in general. It's far beyond just 'criticism'.

You see exactly the opposite when it comes to muslims, they are more violent by far and attempting to expand across the globe to become majority in every country they can. Yet we're constantly told how islam is just a religion of peace and that you cannot place all muslims in the same bucket. Yet when 'Zionists' or Jews are mentioned it's a very broad brush to encompass all of them, there is very rarely any distinctions made when making a point. That's the reality of the situation, everyone is concerned about wide spread hate of muslims, but if it's Jews it's somehow okay.

The Moslems are being manipulated too.

There's an antisemite behind every bush, isn't there?

 

[OldFlame]

And I answered in my way with my opinion.

There is a faction -the Likud party, which has been in control for some time now- that looks upon warfare as a growth industry....If anyone in Israel is heavily invested in making themselves look like "the victim", it's them...Warfare is a manipulation, no exceptions....That observation has absolutely zero to do with anyone's ethnicity.

You do realize that there are vigorous protests among the Israelis against this war that we've not been shown, right?...Not even a little curious as to why?

Then refer to them specifically and not just use the term 'Zionist', which is what is constantly used on here. I believe it is done intentionally, maybe not by you, but by many others.

If Israel had ever had one time in its history where they were the initial aggressor, I might see your point.

 

[OldFlame]

The Moslems are being manipulated too.

There's an antisemite behind every bush, isn't there?

When you look at 'media' as whole, message boards, social media, news, etc... that's not what I see and hear, I only see Jews being vilified. Did you forget about the protests at every major university in the US against Jews, tell me what that had to do with the Israeli government?

 

[Oddball]

Then refer to them specifically and not just use the term 'Zionist', which is what is constantly used on here. I believe it is done intentionally, maybe not by you, but by many others.

If Israel had ever had one time in its history where they were the initial aggressor, I might see your point.

How do you know that the current crop in power hasn't been manipulating the aggressions?

Spoiler

You don't

 

[Lisa558]

Then refer to them specifically and not just use the term 'Zionist', which is what is constantly used on here. I believe it is done intentionally, maybe not by you, but by many others.

If Israel had ever had one time in its history where they were the initial aggressor, I might see your point.

When they say “Zionist,” they are referring to 90% of Jews.

 

[Oddball]

Did you forget about the protests at every major university in the US against Jews, tell me what that had to do with the Israeli government?

Are the universities everyone in the nation, or a tiny slice of the population that is being programmed to hate damned near everyone and everything western?

 

[OldFlame]

How do you know that the current crop in power hasn't been manipulating the aggressions?

Spoiler

You don't

How do you know they have?

 

[OldFlame]

Are the universities everyone in the nation, or a tiny slice of the population that is being programmed to hate damned near everyone and everything western?

It's a hell of a lot of people, and the 'media' spout their narrative far and wide.

And here is exactly what I'm talking about, he makes no distinctions, nor does he believe there is one.

He's also been spewing his 'beliefs' all over the board on this topic, yet has basically avoided this one.

 

[Lisa558]

How do you know they have?

He doesn’t. But she an antisemite isn’t sure, he assigns the worst possible motive to the Jews.

 

[OldFlame]

He doesn’t. But she an antisemite isn’t sure, he assigns the worst possible motive to the Jews.

I don't think Oddball is an anti-semite, he's clearly stated his beliefs regarding the Israeli government.

 

[Oddball]

How do you know they have?

I don't know, but that's the point...To exclude the very possibility is a foolhardy deletion and presumption.

That said, warfare is a manipulation on a grand scale...So the chances that there's a massive manipulation in play here are on an extremely high order of probability.