Zone1 What are Your Deepest Confusions About God?

[Carl in Michigan]

I've never been confused by the doctrine of the Trinity because I don't believe in it, but upon reading about it I did find it to be confusing that others would believe in it since it is not in the Bible or any revealed scripture that I am aware of. The part that is extremely confusing is when it is taught that the Father and the Son are the same being and yet separate and distinct persons. Apparently this concept was devised in the post apostolic era a good time after the apostles and Christ were no longer leading the church.

Yes. GOD doesn't confuse me but people who are willing to believe a lie sure do!

 

[kyzr]

Plenty of contradictions in the Bible, and still a case of "I pick this part and not that part" from Christianity.

Don't just say "bible" stick with the NT.
No contradictions that I'm aware of. But the passages are subject to interpretation.
Some sound like we all get to heaven, and others say NFW.

 

[BreezeWood]

Not really. Buddhism and Christianity for example have a totally different base but have very similar values.

are there any other religions as the desert religions that are led to believe a lie their earliest ancestors disobeyed the heavens and for that reason everyone is born a sinner - regardless the ridiculous extremism of christianity's savior as well all three bibles, litanies of lies and distortions.

monotheism itself sacrifices all else for a single entity that does not even exist and is so marginalized by those religions only right wing fanatics are comfortable with what they now believe in ... zaang, the desert dweller - extraordinaire.

 

[kyzr]

are there any other religions as the desert religions that are led to believe a lie their earliest ancestors disobeyed the heavens and for that reason everyone is born a sinner - regardless the ridiculous extremism of Christianity's savior as well all three bibles, litanies of lies and distortions.

monotheism itself sacrifices all else for a single entity that does not even exist and is so marginalized by those religions only right wing fanatics are comfortable with what they now believe in ... zaang, the desert dweller - extraordinaire.

Maybe you should investigate "spirit boxes" and see if the spirit world is bullshit? Are there souls or not?

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

99.9999999999999999999999% of all viable world religion are a spin off of the God of the Bible in some form or fashion

Try again.

Uh.... wut

What a bizarre and obviously false claim.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Are there souls or not?

Of course not. What are we, 4 years old?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Don't just say "bible" stick with the NT.
No contradictions that I'm aware of. But the passages are subject to interpretation.
Some sound like we all get to heaven, and others say NFW.

You're picking and choosing. The Bible has the new and old testaments. Either they're the truth or they're not.

Yes, passages "are subject to interpretation", what a great get out clause.

 

[sparky]

What i find telling is most christians will be the first to acknowledge God, God's word, the will of God , etc, w/out doing so for St Michael ~S~

 

[kyzr]

You're picking and choosing. The Bible has the new and old testaments. Either they're the truth or they're not.
Yes, passages "are subject to interpretation", what a great get out clause.

Not so. Authors from 1500 BC didn't have fact checkers.
Humans have a 3% error rate built-in, so nothing is 100% accurate not even the bible.

What are we debating? i keep forgetting, sorry.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not so. Authors from 1500 BC didn't have fact checkers.
Humans have a 3% error rate built-in, so nothing is 100% accurate not even the bible.

What are we debating? i keep forgetting, sorry.

We don't know how many people died in the invasion of Iraq or the subsequent conflict within Iraq.

That's this century with media everywhere, internet all kinds of communication devices.

3,000 years ago... how much do you think would be real? Not much. People might write something, then someone edits it, changes it, destroys it.

The Bible is a bunch of stories, we don't know if Jesus even existed. Could just be a fictional character. We have no idea.

 

[zaangalewa]

are there any other religions as the desert religions

What has the expression "desert religion" to do with the Jewish and the Christian religion and the Islam?

that are led to believe a lie their earliest ancestors disobeyed the heavens and for that reason everyone is born a sinner

"Born a sinner" is evident. Our "stone age behavior", our animalic behavior, our basic behavioral evolutionary equipment is more than just inadequate - especially because it also seems to be defective, if you look at the lack of bite inhibition, for example. Concrete example: The way how you speak with me could cause in a direct communication face to face your death if I really would be the barbarian most people "like you" see in people "like me" who hate Germans and/or Christians and/or Jews.

Your own education and your own intellectual capacity seems to be very reduced - otherwise you would not speak in such aggressive forms to other human berings who do not share your aggressive belief. By trying to bring others into a situation where they could have the feeling they have to defend themselves you are indeed only self-justifying your own agressions as far as I see.

- regardless the ridiculous extremism of christianity's savior as well all three bibles, litanies of lies and distortions.

I do not say now something to your extreme lack of knowledge which you show with this words.

monotheism itself sacrifices all else for a single entity that does not even exist

That god not existst is only another form of belief. And I have more the feeling to be currently a kind of "sacrifice" of your stupidity than I have the feeling to be a sacrifice of my own Christian traditions which I love very much. For sure currently at Christmas I did not suffer but wan a lot - although I gave much more presents to others than I received on my own. I'm very happy with this loss of money and that god gave me the possibility to be able to do so. In the end I see currently only the sacrifice to be a happy man. What causes some pain is a murderer who attacked a Christmas market in Magdeburg and who murdered five visitors there and hurted about 200 others. His weapon was a car. My only grief is more or less that what I see as “the normal madness” doesn't even stop at Christmas. We have to find ways to make it stop. I'm very sad over this huge loss. But I am also confident that God will take care of those who have been killed and that, with God's help, many will turn to support and help the maltreated souls.

and is so marginalized by those religions only right wing fanatics are comfortable with what they now believe in ... zaang, the desert dweller - extraordinaire.

To my ears you just croak very indistinctly. You should clean the mouthpiece of your doomsday trumpet. Maybe one day we won't be able to make you up.

 

[zaangalewa]

We don't know how many people died in the invasion of Iraq or the subsequent conflict within Iraq. ...

As far as I know murdered Saddam Hussein every year about 100,000 Iraqian people. In the 11 years of George W. Bush's "mission [never] accomplished" under his "coalition of the willing" [to break international laws] died about 600,000 Iraqi. So theoretically this unjustified war of the USA (and the nations who made themselves to a slave of the USA) saved the life of about 500,000 people.

 

[zaangalewa]

Of course not. What are we, 4 years old?

How do you explain the existence of your own soul ... or intellectual entity?

 

[kyzr]

We don't know how many people died in the invasion of Iraq or the subsequent conflict within Iraq.
That's this century with media everywhere, internet all kinds of communication devices.
3,000 years ago... how much do you think would be real? Not much. People might write something, then someone edits it, changes it, destroys it.
The Bible is a bunch of stories, we don't know if Jesus even existed. Could just be a fictional character. We have no idea.

We do know Jesus existed. The New Testament documents his life. You can choose to believe it or not.

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As I said before, you believe in spirituality or not.
If you don't, you can buy a "Spirit Box" and see if that convinces you one way or another.

 

[kyzr]

How do you explain the existence of your own soul ... or intellectual entity?

Maybe he can't explain it?

21 grams experiment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Haven't seen your posts for a while. I assume you were a Philosophy major?
I hope the EU countries are gearing up to stop Putin in Ukraine. We don't get EU news here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We do know Jesus existed. The New Testament documents his life. You can choose to believe it or not.

Face of Jesus? AI recreates stunning likeness of Shroud of Turin image that many believe to be Christ

A recent X-ray dating evaluation concluded that the linen sheet could actually could be from 2,000 years ago.

nypost.com

As I said before, you believe in spirituality or not.
If you don't, you can buy a "Spirit Box" and see if that convinces you one way or another.

It's the same as saying "we know Harry Potter existed, the Harry Potter books document his life"

And yes, it's about believing or not. There's NOT EVIDENCE.

And yes, religion is about believing, you can or you don't, if it makes you happy, then fine. Some people get their "happiness" from thinking they're winning because Trump won the presidency. Lots of people get happiness from things that aren't real.

 

[Votto]

Uh.... wut

What a bizarre and obviously false claim.

An exaggerated claim, but a true one nonetheless

The two dominant world religions are Christianity and Islam. None come close to those two.

Hindu's take up the rear but are mostly only in one area of the world.

 

[kyzr]

It's the same as saying "we know Harry Potter existed, the Harry Potter books document his life", it's about believing or not. There's NO EVIDENCE.
And yes, religion is about believing, you can or you don't, if it makes you happy, then fine. Some people get their "happiness" from thinking they're winning because Trump won the presidency. Lots of people get happiness from things that aren't real.

If you believe that there are no spirits, I suggest you buy a good "Spirit Box" to test your thesis.

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Reach out and touch "something".

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The shroud of Turin is physical evidence.

 

[ding]

There's NOT EVIDENCE.

The universe inexplicably popping into existence being implausibly wired to produce intelligence is evidence.

 

[kyzr]

The universe inexplicably popping into existence being implausibly wired to produce intelligence is evidence.

Actually that the universe exists is a miracle. There are so many variables that had to be precisely set or we wouldn't have existed.

The universe could NOT have happened by random chance.
Astrophysicists listed these as a few items that had to be set extremely precisely, some to 20 decimal places.
1. The force of gravity to the electric (Coulomb) force
2. Spatial curvature
3. The nuclear force
4. The density of matter
5. The dark matter ratio
6. Dark energy
7. Quantum clumps
8. The formation of carbon and oxygen
9. The properties of water
10. That neutrons are 0.1% heavier than protons
11. What happened to all the anti-matter?

Astrophysicist Bernard Haisch explains these in his book, "The Purpose-Guided Universe". Making a very good case for God.