Zone1 What are Your Deepest Confusions About God?

[kyzr]

End of "discussion". Sorry that I wasted your time. Thought it's worth to do so. My mistake.

OMG ... You are totally unreal and totally sick. How are you able to compare Palestinians with animals so the word "god" burns not down your tongue the moment you speak it out?

No one here in Germany who I know saw by the way your stubborn president Ronald Reagan in the role that he made the USSR collapse. Ronald Reagan was extremely inflexible and was only satisfied with a 100% success in all questions of the German reunion. He was a major obstacle on this path. The result of his everything-or-nothing politics for the USA we are able to see today in Putin. And the destabilization of international law and order - which we see today in and around Russia - started with George W. Bush's unjustified war on the Iraq. Not a heroic act either. Caused a lot of terrorism in the world.

And let it be to attack god with your form of anti-belief in god. You are a human being and your country is a country. None of both is god. Many people need the help of god and you seem to have nothing else to do then to block the ways leading to him because you seem to think the only way is the way which leads to you and your indoctrinated and indoctrinating perverted ideas. Violence is no solution. For nothing.

1. My bad, I used the word Palestinians instead of Hamas. Hamas are animals.

2. The USSR collapsed because of Ronald Reagan, he was not an "obstacle" he was the driving force. If you disagree, please tell me why.

3. The world and the Middle East are much better of without Saddam and his two vicious sons in it.

4. I'm not sure why you said I attacked God? God is God and Country is Country, Jesus said "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's".

5. What indoctrinated and perverted ideas do I have? We all have the right to defend ourselves and our families from violence. We have a saying here in the US, "we sleep well at night only because there are very rough men ready to do violence on our behalf".

 

[zaangalewa]

1. My bad, I used the word Palestinians instead of Hamas. Hamas are animals.

2. The USSR collapsed because of Ronald Reagan,

No.

he was not an "obstacle" he was the driving force. If you disagree, please tell me why.

3. The world and the Middle East are much better of without Saddam and his two vicious sons in it.

All big Christian churches - only exception had been the Anglican state church - made very clear that the Bush doctrine "preemptive strike" is not any criterion for a justifyable war. And you broke also the international laws with this war.
Today many of the lies of the US-government at this time of history are well known. And you should perhaps slowly start to learn that the international law is no criminal code of the USA. There was no justification for starting this war, it was a purely arbitrary decision by the American government. And later George W. Bush made the mistake to ignore Vladimir Putin who attacked Georgia and robbed territory from this country - what also had been a break of the international laws. Perhaps it had been better the international court would have issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin in this case too and also for George W. Bush before. The false tolerance for rich and powerful criminals must end - even if one can often only watch helplessly as the world runs into its own misery with these wretched types.

4. I'm not sure why you said I attacked God? God is God and Country is Country, Jesus said "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's".

I do not speak about god nor about the bible with you any longer.

5. What indoctrinated and perverted ideas do I have? We all have the right to defend ourselves and our families from violence. We have a saying here in the US, "we sleep well at night only because there are very rough men ready to do violence on our behalf".

So continue to sleep well, spiritual ignorant.

 

[kyzr]

No.

All big Christian churches - only exception had been the Anglican state church - made very clear that the Bush doctrine "preemptive strike" is not any criterion for a justifiable war. And you broke also the international laws with this war.
Today many of the lies of the US-government at this time of history are well known. And you should perhaps slowly start to learn that the international law is no criminal code of the USA. There was no justification for starting this war, it was a purely arbitrary decision by the American government. And later George W. Bush made the mistake to ignore Vladimir Putin who attacked Georgia and robbed territory from this country - what also had been a break of the international laws. Perhaps it had been better the international court would have issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin in this case too and also for George W. Bush before. The false tolerance for rich and powerful criminals must end - even if one can often only watch helplessly as the world runs into its own misery with these wretched types.

I do not speak about god nor about the bible with you any longer.

So continue to sleep well, spiritual ignorant.

1. Yes the USSR collapsed because of Reagan, you can't give me other reasons.

Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism

Abstract: "The fall of the [Soviet] empire," former Czech president Vaclav Havel wrote, "is an event on the same scale of historical importance as the fall of the Roman Empire." It is true that Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev repudiated the Brezhnev Doctrine--that the Soviet Union will use...

www.heritage.org

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2. Saddam was a butcher. He invaded Kuwait. He was a threat to civilization. The world is better without him in it.

Tales of Saddam's Brutality

3. The World Court? Who can enforce their "laws"? Its actually a European Court.

4. My bible quote is accurate. What's your problem?

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:20-22 - King James Version

And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

www.biblegateway.com

5. I sleep like a log. We have very well trained protectors here in the US. I also go to church regularly. There is no spiritual contradiction.

 

[zaangalewa]

1. Yes the USSR collapsed because of Reagan, you can't give me other reasons.

Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism

Abstract: "The fall of the [Soviet] empire," former Czech president Vaclav Havel wrote, "is an event on the same scale of historical importance as the fall of the Roman Empire." It is true that Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev repudiated the Brezhnev Doctrine--that the Soviet Union will use...

www.heritage.org

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academic.oup.com

2. Saddam was a butcher. He invaded Kuwait. He was a threat to civilization. The world is better without him in it.

Tales of Saddam's Brutality

3. The World Court? Who can enforce their "laws"? Its actually a European Court.

4. My bible quote is accurate. What's your problem?

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:20-22 - King James Version

And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

www.biblegateway.com

5. I sleep like a log. We have very well trained protectors here in the US. I also go to church regularly. There is no spiritual contradiction.

Fine. Sleep well.



There in the southern edge crater, at the back of the interjaw wall,
where the pair of stinging nettles stood last year,
where it always laughs so loudly when the moon rolls over,
Over there, in a tank from the very last battle
that guy with hair all over his head and face,
to whom, when the moon is new, our whole tribe crawls.
He beats an instrument made of hollow wood and barbed wire
and tells us what used to happen here
in the good old days.

Back then, anyone who wanted to could stand on their hind claws.
But people found crawling much more comfortable than standing upright.
The hairy one says they even flew, and flew well.
But no one ever found broken wings under the rubble.
They lived above ground and in flocks at sunrise,
but to mate they crept into caves, always in pairs.
Their males had testicles and a little more weight,
but otherwise they were no different from the females
in the good old days.

Back then, fat plants grew everywhere along the roadside,
but eating them was considered extremely indelicate in that country.
People ate their own kind, even the lovable pig,
but those who could walk upright were not eaten, they were buried.
Sometimes you weren't allowed to kill them, sometimes you had to.
We no longer know the exact details, but there is something to it.
Because whoever burned thousands got the honorary pay,
but if you killed just one, the executioner took him away
in the good old days.

If a child stood under a shower completely naked and laughing,
then it was punished by having all its hair burned off.
But if it was good, for example if it drove a tank well,
then it was given a cross to hang around its neck as a reward.
A child was smashed if it tore the feet off the piano,
but they laughed when they tore an ear off the neighbor's head.
They liked to show the boys bloody holes in their heads,
but they were kept away from the hole of holes
in the good old days.

Everyone believed in the same invisible Manitou,
but the dispute about what he looked like did not leave them in peace.
Some painted him all white and others black or even red,
and from time to time they simply beat each other to death.
Whether the hand was all red with blood and the vest black with dirt,
it was all the same if only the skin was completely white, without any stain.
And the mixer of two colors was feathered and tarred
or threatened him with torment by fire after death
in the good old days.

And those who were old were considered wise, and those who were fat were considered strong.
And fat old men were believed at their word and without argument.
And when clouds turned color in the evening, people were still happy,
and people continued to eat calmly when the earth smelled burnt.
For water still fell from the sky and the sun was still far away,
and the big bear was still sleeping, in the good old days.
And the earth did not suddenly turn backwards and in circles.
But people worked hard until they succeeded, as everyone knows.
And that was the end of those times,
the good old days.

And so we squat at the new moon on the interjaw wall,
where the pair of stinging nettles stood last year.
And we listen to the hairy man playing his instrument loudly.
And we listen, listen, listen for nights on end, unmoving.
And we dream of the good old days and the country,
where there was enough to eat everywhere and at all times.
Our tribal mother caresses our youngest with her ten,
Sometimes she sighs: “Oh you broodmates, how nice it used to be
in the good old days.”

 

[kyzr]

Fine. Sleep well.

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[Meriweather]

The shroud of Turin isn't evidence at all. If you understand what evidence actually is.

It was denounced as a fraud in 1389, and it's probably contemporary from that period

It is a Leonardo hoax -- he detested Cult Christianity .

Computer analysis shows exactly how he "printed" his own self portrait onto the shroud .
And when he did it .

He certainly laughed last and longest at Cult Christians and other Gullibles .


Deniers can splutter and choke as much as they desperately need to .
But the fact is that Leonardo made you all look fools .

There have been more recent scientific studies of the Shroud of Turin. It has been found that the Carbon Dating test done in 1988 was from wk1hen the shroud w1as repaired in the j1300s. No, the DaVinci rumor is the hoax, or at least fault. While there are fleck1s of paint on the shroud, no brush strok1es are present, and there is blood.

What may be interesting to Catholics is that it is Type APB blood...the same blood type found on Communion host miracles that showk1 the miracle of0 hosts turning into the body and blood from a deep heart muscle, blood type AB.

Recent studies also show that the 'crown' of thorns (thorns 2"-4") was more like a helmet of thorns; that Jesus was whipped 120 times, by two men--the man on the right whipping more vigorously than the one on the left. He was struck in the face by a thick rod, the bottom of which was 3/4" in diameter.

The shroud shows powerful light/radiation marks as well. The shroud is dated back to the time of Jesus, and the weave pattern was used (and found) only in Israel. It would have been owned by a wealthy man (as Joseph of Arimathea was known to have been.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have been more recent scientific studies of the Shroud of Turin. It has been found that the Carbon Dating test done in 1988 was from wk1hen the shroud w1as repaired in the j1300s. No, the DaVinci rumor is the hoax, or at least fault. While there are fleck1s of paint on the shroud, no brush strok1es are present, and there is blood.

What may be interesting to Catholics is that it is Type APB blood...the same blood type found on Communion host miracles that showk1 the miracle of0 hosts turning into the body and blood from a deep heart muscle, blood type AB.

Recent studies also show that the 'crown' of thorns (thorns 2"-4") was more like a helmet of thorns; that Jesus was whipped 120 times, by two men--the man on the right whipping more vigorously than the one on the left. He was struck in the face by a thick rod, the bottom of which was 3/4" in diameter.

The shroud shows powerful light/radiation marks as well. The shroud is dated back to the time of Jesus, and the weave pattern was used (and found) only in Israel. It would have been owned by a wealthy man (as Joseph of Arimathea was known to have been.

Even if the shroud dates back to the time of Jesus, it's still not even evidence. The chances that it was put over a dead person's face and then something happened is about one in a trillion or more.

Basically people want it to be something, so they say it is something and hope that people agree.

 

[Meriweather]

Even if the shroud dates back to the time of Jesus, it's still not even evidence. The chances that it was put over a dead person's face and then something happened is about one in a trillion or more.

Basically people want it to be something, so they say it is something and hope that people agree.

Even more basic than that is people see a burial shroud and wonder what stories it can reveal. This is where science steps in. The basics are that the shroud covered a man whose blood type is AB. The man had been whipped--120 times front and back, from head to the soles of his feet, beaten about the face, and his head had been pierced with thorny brambles. He was crucified, his side pierced. How this was imprinted on the cloth has yet to be determined, but radiation, light seem to have been involved. The cloth itself has been dated back to the time of Christ. The type of weave has only been found in Israel; pollen from plants blooming in Israel in the spring was noted in the material.

Those are facts, scientifically verified. Still, I always encourage everyone to do their own research with the sources they trust. From there we go to tradition which says it was the burial cloth of Christ. Can it be known with one hundred percent certainty this was Jesus of Nazareth, who was called Christ? The one who said of bread and wine, This is my body...this is my blood? Miracles of the Communion host down through time have one thing in common with the shroud: The blood type is AB.

As for your last sentence: It can also be said: Basically some people don't want it to be anything, so they say it is not anything special and hope people agree.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Even more basic than that is people see a burial shroud and wonder what stories it can reveal. This is where science steps in. The basics are that the shroud covered a man whose blood type is AB. The man had been whipped--120 times front and back, from head to the soles of his feet, beaten about the face, and his head had been pierced with thorny brambles. He was crucified, his side pierced. How this was imprinted on the cloth has yet to be determined, but radiation, light seem to have been involved. The cloth itself has been dated back to the time of Christ. The type of weave has only been found in Israel; pollen from plants blooming in Israel in the spring was noted in the material.

Those are facts, scientifically verified. Still, I always encourage everyone to do their own research with the sources they trust. From there we go to tradition which says it was the burial cloth of Christ. Can it be known with one hundred percent certainty this was Jesus of Nazareth, who was called Christ? The one who said of bread and wine, This is my body...this is my blood? Miracles of the Communion host down through time have one thing in common with the shroud: The blood type is AB.

As for your last sentence: It can also be said: Basically some people don't want it to be anything, so they say it is not anything special and hope people agree.

No, your "basics" aren't actually "basics".

The shroud might have had human blood on it from an AB person, which could be anyone from the last 2,000 years who has AB blood. "Might" is an important word here.

https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/kearse4.pdf

"To date, this issue is still scientifically unresolved."

"It cannot be said with scientific certainty that the blood on the Shroud is of human origin"

The problem here is that certain "scientists", especially those who work for the Vatican, will have a tendency of doing tests to "prove" something, and won't have an open mind. Anything that disproves will be buried.