What is 'Zionism'?

[Lisa558]

I don't think Oddball is an anti-semite, he's clearly stated his beliefs regarding the Israeli government.

No, he is. He’s made wide-sweeping smears that encompass 90% of Jews.

 

[OldFlame]

I don't know, but that's the point...To exclude the very possibility is a foolhardy deletion and presumption.

That said, warfare is a manipulation on a grand scale...So the chances that there's a massive manipulation in play here are on an extremely high order of probability.

It's also foolhardy to presume that they have, I see manipulation going on with the ones that are screaming genocide and calling 'Zionists' satan and evil, without stating any distinction.

 

[Lisa558]

It's also foolhardy to presume that they have, I see manipulation going on with the ones that are screaming genocide and calling 'Zionists' satan and evil, without stating any distinction.

And those two words - “Satan” and “evil” - are being used repeatedly in this forum, by a number of posters, to describe Jews.

It’s clear who is being manipulated. All coming from the same Talking Points.

 

[Winston]

When you look at 'media' as whole, message boards, social media, news, etc... that's not what I see and hear, I only see Jews being vilified. Did you forget about the protests at every major university in the US against Jews, tell me what that had to do with the Israeli government?

Wow, shows how much you pay attention. The campus protests, called "student intifada", was based on calling for the disinvestment from Israel of the college endowment funds. Same thing they have been calling for for decades and they are once again met with Antisemitism charges. Tell me, what is Antisemitic about calling for the disinvestment from Israel due to the actions of the Israeli government.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Wow, shows how much you pay attention. The campus protests, called "student intifada", was based on calling for the disinvestment from Israel of the college endowment funds. Same thing they have been calling for for decades and they are once again met with Antisemitism charges. Tell me, what is Antisemitic about calling for the disinvestment from Israel due to the actions of the Israeli government.

It is antisemitic because it is not based on any of the actions of Israel. A definition of bigotry is holding strong beliefs that are not based on facts, as you apparently do.

 

[Lisa558]

Wow, shows how much you pay attention. The campus protests, called "student intifada", was based on calling for the disinvestment from Israel of the college endowment funds. Same thing they have been calling for for decades and they are once again met with Antisemitism charges. Tell me, what is Antisemitic about calling for the disinvestment from Israel due to the actions of the Israeli government.

They were marching around yelling “Death to Jews!” (Which university presidents refused to condemn) and set up “No Jews” zones (which in the case of UCLA, the university helped pay for.)

Stop trying to pretend that the overt and extreme hostility toward Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Then refer to them specifically and not just use the term 'Zionist', which is what is constantly used on here. I believe it is done intentionally, maybe not by you, but by many others.

If Israel had ever had one time in its history where they were the initial aggressor, I might see your point.

The antisemites are easy to spot.

They are the ones who infuse sinister qualities to the term that refers to the self-determination of the Jewish people.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The campus protests, called "student intifada",

.....and since the term Intifada refers to Arabs hunting down Jews and killing any they can...........

 

[Winston]

It is antisemitic because it is not based on any of the actions of Israel. A definition of bigotry is holding strong beliefs that are not based on facts, as you apparently do.

Sure it was based on the actions of Israel. It is surprising that people don't understand the use of disinvestment, nor the successes those actions have had. It all started with South Africa because have no doubt, successful disinvestment campaigns here put an end to Apartheid. Funny, seems they are attempted to do the same thing with Israel.

And yes, there are successes. Norway's Two trillion dollar wealth fund, the largest in the world, recently dumped Caterpillar over Caterpillar selling to Israel.

 

[Oddball]

It's a hell of a lot of people, and the 'media' spout their narrative far and wide.

And here is exactly what I'm talking about, he makes no distinctions, nor does he believe there is one.

He's also been spewing his 'beliefs' all over the board on this topic, yet has basically avoided this one.

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I've known Frank for well over 20 years...We're practically brothers in arms....There's not an antisemitic or bigoted bone in that man's body.

So you can secure that shit below decks too.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Is that what you call it, criticism? I see a lot of irrational hate and broad brushes by many of the Jew haters that post on this board and on social media in general. It's far beyond just 'criticism'.

You see exactly the opposite when it comes to muslims, they are more violent by far and attempting to expand across the globe to become majority in every country they can. Yet we're constantly told how islam is just a religion of peace and that you cannot place all muslims in the same bucket. Yet when 'Zionists' or Jews are mentioned it's a very broad brush to encompass all of them, there is very rarely any distinctions made when making a point. That's the reality of the situation, everyone is concerned about wide spread hate of muslims, but if it's Jews it's somehow okay.

I'm still waiting for all this 'legitimate criticism' they keep wailing about. So far it's all just idiot sniveling,.

 

[OldFlame]

I've known Frank for well over 20 years...We're practically brothers in arms....There's not an antisemitic or bigoted bone in that man's body.

So you can secure that shit below decks too.

Based on what I'm hearing from him, I can't say the same, I used to have a lot of respect for him but I can't retain that now.

He keeps talking about genocide when there isn't one, he's bought into all of the anti-Jew propaganda that is spewed by many others on here. A lot of you don't even believe 10/7 happened, or that if it happened it was orchestrated by the elusive and undefined 'Zionists' and the muslims that have been attacking them for decades are totally innocent. He went from one end of the spectrum to the complete other end of it, didn't stop in the middle, just a complete 180 that is totally illogical. If you want to criticize the current Israeli government then do that, don't use a broad brush to implicate every 'Zionist' on the planet, it's insane.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I've known Frank for well over 20 years...We're practically brothers in arms....There's not an antisemitic or bigoted bone in that man's body.

So you can secure that shit below decks too.

He did not criticize any specific Israel policy in that quote. He negated the very right of Jewish people to determine their own fate.

 

[PeterPilot]

your claim, "It gets its violent supremacist core from the Rabbinical teachings found in the Talmud, a disgusting book." bespeaks a serious ignorance of the talmud. You have probably fallen prey to those websites that list supposed quotes from the talmud. You might want to consider actually studying content instead of taking haters' words for it.

And the "greater Israel" philosophy? You clearly don't know what that means.

It is from the bible, torah and talmud that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder, for the belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man.

That's a paraphrase from Thomas Paine. He was right. Nothing more perverse than old testament and talmud.

 

[PeterPilot]

Yet you have no history of any of that occurring since 1948. Israel has not had any major expansion since its inception 78 years ago.

You live in a Zionist reality. I do not.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

It is from the bible, torah and talmud that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder, for the belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man.

That's a paraphrase from Thomas Paine. He was right. Nothing more perverse than old testament and talmud.

lol Paine was one guy out of thousands. He was also ignored after the Revolution, and went to France and espoused violence and mayhem there, then came back to the US, where he was a pauper and relied on bumming from friends until he died. You deviants lie and pretend he was the Center Of The Universe because you can't find many others who gave a shit what Paine thought.

 

[OldFlame]

You live in a Zionist reality. I do not.

Yet you offer no proof, because you have none.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You live in a Zionist reality. I do not.

He lives in actual reality.

You live in a world of Jew hatred.

 

[Winston]

lol Paine was one guy out of thousands. He was also ignored after the Revolution, and went to France and espoused violence and mayhem there, then came back to the US, where he was a pauper and relied on bumming from friends until he died. You deviants lie and pretend he was the Center Of The Universe because you can't find many others who gave a shit what Paine thought.

Yeah, lots of paupers pass down a hundred acres.

 

[rosends]

It is from the bible, torah and talmud that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder, for the belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man.

That's a paraphrase from Thomas Paine. He was right. Nothing more perverse than old testament and talmud.

Your final comment indicates that you haven't studied the texts you condemn. Also, paraphrasing Paine but ignoring his use of the Bible to guide his writing and thinking is intellectually dishonest.