Debate Now What does MAGA mean ? Specifically ?

[task0778]

comment #658 explains it pretty good,,

I think #658 provides one person's opinion and that is fine but that is all it is. Maybe things weren't so great in the past, but maybe it was better than it is now. What difference does it make if things were or were not so great? I'd like to think we can do better.

 

[BULLDOG]

Interesting video. His remark about keep reading made lots of sense, but he failed to point out what you should keep reading. Reading batshit crazy conspiracy theories is what got us in the trouble we are in.

 

[progressive hunter]

I think #658 provides one person's opinion and that is fine but that is all it is. Maybe things weren't so great in the past, but maybe it was better than it is now. What difference does it make if things were or were not so great? I'd like to think we can do better.

it would help if you bothered to watch it,,

he addresses both your points and expands on them,,

 

[task0778]

it would help if you bothered to watch it,,

he addresses both your points and expands on them,,

Still just his opinion, isn't it? And I did watch it. Is it necessary to make this personal?

 

[progressive hunter]

Still just his opinion, isn't it? And I did watch it. Is it necessary to make this personal?

that agrees with yours and expands on it,,

so should I consider your opinion just like you consider his and ignore it???

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Most agree with me that Ayn Rand is the pablum for the misbegotten far right and libertarians.

her books are truthful about human nature and civilization, if you don't like the truth, you won't like her

Her books have sold millions and been read by millions of people. I agree that she is a hard read but the message in her books is valid if you are smart enough to understand it-------------I guess that eliminates you.

no more minor than Obama or Clinton. She wrote about society as it was and is. Obozo and cliton just took advantage of the mass's ignorance.

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On the Ayn Rand Institute's website, for instance, there's an FAQ which suggests just how much cherrypicking of her ideas has to be done to claim her as a modern conservative hero.​

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She supported abortion, was hostile to how political conservatives combined forces with organized religion and held views that were indistinguishable from those of an atheist.​

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If you think Ayn Rand is rightly truthful Saint Redfish about human nature and civilization why should civilization have governments that ban access to safe and legal abortion?

 

[task0778]

that agrees with yours and expands on it,,

so should I consider your opinion just like you consider his and ignore it???

Sure, go ahead.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I call MAGA a sales pitch. Just like I call Build-Back-Better a sales pitch.

If MAGA means Make American Great Again, it means we were once great.

Can somewhat tell me when that was, what made us "great" and when you'll know we've gotten back to that point ?

I contend that people (because I've been cornering them on this topic) don't know what they mean when they say MAGA.

Nobody I've talked to can give me specifics.

One person I talked to said:

Well, in 1960, we didn't have the illegal problem we have now. So I asked what the problem is now (in terms of numbers). Didn't have it. How about 1960...didn't have it. I decided to forego the easy follow up question and move on.

So I am going to say, I think America is great now. We have A LOT of issues, for sure. But I still love living here and am grateful for my freedoms and liberties.

I see MAGA as a sales pitch and an implication that we've lost something (but nobody can tell me what). And I am not so sure American was any greater then than it is today.

Let me know what you think.

Rule #1: Provide specifics.

Rule #2: If you want to argue generalities, you have to be very clear on what they are and the basis for them.

Rule #3: No commentary on the "other side"

They're all just marketing slogans, commonly known as the principle of differentiation. With Trump having a business background, he's brand orientated. MAGA is his brand to differentiate his political stage from the others.

Then Rhyme-as-Reason Effect makes your slogan more believable and accurate to others if you can make it rhyme.

 

[progressive hunter]

They're all just marketing slogans, commonly known as the principle of differentiation. With Trump having a business background, he's brand orientated. MAGA is his brand to differentiate his political stage from the others.

Then Rhyme-as-Reason Effect makes your slogan more believable and accurate to others if you can make it rhyme.

what about "build back better" as bidens slogan??

or obamas "change we can believe in"???

 

[Redfish]

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On the Ayn Rand Institute's website, for instance, there's an FAQ which suggests just how much cherrypicking of her ideas has to be done to claim her as a modern conservative hero.​

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She supported abortion, was hostile to how political conservatives combined forces with organized religion and held views that were indistinguishable from those of an atheist.​

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If you think Ayn Rand is rightly truthful Saint Redfish about human nature and civilization why should civilization have governments that ban access to safe and legal abortion?

whether abortion is legal should (as the supreme court ruled) be up to the voters of each state, not a dictate by the federal government. if you think otherwise please post the language in the constitution where abortion is listed as an individual right.

 

[Redfish]

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On the Ayn Rand Institute's website, for instance, there's an FAQ which suggests just how much cherrypicking of her ideas has to be done to claim her as a modern conservative hero.​

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She supported abortion, was hostile to how political conservatives combined forces with organized religion and held views that were indistinguishable from those of an atheist.​

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If you think Ayn Rand is rightly truthful Saint Redfish about human nature and civilization why should civilization have governments that ban access to safe and legal abortion?

Atlas Shrugged is about what happens when leftist policies control a country, it was accurate, rand and orwell saw what was coming and wrote about it.

 

[Captain Caveman]

what about "build back better" as bidens slogan??

or obamas "change we can believe in"???

Those are just marketing slogans.

Countries use them - Land of the Free as an example

Political parties use them - Build Back Better as an example

Companies use them - We Empower The World (Microsoft) as an example

And everyone is welcome to believe or not to believe them. I'm not a one to suckered into these scams.

 

[progressive hunter]

Those are just marketing slogans.

Countries use them - Land of the Free as an example

Political parties use them - Build Back Better as an example

Companies use them - We Empower The World (Microsoft) as an example

And everyone is welcome to believe or not to believe them. I'm not a one to suckered into these scams.

so MAGA is just more of the same,,

 

[Captain Caveman]

so MAGA is just more of the same,,

Yes