What can republicans do for blacks?

[Correll]

I think a lot of minorities see the government as something that gives them special priveliges such as preferred hiring in both government and private sector. If The question is what republicans can do for blacks the answer should be nothing more than anyone else in this country.

Is asking for an equal education asking for special privileges? Should all American children receive an equal educational opportunity or should the children of the elite receive a better education?

It is interesting that you ignored the TWO EXAMPLES he provided in his post in order to suggest one of your own.

Are you agreeing that those TWO EXAMPLES are special privileges?

BUT you want Superdemocrat on board with your pet project of "equal education"?

Because the other scenario is that you ignored his TWO EXAMPLES in order to run with a Strawman attack instead.

Which would be quite the dick move.

So...?

 

[Correll]

Suppose we all worked for the means that required all American children receive an equal education?

Not all American children need an "equal" education.

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

 

[regent]

Suppose we all worked for the means that required all American children receive an equal education?

Not all American children need an "equal" education.

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

 

[Correll]

Suppose we all worked for the means that required all American children receive an equal education?

Not all American children need an "equal" education.

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

Nope. It was obviously a response to Ray's post on blacks getting the same education as anyone else.

I tried to communicate that by making it a reply to Ray's post on blacks getting the same education as anyone else.

Do you want to address the well documented effects of single parent families that Ray raised?

 

[Conservative65]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

Apparently Democrats haven't done nothing for the 95% voting bloc. Black unemployment and poverty is significantly higher than other groups.

 

[Conservative65]

Suppose we all worked for the means that required all American children receive an equal education?

Not all American children need an "equal" education.

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

What that statement about having the same items proves that the opportunity for blacks is no different than that of any other groups.

 

[ninja007]

libs want illegals here- pubs do not. This should get many blacks to vote for the conservatives.

 

[Conservative65]

So you do believe using race is wrong to deny but OK to use race to benefit? With AA, hiring a black now due to color of skin is nothing more than systematic racism.

Affirmative action involves more than just race--you do know that, right?

So if AA was used to hire a woman, it is racism?
How about a white man in a Wheelchair--racism?
How about a muslim--racism?

AA is used in these cases--Do you still call it racism when this occur, or do you give it a new name, like "Reverse racism"?

The problem is is that racism was so prominent at that time frame that many people did not know that employers were discriminating against other groups of people as well. You seem to fall into that category, you did not recognize the handicapped white guy who gained employment, but the black guy getting the job stuck out like a sore thumb.

Black people are easily to notice though, I have to admit that.

The 70s were a long time ago. Most of the people doing the hiring then, are probably retired if not dead by now.

Today? It's been reversed.

The white guy getting screwed today, probably wasn't even in the workforce back in the 70s, hell, he probably wasn't even alive.

So you want a meritocracy--hire based on merit/skills only. OK, but how do you safeguard the meritocracy? Remember, we weren't practicing a meritocracy beforehand, that is how AA came about. People were ruled out based on appearence, not skill.

By the way, I am for a meritocracy except in the cases of small family businesses.

Interesting. YOu just put words in my mouth. Why did you do that?

I want to remove the government demands and threats that motivate anti-white discrimination today.

That's my policy. You seem to already be reaching for another government bureaucracy based on the words you put in my mouth.


We can't afford it.

Sorry, I assumed the White guy getting screwed was more skilled than the AA employee. Hence, I thought you wanted a meritocracy, so that the more skilled worker is more assured of employment than the less skilled.

If you meant something else, please tell me.

In many cases, that is what happens. Those who yell about using race to deny being wrong don't mind when race is used to benefit them.

I don't have a problem with anyone getting something over me in a competitive situation because they offer the best skills. However, last time I looked, being a minority race isn't a skill. Or at least it didn't used to be one until AA made it that way.

 

[Conservative65]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Affirmative Action came about because of what again? Systematic Discrimination in the workplace during the 60's and 70's.

Why is it still here should be the focus. Instead, you want to rewrite the reason.

By the way, have you compared the argument as to why Corporations want to hire Foreigners over Americans? If you study it carefully, it i the same excuse as to why Corporations did not want to hire minorities and women.

Excuse 1)Can't find one that is skilled
Excuse 2)They do not want to do the job.

American Corporations are beginning to discriminating against all Americans now, and you think Affirmative Action is just a "Race" issue. Seeing the trend, it will need to include all Americans instead.

So you do believe using race is wrong to deny but OK to use race to benefit? With AA, hiring a black now due to color of skin is nothing more than systematic racism.

Affirmative action involves more than just race--you do know that, right?

So if AA was used to hire a woman, it is racism?
How about a white man in a Wheelchair--racism?
How about a muslim--racism?

AA is used in these cases--Do you still call it racism when this occur, or do you give it a new name, like "Reverse racism"?

The problem is is that racism was so prominent at that time frame that many people did not know that employers were discriminating against other groups of people as well. You seem to fall into that category, you did not recognize the handicapped white guy who gained employment, but the black guy getting the job stuck out like a sore thumb.

Black people are easily to notice though, I have to admit that.

The 70s were a long time ago. Most of the people doing the hiring then, are probably retired if not dead by now.

Today? It's been reversed.

The white guy getting screwed today, probably wasn't even in the workforce back in the 70s, hell, he probably wasn't even alive.

So you want a meritocracy--hire based on merit/skills only. OK, but how do you safeguard the meritocracy? Remember, we weren't practicing a meritocracy beforehand, that is how AA came about. People were ruled out based on appearence, not skill.

By the way, I am for a meritocracy except in the cases of small family businesses.

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

 

[Conservative65]

Just another CON$ervative telling Blacks they are too stupid to know what's good for them.
Gee, I can't imagine why that doesn't win over the Black community to the GOP!

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Affirmative Action came about because of what again? Systematic Discrimination in the workplace during the 60's and 70's.

Why is it still here should be the focus. Instead, you want to rewrite the reason.

By the way, have you compared the argument as to why Corporations want to hire Foreigners over Americans? If you study it carefully, it i the same excuse as to why Corporations did not want to hire minorities and women.

Excuse 1)Can't find one that is skilled
Excuse 2)They do not want to do the job.

American Corporations are beginning to discriminating against all Americans now, and you think Affirmative Action is just a "Race" issue. Seeing the trend, it will need to include all Americans instead.

Companies hire foreigners because they can't find Americans to do the job. Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and SNAP's card. They want too much money to work anyhow. So hire foreigners that will work for nothing and let Americans sit home.

They can't find Americans with skills? Or are foreigners a cheaper source of labor? What you are saying is the second option.

Think about it, instead of drawing from a pool derived from 300 million, the corporations go to a nation of barely 10 to 15 million for cheaper labor.

But can anyone blame them if they are competing with foreign companies set up in nations with lower standards of living?

I guess it is obvious I am not for free trade, H1B(HB1?) visas and don't favor amnesty for illegals too much.

Well I was speaking domestically.

Employers can't find American workers today. I see it in my field of work constantly. They have little choice but to hire foreigners.

The problem in many cases is they those American workers don't want to work because they know they can get plenty of handouts if they don't. Those that can work but won't would be offered those jobs and if they say no, cut the handouts. The consequences of saying no to wanting to work has to be more severe than the benefits of not working.

 

[regent]

Not all American children need an "equal" education.

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

What that statement about having the same items proves that the opportunity for blacks is no different than that of any other groups.

Read, there are so many books by people that have seen both from a teacher's view and as an administrator's. Try Kozol's book first about the "Savage Inequalities" and so many other books. Might even try a book on the "Teach For America" program.

 

[Conservative65]

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

What that statement about having the same items proves that the opportunity for blacks is no different than that of any other groups.

Read, there are so many books by people that have seen both from a teacher's view and as an administrator's. Try Kozol's book first about the "Savage Inequalities" and so many other books. Might even try a book on the "Teach For America" program.

If all students in a class have the same books, same teachers, get the same lessons, etc., how are they not getting the same opportunity in the classroom?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Affirmative Action came about because of what again? Systematic Discrimination in the workplace during the 60's and 70's.

Why is it still here should be the focus. Instead, you want to rewrite the reason.

By the way, have you compared the argument as to why Corporations want to hire Foreigners over Americans? If you study it carefully, it i the same excuse as to why Corporations did not want to hire minorities and women.

Excuse 1)Can't find one that is skilled
Excuse 2)They do not want to do the job.

American Corporations are beginning to discriminating against all Americans now, and you think Affirmative Action is just a "Race" issue. Seeing the trend, it will need to include all Americans instead.

Companies hire foreigners because they can't find Americans to do the job. Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and SNAP's card. They want too much money to work anyhow. So hire foreigners that will work for nothing and let Americans sit home.

They can't find Americans with skills? Or are foreigners a cheaper source of labor? What you are saying is the second option.

Think about it, instead of drawing from a pool derived from 300 million, the corporations go to a nation of barely 10 to 15 million for cheaper labor.

But can anyone blame them if they are competing with foreign companies set up in nations with lower standards of living?

I guess it is obvious I am not for free trade, H1B(HB1?) visas and don't favor amnesty for illegals too much.

Well I was speaking domestically.

Employers can't find American workers today. I see it in my field of work constantly. They have little choice but to hire foreigners.

The problem in many cases is they those American workers don't want to work because they know they can get plenty of handouts if they don't. Those that can work but won't would be offered those jobs and if they say no, cut the handouts. The consequences of saying no to wanting to work has to be more severe than the benefits of not working.

Agreed. Those who apply for assistance should be sent directly to these jobs and at least apply.

Not wanting to work is one thing, but the other is the use of drugs. In the middle of the recession, my employer put out an ad to find another driver. We had plenty of applicants, but none that could pass a drug test. Drug testing is a federal requirement of employers in this line of work.

It's the same with construction. My father retired 20 years ago as a bricklayer. His union sent out news letters to their retirees to find younger people that may be interested in a career in bricklaying. Granted, very hard work, but my father did very well for himself and our family. It pays good money and you're off all winter. Same problem though. Couldn't find any young people that could pass a drug test.

The way I see it, it's a two-fold problem: one are the people living on the dole that don't want to work, and the other are those who will work but won't quit smoking pot to get a good job.

 

[Conservative65]

Affirmative Action came about because of what again? Systematic Discrimination in the workplace during the 60's and 70's.

Why is it still here should be the focus. Instead, you want to rewrite the reason.

By the way, have you compared the argument as to why Corporations want to hire Foreigners over Americans? If you study it carefully, it i the same excuse as to why Corporations did not want to hire minorities and women.

Excuse 1)Can't find one that is skilled
Excuse 2)They do not want to do the job.

American Corporations are beginning to discriminating against all Americans now, and you think Affirmative Action is just a "Race" issue. Seeing the trend, it will need to include all Americans instead.

Companies hire foreigners because they can't find Americans to do the job. Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and SNAP's card. They want too much money to work anyhow. So hire foreigners that will work for nothing and let Americans sit home.

They can't find Americans with skills? Or are foreigners a cheaper source of labor? What you are saying is the second option.

Think about it, instead of drawing from a pool derived from 300 million, the corporations go to a nation of barely 10 to 15 million for cheaper labor.

But can anyone blame them if they are competing with foreign companies set up in nations with lower standards of living?

I guess it is obvious I am not for free trade, H1B(HB1?) visas and don't favor amnesty for illegals too much.

Well I was speaking domestically.

Employers can't find American workers today. I see it in my field of work constantly. They have little choice but to hire foreigners.

The problem in many cases is they those American workers don't want to work because they know they can get plenty of handouts if they don't. Those that can work but won't would be offered those jobs and if they say no, cut the handouts. The consequences of saying no to wanting to work has to be more severe than the benefits of not working.

Agreed. Those who apply for assistance should be sent directly to these jobs and at least apply.

Not wanting to work is one thing, but the other is the use of drugs. In the middle of the recession, my employer put out an ad to find another driver. We had plenty of applicants, but none that could pass a drug test. Drug testing is a federal requirement of employers in this line of work.

It's the same with construction. My father retired 20 years ago as a bricklayer. His union sent out news letters to their retirees to find younger people that may be interested in a career in bricklaying. Granted, very hard work, but my father did very well for himself and our family. It pays good money and you're off all winter. Same problem though. Couldn't find any young people that could pass a drug test.

The way I see it, it's a two-fold problem: one are the people living on the dole that don't want to work, and the other are those who will work but won't quit smoking pot to get a good job.

If they can't get a job because they fail a drug test, they should not get handouts because they can't get a job.

 

[Boss]

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

WHY is it a national problem? Ask yourself.... Who has been in charge of our education system from top to bottom since 1965? It is not the Republican party. It is not Conservatives. It is Liberals and Democrats, all promising you that they are going to make things great. Now, we have "national problem" and you think we need to come together and address it. But BEFORE we can do that, we need to get some things clear about who is responsible and who's plans did not work. Why things didn't work or aren't working is an important part of the conversation.

For the black community, if you look at any period of time, even when they had inferior schools, blacks had increasing numbers in graduates and grades. Between 1954 and 1964, the graduation rate and grades for black students in America peaked. Since 1964 and LBJs Great Society programs, there has been a steady decline in both number of high school graduates and GPA. The dropout rate went through the roof.

Your idea (I'm sure) is to get up and throw some more money at education. The problem is, your ideas aren't working and haven't worked. We need some new ideas. We spend more per capita per student in the US than any other country. Yet, our students are among the dumbest. We have high schools and middle schools who have absolutely gone insane with this Common Core pablum. The correct answer doesn't matter, the fair answer is important.

So yeah... education... BIG ******* problem for blacks and everyone.
Thanks to Liberal Democrats.

 

[MarcATL]

The republicans harbor / promote racists . And that's deal breaker .

It's not just blacks . All minorities run from the GOP .

Republicans do not promote racism. That's a liberal lie.

Minorities run to democrats because they are bribed with promises of free stuff.

Another GOP miscue . Implying all blacks are on welfare . Just more dog whistle racism .

Do not middle class and rich blacks feel loyalty with their less fortunate brothers and vote accordingly?

Try to be less of a lying asshole.

I told u already . It's the GOP racism that's the deal breaker . They can't get middle class or religious blacks because of that .

Yep, I'm in both of those denos, know many others too that simply will never vote republican, although we live personal conservative lifestyles. What self-proclaimed Conservatives call conservative is not really conservative, its extremism.

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[edthecynic]

This guy nails it!

Love me some ZoNation!

Just another CON$ervative telling Blacks they are too stupid to know what's good for them.
Gee, I can't imagine why that doesn't win over the Black community to the GOP!

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

That is only because you put the racist spin on affirmative action!. AA states that a preference is given to minorities who are EQUALLY QUALIFIED with white candidates, but to the racist no minority is ever equally qualified as a white therefore to a racist AA affirms their prejudice that minorities are genetically inferior, as you so eloquently stated by putting your words in Democrats mouths.

 

[edthecynic]

Who has been in charge of our education system from top to bottom since 1965? It is not the Republican party. It is not Conservatives.

Bullshit! You must be too young to remember, but in the 1960s it was the students protesting against the CON$ervative school system that made headlines throughout the decade. The students have ALWAYS been more Liberal than the schools, and still are!

 

[regent]

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

What that statement about having the same items proves that the opportunity for blacks is no different than that of any other groups.

Read, there are so many books by people that have seen both from a teacher's view and as an administrator's. Try Kozol's book first about the "Savage Inequalities" and so many other books. Might even try a book on the "Teach For America" program.

If all students in a class have the same books, same teachers, get the same lessons, etc., how are they not getting the same opportunity in the classroom?

Do all students have the same book or even have a book? They certainly might not have the same teachers, teachers are not machine produced, the good ones go where the money, the smart kids, and less discipline problems are. In five years half the new teachers are gone from all the schools. Combat pay has been tried for teachers in some schools. Some classes have substitute teachers for the entire year or worse different subs throughout the week. People can be given emergency teaching credentials, I heard of one state where the education to sub required a high school diploma. Like most political entities schools reflect the haves and the have-nots. In any case schools do not offer the same educational opportunity and guess what kids get the short end of the stick?

 

[ninja007]

2nd in voting on con side is a real 100% black man. Libs are sure stupid. Robert KKK Byrd ring a bell libbies?