What is a Patriot?

[Billo_Really]

Nope.

No one is.

Spies are A-Okay to shoot on site.

You are so mean!

 

[Sallow]

Which President fought the Nazis?

None of them directly.

Ike fought Nazis directly. Only he wasn't President at the time.

The answer would be FDR.

He was commander in chief.

 

[USNavyVet]

Being "terrified" is not in any definition of terrorism. If you're just going to make up your own definitions then fine but that just shows that you're wrong. I know English is a hard language.

Alright, since you keep pushing the point, let's re-visit your definitions...

The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.

Definition fits. We've wiped out wedding party's, women picking up firewood and a whole lotta non-combatants. And you don't consider some Top Gun 20 year old sitting in a air-conditioned room in Nevada behind a joy-stick pulling the trigger a "clandestine agent"?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemon, Libya, all satisfy that definition.

Army, navy, air force and marines all satisfy that definition.



Drone strikes are dangerous to human life and are used in violation of Article 51 of the UN Charter. Definition satisfied.

◾Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

Why you would think this isn't applicable, is beyond me.

◾Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.

I think it's safe to conclude the country's I mentioned above, are outside the territorial jurisdiction of the US. Definition satisfied.

So basically, WTF are talking about?

BTW, I got A's in english.

It's ok if English is hard for you. Not everyone is good at it. Since you really screwed up that definition of terrorism how can anyone believe your definition of patriot, which started this whole thread? I know you're a lefty and like I said sometimes you guys can be patriots but you really need to know the definition of words. They are important.

 

[Billo_Really]

It's ok if English is hard for you. Not everyone is good at it. Since you really screwed up that definition of terrorism how can anyone believe your definition of patriot, which started this whole thread? I know you're a lefty and like I said sometimes you guys can be patriots but you really need to know the definition of words. They are important.

What was screwed up about it?

Are you one of those fuckers who think just because we do it, it's okay?

 

[Intense]

Patriot. You hear this word spoken all the time in American politics. Yet there seems to be so many definitions attributed to it. On one hand, you have Conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians defining a patriot who extols the will of our Constitution. Or a soldier on the battlefield defending our freedom. On the other, you have Liberals/Democrats/Progressives defining patriotism as helping the poor, educating our children and offering change to the country that would better suit the collective. An activist standing up for the rights of others. You hear the word bandied about and abused as a weapon or a tool for the disparagement of others in the political arena. But does anyone know what a real patriot is?

I was taught that patriotism was something resulting in love of country over self. I still believe that. I love my country, even in the sordid state of affairs it's in right now. But there are so many ways people define a Patriot. Many people when they hear the term, conjure up images of George Washington crossing the Delaware River or the First Continental Congress signing the Declaration of Independence. But nobody knows what a real patriot is, neither side has it right. To be a patriot is to be devoted to your country and her citizens, through thick and thin, to love her and cherish her like the finest cut diamond.

Patriotism isn't something which can be linked to political viewpoints. It is blasphemous to suggest such. If one questions anothers patriotism, is it for disagreement in politics? If it is, the one is a fool, for he knows not the true meaning of patriotism. If one questions anothers patriotism, is it for gauging their love of country? If it is, then the one is enlightened, knowing full well the meaning of what it takes to be a patriot.

My question to you:

Do you know what makes a patriot?

A patriot is someone who does things out of a sake of duty to his country, not for personal profit or gain. A patriot is someone who's willing to say things many people don't want to hear, because he knows it is the right thing to do for his country. A patriot is someone who stays true to the principles his country was founded upon.

We were not founded upon the principles of "enhanced interrogation", indefinate detention and military aggression. We were founded upon the principles of a man is innocent until proven guilty, the right to voice our dissent with government and everyone shall be given due process of law. We are a country based on the rule of law. Demonstrating respect for the law, is being patriotic. Supporting armed aggression against country's in violation of that law, is not being patriotic. Supporting a persons right to disagree with you, is being patriotic. Shouting down someone else's opinion because you don't like to hear it, is not being patriotic.

This might sound corny, but truth and justice, is the American way.

You might have left out the US being founded on..... Eminent Domain for profit, Censorship, Arbitrary enforcement of the Law, drone attacks, secret surveillance, collection and sharing of personal information, and maybe direct access to our checking and savings accounts. I hope that helps, anything I can do to rain on the fire of totalitarianism, I will do.

The attack on Property Rights, be the victim, rich or poor, is an attack on the peace.

 

[rightwinger]

Anyone who declares themself to be a patriot.....probably isn't

 

[JakeStarkey]

I don't see how using drones falls into any of the normal definitions of terrorism.

How would you like to be a member of a population where those things are constantly flying overhead? Knowing at anytime, this could be your last moment on earth? Doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing, at any moment, you could be hit with a missle. In your bed, going to the store, at a friends wedding, picking up firewood and BAM!, they can't even tell if its your flesh or street debris.

How would you like to live 24/7 under that? How would you like to have a foreign force, flying over your country? Taking pot shots at your neighbors.

The use of drones meets no conventional definition of terrorism.

It is a technological advancement that we would have happily used in WWII and since then.

Any argument to the contrary can't hold water.

 

[Billo_Really]

The use of drones meets no conventional definition of terrorism.

It is a technological advancement that we would have happily used in WWII and since then.

Any argument to the contrary can't hold water.

I've already proved it does with the definitions provided.

You may not like it being associated with terrorism, but it terrifies a population and psychologically impares them.

When Alberto Gonzales tried to re-define what constituted torture, that didn't change the fact that it was still torture.

 

[Billo_Really]

You might have left out the US being founded on..... Eminent Domain for profit, Censorship, Arbitrary enforcement of the Law, drone attacks, secret surveillance, collection and sharing of personal information, and maybe direct access to our checking and savings accounts. I hope that helps, anything I can do to rain on the fire of totalitarianism, I will do.

The attack on Property Rights, be the victim, rich or poor, is an attack on the peace.

The government is collecting so much meta-data, that they can't use it. It's just going to sit in some electronic file somewhere and used whenever they have a person of interest. They just pull up all the shit they have on the guy and he's fucked!

 

[Sallow]

You might have left out the US being founded on..... Eminent Domain for profit, Censorship, Arbitrary enforcement of the Law, drone attacks, secret surveillance, collection and sharing of personal information, and maybe direct access to our checking and savings accounts. I hope that helps, anything I can do to rain on the fire of totalitarianism, I will do.

The attack on Property Rights, be the victim, rich or poor, is an attack on the peace.

The government is collecting so much meta-data, that they can't use it. It's just going to sit in some electronic file somewhere and used whenever they have a person of interest. They just pull up all the shit they have on the guy and he's fucked!

Basically?

Yep.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Patriot. You hear this word spoken all the time in American politics. Yet there seems to be so many definitions attributed to it. On one hand, you have Conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians defining a patriot who extols the will of our Constitution. Or a soldier on the battlefield defending our freedom. On the other, you have Liberals/Democrats/Progressives defining patriotism as helping the poor, educating our children and offering change to the country that would better suit the collective. An activist standing up for the rights of others. You hear the word bandied about and abused as a weapon or a tool for the disparagement of others in the political arena. But does anyone know what a real patriot is?

I was taught that patriotism was something resulting in love of country over self. I still believe that. I love my country, even in the sordid state of affairs it's in right now. But there are so many ways people define a Patriot. Many people when they hear the term, conjure up images of George Washington crossing the Delaware River or the First Continental Congress signing the Declaration of Independence. But nobody knows what a real patriot is, neither side has it right. To be a patriot is to be devoted to your country and her citizens, through thick and thin, to love her and cherish her like the finest cut diamond.

Patriotism isn't something which can be linked to political viewpoints. It is blasphemous to suggest such. If one questions anothers patriotism, is it for disagreement in politics? If it is, the one is a fool, for he knows not the true meaning of patriotism. If one questions anothers patriotism, is it for gauging their love of country? If it is, then the one is enlightened, knowing full well the meaning of what it takes to be a patriot.

My question to you:

Do you know what makes a patriot?

You ought to submit that for publication. Here is the address:

Mrs. Magilicuty's Fourth Grade Essay Contest
Our Lady of Stupid Elementary
Dumbfuck, GA. 00000

 

[JoeB131]

My question to you:

Do you know what makes a patriot?

Um, errr, a patriot is someone who thinks he needs to arm himself like the Zombie Apocolypse is coming because the Gummit might offer him health coverage for his mental health issues...

 

[JakeStarkey]

The use of drones meets no conventional definition of terrorism.

It is a technological advancement that we would have happily used in WWII and since then.

Any argument to the contrary can't hold water.

I've already proved it does with the definitions provided.

You may not like it being associated with terrorism, but it terrifies a population and psychologically impares them.

When Alberto Gonzales tried to re-define what constituted torture, that didn't change the fact that it was still torture.

Your opinion, Billo, is an . . . opinion not proof.

You may not life the fact that opinions are not proof . . . but there you are.

 

[Contumacious]

Patriot. You hear this word spoken all the time in American politics. Yet there seems to be so many definitions attributed to it. On one hand, you have Conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians defining a patriot who extols the will of our Constitution?

The Changing Definition of the Word "Patriot"



Don’t you love how the definition of the word “Patriot” has changed?

Patriots of the old days were the ones that wanted to throw off the chains of the oppressive British government. They were the radicals, the minority, the risk takers.


Today, a “Patriot” is one who salutes the flag, obeys the government, pays their taxes, hates muslims, hates “terrorists”, supports the troops no matter what kind of murderous genocide they commit, votes Republican (or Democrat, depending on the crowd), snitches on their neighbor for breaking the law, no matter how ridiculous or victim-less, etc, etc.

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[USNavyVet]

The use of drones meets no conventional definition of terrorism.

It is a technological advancement that we would have happily used in WWII and since then.

Any argument to the contrary can't hold water.

I've already proved it does with the definitions provided.

You may not like it being associated with terrorism, but it terrifies a population and psychologically impares them.

When Alberto Gonzales tried to re-define what constituted torture, that didn't change the fact that it was still torture.

No you really didn't. Like I told you, being terrified of something doesn't make it terrorism. Words have meanings. Learn them.

 

[Billo_Really]

No you really didn't. Like I told you, being terrified of something doesn't make it terrorism. Words have meanings. Learn them.

Person A is killed because someone flew a jumbo jet into their building. Person B is killed because someone launched a missle into their building from a drone. All party's responsible, were not citizens of the country where these events occured. Person A and B had no affiliation to the party's responsible. Person A and B are both dead.

Why is it, you only consider Person A a victim of terrorism?

 

[Billo_Really]

Your opinion, Billo, is an . . . opinion not proof.

You may not life the fact that opinions are not proof . . . but there you are.

I've stated my reasons with the definitions provided. Until someone addresses those points and refutes them, what I've said is a little more than just opinion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your opinion, Billo, is an . . . opinion not proof.

You may not life the fact that opinions are not proof . . . but there you are.

I've stated my reasons with the definitions provided. Until someone addresses those points and refutes them, what I've said is a little more than just opinion.

So what? You can't redefine matters to your own satisfaction using your own opinion based proofs. Doesn't work that way.

What you have said is just your opinion. No one cares.

 

[Contumacious]

My question to you:

Do you know what makes a patriot?

Um, errr, a patriot is someone who thinks he needs to arm himself like the Zombie Apocolypse is coming because the Gummit might offer him health coverage for his mental health issues...

Um, errr, a patriot is someone who thinks he needs to crawl on the floor like a common roach , and respond to government bureaucratic commands with a yassa massa , and who believes he is special because the Gummit might offer him health coverage for his mental health issues..

.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Contumacious demonstrates a complete turning of his back on America and its narrative.