What is a Patriot?

[Billo_Really]

I don't agree. Your stance on one issue that is controversial proves nothing. Now if you supported/opposed the Mai Lai massacres that would have meaning. Not a controversy there.

I opposed that too.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Those who think more about what they can do for their country, as opposed to the reverse.

So that eliminates anyone in Congress automatically....

 

[Billo_Really]

So you want to repeal the AUMF and introduce a clause to the war powers act that states a President may not order strikes against a country which has not attacked us, and respect borders even if they are hiding terrorists?

That's pretty bold.

We hide terrorists to!

Jose Luis Posada is someone we're protecting and he put a bomb on a plane that killed 73 cubans.

BTW, what was the subject taught at the School of the America's?

 

[aaronleland]

I hate using the word patriot, because it ultimately leads to questioning who is or isn't one. I think most people want what is best for the country, no matter what their political beliefs are. This is one of the biggest reasons behind the divisiveness in politics. It isn't enough to just disagree with an opponent. You have to hate everything your opponent stands for, and accuse them of hating America.

The debate on universal healthcare is a good example. It's not that both sides want what is best. It's "greedy Republicans want to let people die" or "Democrats are trying to bankrupt America." It's all partisan bullshit, and counterproductive to uniting Americans.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Sarah Palin is a nationalist. Maybe not even that..since she flirted with the Alaska Secessionist Movement.

So you don't think nationalists can be patriots? I think being a nationalist makes it easier to be a patriot because you automatically want what's best for your country and put it above you.

While I think liberals, the left, or whatever you want to call them can certainly be patriotic, I think their constant attacks on the military and veterans negates their patriotism. To me there are many patriots but our military is filled with them and to attack those individuals the way the Democrats/left/liberals do, in my opinion, ensures that the attacker is not a patriot.

In your opinion, not as a matter of fact.

What you’ll find is certain individuals attacking political military policy, not persons actually in the military, where those in the military are as much victims of failed illegal military policy as those subject to US military intervention.

And a patriot is someone who has the courage and love of his country to speak up when he believes his country is wrong, just as he would when he believes his country is right, making liberals indeed patriotic.

 

[Sallow]

The AUMF is not Bush's baby?

That is. Using drones isn't.

Bush used drones too.

And killed many more kids.

Like thousands of them, in Iraq.

 

[aaronleland]

The AUMF is not Bush's baby?

That is. Using drones isn't.

Bush used drones too.

And killed many more kids.

Like thousands of them, in Iraq.

The thousands of deaths Bush may have been responsible for doesn't excuse a single death Obama is responsible for. As long as he continues the same policies as Bush he is just as guilty.

 

[Billo_Really]

Bush used drones too.

And killed many more kids.

Like thousands of them, in Iraq.

Obama has taken it to a whole other level.

On this issue, he's much worse than Bush.

 

[boilermaker55]

Well said about the distorted view of patriotism from the far right. Their motto..."what is in it for me and who and how can I exploit helpless defenseless people."

A patriot is business man.

The business man wants cheaper labor so he can produce higher returns for his investors. (This is called "getting incentives right").

The businessman gets those higher returns when his products are made in dictator-lead freedom-hating nations by workers who make $5/day.

So the business man funds elections (and he lobbies Washington) so that he can create the legislative machinery to globalize production (so he can benefit from cheaper labor costs. He does this even though it leads to the dispossession of American workers, who can't survive on the labor rates he gets in places like Taiwan. So it's not like the businessman just needs tax incentives to bring jobs back - rather, he needs an exploited working class that just makes $5/day).

UNFORTUNATELY the businessman has a problem. He needs to get the American workers whom he dispossessed to vote for the politicians who will take care of investors/owners (by shipping jobs to places like China). So he funds a propaganda system which employs people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin to use the Culture War (religion, patriotism, terrorism, the gay agenda, atheists, "Real Americans!") to get average Americans to vote for the "right people".

Patriotism is used by the Right to get American citizens to vote for their own dispossession. It is funded by the same people who profit by shipping their jobs to Communist China.

The OP is one of the ones being manipulated.

 

[Billo_Really]

The thousands of deaths Bush may have been responsible for doesn't excuse a single death Obama is responsible for. As long as he continues the same policies as Bush he is just as guilty.

The red flag for me was when he kept the same Sec of Defense.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The mistake of the lefties and righties who detest the drones is one of philosophy instead of recognizing that it is a technological tool all presidents would have used if they could. Imagine what the Allies could have done with extensive use of drone and helicopter in WWII.

 

[Yurt]

a patriot doesn't pretend to belong to a political party when their beliefs are 80% or more of the other party.

 

[Yurt]

The mistake of the lefties and righties who detest the drones is one of philosophy instead of recognizing that it is a technological tool all presidents would have used if they could. Imagine what the Allies could have done with extensive use of drone and helicopter in WWII.

this is a ridiculous post. the issue with drones is using them on american citizens. no one, left or right, has an issue with drones used against foreign enemies.

stay in touch gramps....

 

[Billo_Really]

a patriot doesn't pretend to belong to a political party when their beliefs are 80% or more of the other party.

Unless your country was founded upon the principle of hypocrisy?

 

[Billo_Really]

The mistake of the lefties and righties who detest the drones is one of philosophy instead of recognizing that it is a technological tool all presidents would have used if they could. Imagine what the Allies could have done with extensive use of drone and helicopter in WWII.

The use of drones is terrorism.

 

[Billo_Really]

this is a ridiculous post. the issue with drones is using them on american citizens. no one, left or right, has an issue with drones used against foreign enemies.

stay in touch gramps....

I'm against using them in foreign country's.


It's American terrorism.

 

[Yurt]

a patriot doesn't pretend to belong to a political party when their beliefs are 80% or more of the other party.

Unless your country was founded upon the principle of hypocrisy?

huh?

 

[kiwiman127]

A Patriot puts his/her country over their ideology every single time.
I guess that eliminates politicians and most ideologues in today's world as verified by the many goose-stepping ideological posters on USMB.

 

[Yurt]

this is a ridiculous post. the issue with drones is using them on american citizens. no one, left or right, has an issue with drones used against foreign enemies.

stay in touch gramps....

I'm against using them in foreign country's.


It's American terrorism.

bullshit. wait...is the use of any weapon terrorism in your mind?

 

[PrometheusBound]

I think attacking the military is unpatriotic. Not supporting the military as they perform their duties is unpatriotic. I didn't think this would be hard to understand.

You say you support the military and are a navy vet. Let's put that to the test.

What is your position on the USS Liberty?

It was a spy ship feeding information to the Arabs in order to prevent Israel from winning too much. Why did Eisenhower earlier let the desert savages take the Suez Canal, which never would have been built except for European intellectual superiority? The West has always been playing Half and Half in the Middle East, half for people just like us and half for our natural enemies.