What can republicans do for blacks?

[Correll]

So who decides that black children do not need or deserve an equal education opportunity?

They have just as equal of an education as anybody else. The problem is that with the education they have, many of them drop out of school. So better teachers would make the difference?

If you want to work on black education, you first have to solve the single-parent family problem that plagues the black community. Parents are instrumental in a child's education which doesn't happen all that much in those black schools. In white or otherwise middle-class schools, parents are involved.

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

What that statement about having the same items proves that the opportunity for blacks is no different than that of any other groups.

Read, there are so many books by people that have seen both from a teacher's view and as an administrator's. Try Kozol's book first about the "Savage Inequalities" and so many other books. Might even try a book on the "Teach For America" program.

Let me guess, the answer is more money for education?

 

[Correll]

The republicans harbor / promote racists . And that's deal breaker .

It's not just blacks . All minorities run from the GOP .

Republicans do not promote racism. That's a liberal lie.

Minorities run to democrats because they are bribed with promises of free stuff.

Another GOP miscue . Implying all blacks are on welfare . Just more dog whistle racism .

Do not middle class and rich blacks feel loyalty with their less fortunate brothers and vote accordingly?

Try to be less of a lying asshole.

I told u already . It's the GOP racism that's the deal breaker . They can't get middle class or religious blacks because of that .

Yep, I'm in both of those denos, know many others too that simply will never vote republican, although we live personal conservative lifestyles. What self-proclaimed Conservatives call conservative is not really conservative, its extremism.

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You think if a significant portion of you started crossing the line, you couldn't make the leadership of both parties sit up and beg like a well trained dog?

Yet, you are taken for granted by libs who look at your personally conservative lifestyle with complete disrespect.

 

[Correll]

This guy nails it!

Love me some ZoNation!

Just another CON$ervative telling Blacks they are too stupid to know what's good for them.
Gee, I can't imagine why that doesn't win over the Black community to the GOP!

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

That is only because you put the racist spin on affirmative action!. AA states that a preference is given to minorities who are EQUALLY QUALIFIED with white candidates, but to the racist no minority is ever equally qualified as a white therefore to a racist AA affirms their prejudice that minorities are genetically inferior, as you so eloquently stated by putting your words in Democrats mouths.

Bullshit.

If you've missed all the examples of less qualified minorities being benefited over more qualified whites, it's because you have been purposefully ignoring data you don't like.

 

[Correll]

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

What that statement about having the same items proves that the opportunity for blacks is no different than that of any other groups.

Read, there are so many books by people that have seen both from a teacher's view and as an administrator's. Try Kozol's book first about the "Savage Inequalities" and so many other books. Might even try a book on the "Teach For America" program.

If all students in a class have the same books, same teachers, get the same lessons, etc., how are they not getting the same opportunity in the classroom?

Do all students have the same book or even have a book? They certainly might not have the same teachers, teachers are not machine produced, the good ones go where the money, the smart kids, and less discipline problems are. In five years half the new teachers are gone from all the schools. Combat pay has been tried for teachers in some schools. Some classes have substitute teachers for the entire year or worse different subs throughout the week. People can be given emergency teaching credentials, I heard of one state where the education to sub required a high school diploma. Like most political entities schools reflect the haves and the have-nots. In any case schools do not offer the same educational opportunity and guess what kids get the short end of the stick?

You seem to be purposefully ignoring our point.

 

[bedowin62]

This guy nails it!

Love me some ZoNation!

Just another CON$ervative telling Blacks they are too stupid to know what's good for them.
Gee, I can't imagine why that doesn't win over the Black community to the GOP!

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

That is only because you put the racist spin on affirmative action!. AA states that a preference is given to minorities who are EQUALLY QUALIFIED with white candidates, but to the racist no minority is ever equally qualified as a white therefore to a racist AA affirms their prejudice that minorities are genetically inferior, as you so eloquently stated by putting your words in Democrats mouths.

Bullshit.

If you've missed all the examples of less qualified minorities being benefited over more qualified whites, it's because you have been purposefully ignoring data you don't like.

the President of the United States comes to mind. Are left-wing nutjobs seriously saying there werent more qualified White politicians than obama when he ran for office?? Affirmative action not only selects the less qualified Black person over more qualified White people, it often selects the less qualified Black person OVER MORE QUALIFIED BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE LESS WELL-CONNECTED.


idiots and hypocrites

 

[Votto]

What can republicans do for blacks?

Free them from slavery.

That happened over 100 years ago(Thanks, by the way!!)

I am asking about present day America. You know, circa 2015.

Yes, and the Dims championed Civil Rights over 50 years ago, but that still seems to give them a free pass it seems.

 

[MarcATL]

How do u explain ALL minorities leaning democrat .

Even Jewish people . They paid off by the dems too?

Including Asians, who the USMB rightwingers like to tout as consistently "doing better than whites".

I wonder how they explain that.

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[MarcATL]

How do u explain ALL minorities leaning democrat .

Even Jewish people . They paid off by the dems too?

The "Republicans are racist" liberal propaganda that's broadcast 24/7.

You think Jews are that dumb and/or Republicans are that smart?

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[rightwinger]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

Apparently Democrats haven't done nothing for the 95% voting bloc. Black unemployment and poverty is significantly higher than other groups.

What have Republicans done to "earn" their 5% of the black vote?

 

[Correll]

How do u explain ALL minorities leaning democrat .

Even Jewish people . They paid off by the dems too?

Including Asians, who the USMB rightwingers like to tout as consistently "doing better than whites".

I wonder how they explain that.

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Great politics and propaganda on the part of the Left, including those in the media and pop culture.

YOu never heard that before? That's a little hard to believe...

 

[Correll]

How do u explain ALL minorities leaning democrat .

Even Jewish people . They paid off by the dems too?

The "Republicans are racist" liberal propaganda that's broadcast 24/7.

You think Jews are that dumb and/or Republicans are that smart?

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There is no connection between being affected by propaganda and intelligence.

You just made up a reason to smear a republican with a false accusation of racism.

Imagine tens of millions of libs doing that constantly like well programmed lemmings and you can see how it happens.

 

[Correll]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

Apparently Democrats haven't done nothing for the 95% voting bloc. Black unemployment and poverty is significantly higher than other groups.

What have Republicans done to "earn" their 5% of the black vote?

REpresent their interests and beliefs.

 

[Conservative65]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

Apparently Democrats haven't done nothing for the 95% voting bloc. Black unemployment and poverty is significantly higher than other groups.

What have Republicans done to "earn" their 5% of the black vote?

Not pandered to the 5% that don't want to stay on the government plantation.

 

[hortysir]

What can republicans do for blacks?

Free them from slavery.

"within WHICH designated states", exactly.......?

 

[amrchaos]

Affirmative Action came about because of what again? Systematic Discrimination in the workplace during the 60's and 70's.

Why is it still here should be the focus. Instead, you want to rewrite the reason.

By the way, have you compared the argument as to why Corporations want to hire Foreigners over Americans? If you study it carefully, it i the same excuse as to why Corporations did not want to hire minorities and women.

Excuse 1)Can't find one that is skilled
Excuse 2)They do not want to do the job.

American Corporations are beginning to discriminating against all Americans now, and you think Affirmative Action is just a "Race" issue. Seeing the trend, it will need to include all Americans instead.

So you do believe using race is wrong to deny but OK to use race to benefit? With AA, hiring a black now due to color of skin is nothing more than systematic racism.

Affirmative action involves more than just race--you do know that, right?

So if AA was used to hire a woman, it is racism?
How about a white man in a Wheelchair--racism?
How about a muslim--racism?

AA is used in these cases--Do you still call it racism when this occur, or do you give it a new name, like "Reverse racism"?

The problem is is that racism was so prominent at that time frame that many people did not know that employers were discriminating against other groups of people as well. You seem to fall into that category, you did not recognize the handicapped white guy who gained employment, but the black guy getting the job stuck out like a sore thumb.

Black people are easily to notice though, I have to admit that.

The 70s were a long time ago. Most of the people doing the hiring then, are probably retired if not dead by now.

Today? It's been reversed.

The white guy getting screwed today, probably wasn't even in the workforce back in the 70s, hell, he probably wasn't even alive.

So you want a meritocracy--hire based on merit/skills only. OK, but how do you safeguard the meritocracy? Remember, we weren't practicing a meritocracy beforehand, that is how AA came about. People were ruled out based on appearence, not skill.

By the way, I am for a meritocracy except in the cases of small family businesses.

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

 

[hortysir]

If the GOP wants black votes,

they can start by telling black American workers, who are disproportionately unionized workers,

how busting their unions is going to make their lives better.

they can go on by telling black Americans, who are disproportionately low income, how taking away their Medicaid is going to make their lives better.

How about that for starters?

If blacks are "disproportionately" unionized and "disproportionately" on Medicaid what is Big Unions doing to help?

 

[Correll]

So you do believe using race is wrong to deny but OK to use race to benefit? With AA, hiring a black now due to color of skin is nothing more than systematic racism.

Affirmative action involves more than just race--you do know that, right?

So if AA was used to hire a woman, it is racism?
How about a white man in a Wheelchair--racism?
How about a muslim--racism?

AA is used in these cases--Do you still call it racism when this occur, or do you give it a new name, like "Reverse racism"?

The problem is is that racism was so prominent at that time frame that many people did not know that employers were discriminating against other groups of people as well. You seem to fall into that category, you did not recognize the handicapped white guy who gained employment, but the black guy getting the job stuck out like a sore thumb.

Black people are easily to notice though, I have to admit that.

The 70s were a long time ago. Most of the people doing the hiring then, are probably retired if not dead by now.

Today? It's been reversed.

The white guy getting screwed today, probably wasn't even in the workforce back in the 70s, hell, he probably wasn't even alive.

So you want a meritocracy--hire based on merit/skills only. OK, but how do you safeguard the meritocracy? Remember, we weren't practicing a meritocracy beforehand, that is how AA came about. People were ruled out based on appearence, not skill.

By the way, I am for a meritocracy except in the cases of small family businesses.

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

I take it you are new to this planet?

 

[Conservative65]

I went to school with plenty of blacks, same rooms, same teachers, same books, same lectures, same assignments.

Going to school with blacks doesn't do it you can make that into any experience you want. I went to Englewood High school on Chicago's south side, but that does not make me any more knowledgeable about equality of schools in other parts of America. America has a problem with black education and we should begin to find some solutions. I see it as America's problem, not Chicago's or even a state problem, it is a national problem.

What that statement about having the same items proves that the opportunity for blacks is no different than that of any other groups.

Read, there are so many books by people that have seen both from a teacher's view and as an administrator's. Try Kozol's book first about the "Savage Inequalities" and so many other books. Might even try a book on the "Teach For America" program.

If all students in a class have the same books, same teachers, get the same lessons, etc., how are they not getting the same opportunity in the classroom?

Do all students have the same book or even have a book? They certainly might not have the same teachers, teachers are not machine produced, the good ones go where the money, the smart kids, and less discipline problems are. In five years half the new teachers are gone from all the schools. Combat pay has been tried for teachers in some schools. Some classes have substitute teachers for the entire year or worse different subs throughout the week. People can be given emergency teaching credentials, I heard of one state where the education to sub required a high school diploma. Like most political entities schools reflect the haves and the have-nots. In any case schools do not offer the same educational opportunity and guess what kids get the short end of the stick?

In the district where I live, there are 19 high schools. An Economics class at School A has the same textbook as the class at Schools B - S.

If you're going to say the schools are bad and produce an unequal opportunity, why do those you'd call poorer schools produce students that excel?

You're basing your entire proposal to change things on isolated examples.

You heard?

 

[Conservative65]

So you do believe using race is wrong to deny but OK to use race to benefit? With AA, hiring a black now due to color of skin is nothing more than systematic racism.

Affirmative action involves more than just race--you do know that, right?

So if AA was used to hire a woman, it is racism?
How about a white man in a Wheelchair--racism?
How about a muslim--racism?

AA is used in these cases--Do you still call it racism when this occur, or do you give it a new name, like "Reverse racism"?

The problem is is that racism was so prominent at that time frame that many people did not know that employers were discriminating against other groups of people as well. You seem to fall into that category, you did not recognize the handicapped white guy who gained employment, but the black guy getting the job stuck out like a sore thumb.

Black people are easily to notice though, I have to admit that.

The 70s were a long time ago. Most of the people doing the hiring then, are probably retired if not dead by now.

Today? It's been reversed.

The white guy getting screwed today, probably wasn't even in the workforce back in the 70s, hell, he probably wasn't even alive.

So you want a meritocracy--hire based on merit/skills only. OK, but how do you safeguard the meritocracy? Remember, we weren't practicing a meritocracy beforehand, that is how AA came about. People were ruled out based on appearence, not skill.

By the way, I am for a meritocracy except in the cases of small family businesses.

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

With AA, hiring isn't done based on skill and merit only. Race is being considered as a factor.

 

[amrchaos]

Affirmative action involves more than just race--you do know that, right?

So if AA was used to hire a woman, it is racism?
How about a white man in a Wheelchair--racism?
How about a muslim--racism?

AA is used in these cases--Do you still call it racism when this occur, or do you give it a new name, like "Reverse racism"?

The problem is is that racism was so prominent at that time frame that many people did not know that employers were discriminating against other groups of people as well. You seem to fall into that category, you did not recognize the handicapped white guy who gained employment, but the black guy getting the job stuck out like a sore thumb.

Black people are easily to notice though, I have to admit that.

The 70s were a long time ago. Most of the people doing the hiring then, are probably retired if not dead by now.

Today? It's been reversed.

The white guy getting screwed today, probably wasn't even in the workforce back in the 70s, hell, he probably wasn't even alive.

So you want a meritocracy--hire based on merit/skills only. OK, but how do you safeguard the meritocracy? Remember, we weren't practicing a meritocracy beforehand, that is how AA came about. People were ruled out based on appearence, not skill.

By the way, I am for a meritocracy except in the cases of small family businesses.

You're saying it's OK to benefit those not passed over by giving them a benefit based on race. At the same time, those that had nothing to do with the passing over now have to suffer the consequences of something they didn't do. If using race to deny is wrong, trying to make up for it by using race to benefit is also wrong.

If you hire on merit/skill only how does race come into play?

I take it you are new to this planet?

We do this in the military--Why not in the workplace?