what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

[DonGlock26]

Belgium remained in control of a small part throughout.

That's incredible. Incredibly pathetic.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Great Plan.

Except, what most of us can see, Ukraine has a much smaller population to use as a standing Army than Russia does. What we are doing, started by Biden, is simply prolonging a War that will, after a few more years, deplete the Ukraines fighting force until almost none will be available.

A war of attrition is one Ukraine is destined to lose.

So, give us the plan that does not put US soldiers on the ground.

Why do I need to give ANY plan? I didn't start the war. And Trump is just appeasing. Rolling over and playing dead.
You don't want US soldiers on the ground?? Me neither. So keeping funding weapons sales to Ukraine and take the safeties off.
Allow the Ukrainians to hit targets inside of Russian that may have civilians around them. Bring the war home to the Russian population. That will get around the Russian state media propaganda and misinformation.

 

[HeyNorm]

Why do I need to give ANY plan? I didn't start the war. And Trump is just appeasing. Rolling over and playing dead.
You don't want US soldiers on the ground?? Me neither. So keeping funding weapons sales to Ukraine and take the safeties off.
Allow the Ukrainians to hit targets inside of Russian that may have civilians around them. Bring the war home to the Russian population. That will get around the Russian state media propaganda and misinformation.

Yes, brilliant idea! Keep sending arms to dead soldiers. Do you not know what a war of attrition is?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Yes, brilliant idea! Keep sending arms to dead soldiers. Do you not know what a war of attrition is?

Send them bigger and better arms. Overwhelm the Russians...who really aren't that well off.
Take the safeties off.

 

[yidnar]

Go and read about Ukraine's nuclear weapons. They were all but unusable, they need regular and sophisticated maintenance and up-keep and all of that expertise was in Russia not Ukraine. Parts, safety management, security of the facilities etc. all cost money.

The cost of keeping and maintaining nuclear weapons was the reason they were not kept.

 

[yidnar]

Second thread on this I've seen. Several right wing posters started one the other day. It has been a major talking point among alt right media since Friday...well, well, "what would you lefites do?".... Again, I'm not sure what confuses you. No one on the "left", needs to provide any solution. Putin started this war. Enabled by Trump's passivity. Trump wants to appease. History shows us that doesn't work. Dictators will always want more. Putin withdraws, returns all territory taken, returns all citizens, and ponies up for the damage he caused. If he refuses, the war goes on. Take the safeties off Ukraine. Allow them to go after Russian targets that might have civilians around them. Bring the war home to them.

so Trump appeasement contributed to Russias invasion on 2014 eh comrade ?

 

[yidnar]

Send them bigger and better arms. Overwhelm the Russians...who really aren't that well off.
Take the safeties off.

I have no problem with the EU doing just that ! why aren't your fellow socialists overseas doing just that ?

 

[yidnar]

No, we want Putin to go back to his own side of the border.

we'd all like that to happen .. but it ain't gonna happen without boots on the ground ..the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is ... wait for it .... 40 ! they're running out of fighters ! 60 yr old men are not allowed to leave the country because they may be needed to fight ! Ukraine can not win without hundreds of thousands of fresh troops on the ground from other countries ! NK has already joined Russia in the fight .. you can bet they did so with China's approval ..this thing could blow up into WW3 at any moment ! its best for the world if this thing is ended quickly ..

 

[yidnar]

So, Ukraine has a surplus of troops?

no they don't .. however Russia is getting aid from NK that's sent thousands of troops ! that means NK has joined the war !

 

[JoeB131]

How are you going to get him there?

Continue to arm the Ukrainians.

Continue to put the screws to Russia.

But Since Trump won't do that, he'll go down as the biggest traitor to America since Benedict Arnold.

You think that you guys gave Biden a bad rap over Kabul, wait until Kyiv falls to Putin.

 

[JoeB131]

we'd all like that to happen .. but it ain't gonna happen without boots on the ground ..the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is ... wait for it .... 40 ! they're running out of fighters ! 60 yr old men are not allowed to leave the country because they may be needed to fight ! Ukraine can not win without hundreds of thousands of fresh troops on the ground from other countries ! NK has already joined Russia in the fight .. you can bet they did so with China's approval ..this thing could blow up into WW3 at any moment ! its best for the world if this thing is ended quickly ..

Stop getting hysterical, guy.

Ukraine has 7 million men fit for military service.

What they don't have is adequate equipment and training, but they have the manpower.

(and they haven't even tapped the potential of the women!!!)

You don't avoid world wars with appeasement... you avoid them with resolution.

 

[martybegan]

Who says Russia will last that long? Russia has emptied our her prisons and the North Koreans are thinking twice about sending more cannon fodder.

All that smells of propaganda. The Norks sent a regiment.

 

[JoeB131]

All that smells of propaganda. The Norks sent a regiment.

I've heard they've sent 10,000 so far, which is closer to a division.

But the troops are of such poor quality that they aren't making much of a difference.

 

[yidnar]

That’s OK.

We have every intention of shoving your fuhrer’s duplicity and stupidity down your throats every chance we get. We have plenty of material and the fool in the White House makes more cofeve every day.

uhmm its breaking news as we speak that Zelenskyy is ready to sign the deal Trump proposed that you were are celebrating for falling through a couple of days ago ! MAGA !

Zelensky says Ukraine ready to sign minerals deal with United States

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday that he is still ready to sign a minerals deal with the United States. He made the comments to British media in London, explaining that he believed…

www.france24.com

 

[martybegan]

I've heard they've sent 10,000 so far, which is closer to a division.

But the troops are of such poor quality that they aren't making much of a difference.

it was just a propaganda move.

Right now Russia is still slowly grinding forward.

 

[forkup]

That's incredible. Incredibly pathetic.

What's pathetic... incredibly pathetic, is seeing somebody who, in order to justify appeasement, derides the will and determination it takes to resist evil.

If you want to be a coward that's your business. If you want to let Trump take your balls, go right ahead.

But at that point, you lose the right to judge people and countries of courage. As I said before history judges harshly.

 

[Mac-7]

What's pathetic... incredibly pathetic, is seeing somebody who, in order to justify appeasement, derides the will and determination it takes to resist evil.

If you want to be a coward that's your business. If you want to let Trump take your balls, go right ahead.

But at that point, you lose the right to judge people and countries of courage. As I said before history judges harshly.

Ukraine is losing the war

There is nothing that democrats, trump haters or the euros can do to change that

 

[forkup]

Ukraine is losing the war

There is nothing that democrats, trump haters or the euros can do to change that

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www.arcgis.com

This is what 3 years and hundreds of thousands of dead Russians have bought Russia.

There is no breakthrough anywhere. So I'll ask what I asked this other coward.

Why can't Ukraine do what the Afghans did to the Russians... the actual Soviet Red bear?

 

[Mac-7]

Why can't Ukraine do what the Afghans did to the Russians... the actual Soviet Red bear?

The terrain is different

Afghan is covered with rugged mountains whereas ukraine is a flat plane

 

[Zavulon]

Why do I need to give ANY plan? I didn't start the war. And Trump is just appeasing. Rolling over and playing dead.
You don't want US soldiers on the ground?? Me neither. So keeping funding weapons sales to Ukraine and take the safeties off.
Allow the Ukrainians to hit targets inside of Russian that may have civilians around them. Bring the war home to the Russian population. That will get around the Russian state media propaganda and misinformation.

The problem is, that the Russians rightfully think, that long-range weapons is operated by Americans. And they feel free to attack American targets on the undisputed American soil.