Zone1 What are Your Deepest Confusions About God?

[frigidweirdo]

One other thing to keep in mind: The perspectives I present are never my own, original perspective, but come from years of studying what other rabbis, priests, and scholars say. I present what I have learned from those who have more expertise in the Bible than I ever will. Some of these studies focus on the perspective of the water, which saved Noah and his family--a precursor of Baptism. Some of them are focused on understanding the original Hebrew. Others follow what is known about early cultures, early geology and geography.

Tell me, have you researched and studied Noah's Ark, or did you simply read it and decide, "It's about God killing all the animals." Another poster decided, "It's about God killing all the babies--all the innocent babies."

Sure, Noah's Ark is not only in the Bible. Plenty of other big flood stories.

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Which tells us that floods happened in ancient times, they were pretty important events, and people made stories about them, that contained a lot of fiction.

 

[frigidweirdo]

1. People have free will to do what they want.
2. I already said God doesn't get angry, he watches.
3. Things happen, like the flood, or World Wars, he doesn't cause them he sees them.
4. WW3 could end all life on earth, the other world wars were limited. Then again, read #1.
5. You haven't proven he likes to kill (read #1 again), without him we wouldn't even be here.

Not sure what point you're trying to make? That there is no God?
If you want physical proof I can give you a test of sorts.
Buy a good "Ghost Box or Spirit Box" and see what you discover.

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Reach out and touch "something".

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I don't think people have free will to do whatever they want.

God doesn't get angry, but God got angry and kill almost everyone.

"So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!"

Sounds angry to me, angry enough to do something illogical.

So, God says "I have decided to destroy all living creatures" and you say "it wasn't God". Sounds like God to me.

I haven't proven he likes to kill huh?

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Deuteronomy 32:39

‘See now that I, I am He,
And there is no god besides Me;
It is I who put to death and give life.
I have wounded and it is I who heal,
And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Do you need me to post them all?

 

[BreezeWood]

Sparky may buy your cyclical boomerang nonsense, but that's not how it happened.

Maybe try asking it this way.

Or this way.

i have proposed an experiment that will prove the bb theory - how it is accomplished.

the result of an object detonated in deep space that over time will reconstitute itself as an identical replica prior to its detonation.

your popcorn, snake oil mirage is nothing but a groundless diversion to try and explain the christian bible's claims that in conclusion are completely incoherent and without substance..

 

[kyzr]

I don't think people have free will to do whatever they want.
God doesn't get angry, but God got angry and kill almost everyone.
"So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!" Sounds angry to me, angry enough to do something illogical.

So, God says "I have decided to destroy all living creatures" and you say "it wasn't God". Sounds like God to me.

I haven't proven he likes to kill huh?

Deuteronomy 32:39
‘See now that I, I am He,
And there is no god besides Me;
It is I who put to death and give life.
I have wounded and it is I who heal,
And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Do you need me to post them all?

Moses wrote Genesis about 1500 BC. (3500 years ago)
I'm not a fan of the old testament, its outdated.

Jesus came down to give us the new testament, which IMHO supersedes the old testament.
Who decides which books are in or out of the old testament anyway?
The Torah is just the first five books of the OT

If you want to debate further please refer to the New Testament.

 

[ding]

i have proposed an experiment that will prove the bb theory - how it is accomplished.

the result of an object detonated in deep space that over time will reconstitute itself as an identical replica prior to its detonation.

your popcorn, snake oil mirage is nothing but a groundless diversion to try and explain the christian bible's claims that in conclusion are completely incoherent and without substance..

You are cracking me up with your idiocy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Moses wrote Genesis about 1500 BC. (3500 years ago)
I'm not a fan of the old testament, its outdated.

Jesus came down to give us the new testament, which IMHO supersedes the old testament.
Who decides which books are in or out of the old testament anyway?
The Torah is just the first five books of the OT

If you want to debate further please refer to the New Testament.

Can you be a fan of something or not a fan of something and the pick and choose?

Either the Bible is true, or it's not. Either the Old Testament and New Testament are true, or they're not.

 

[BreezeWood]

You are cracking me up with your idiocy.

your popcorn, snake oil mirage is nothing but a groundless diversion to try and explain the christian bible's claims that in conclusion are incoherent and without substance..

that's the best you can do - the earth popped into existence because that's what moses told you to believe.

have you found their stone tablets yet etched with their phony commandments - so phony they were destroyed than put on display.

 

[zaangalewa]

The question at hand is whether God our Eternal Heavenly Father is the same being as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Sigh

The sentence written above does not suggest that they are both the same being. If both the Father and Son are omniscient and able to perceive all and are one in all that they do then they would be in agreement on everything and would teach the same beliefs and teachings.

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So whoever hears the Father would actually hear what the Son would say to them. And if whoever rejects what the Father would teach would also reject what the Son would teach. So if anyone were to reject the Son, they would also reject God the Father.

Weird form to think. Did you ever dance? It is said who is not able to dance is also not able to fight. It's better to dance than to fight, isn't it?

No necessity of being the same being but only being one in thought, belief and teaching. The oneness of God is a oneness not of being the same being but of principle and of unity of what is good and right and sharing in the attributes of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence. According to John 17:20-23

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it is the will of God

Eh? Will of god? You speak in the will of god?

that those who believe in him will at some point come to reach this perfection

The perfect is not perfect

which is the same oneness that God the Father and Jesus share among themselves. It's not that we become the same being but that we become unified in goodness, knowledge, love, etc.

Ever read the Athanasian creed? Whatever. I tried today in the morning to find out why someone likes to murder visitors of a Christmas market. In the end I found out that the only motivation to do so is to fight happiness. So I am a little exhausted now and have problems in finding out what could be your relativelly irrelevant problem with the triune god. Life, happiness and joy are able to be destroyed - but never love will die.



PS. I could imagine your problem is that you make a god out of your own thoughts. But what if god thinks you? What would happen in this case with your thoughts? John 17,25-26

 

[kyzr]

Can you be a fan of something or not a fan of something and pick and choose?

Either the Bible is true, or it's not. Either the Old Testament and New Testament are true, or they're not.

The New Testament are the works of Jesus transcribed by 4 witnesses.
I have no clue who wrote most of the Old Testament, or how they knew what to write, or who decided what "books" to include.
Is the Torah more accurate, i.e. just the first five books?
Did God tell Moses what the Big Bang looked like in Genesis, i.e. Let there be light!
Deuteronomy sounds like instructions for tribal survival in a primitive world.
The OT makes circumcision a big deal.

IMHO the NT is true, the OT is generally true unless superseded by the NT.
A example, "an eye for an eye" vs "turn the other cheek".
They both can't be true.

 

[ding]

that's the best you can do - the earth popped into existence because that's what moses told you to believe.

have you found their stone tablets yet etched with their phony commandments - so phony they were destroyed than put on display.

No. The universe popped into existence and then began to expand and cool. The earth wouldn't come along for another 10 billion years or so.

 

[ding]

have you found their stone tablets yet etched with their phony commandments - so phony they were destroyed than put on display.

Yes

 

[Meriweather]

Sure, Noah's Ark is not only in the Bible. Plenty of other big flood stories.

Which tells us that floods happened in ancient times, they were pretty important events, and people made stories about them, that contained a lot of fiction.

Floods are the settings for stories, that is a given. Which of these other stories do atheists pounce upon to slander and defame God? Atheist, by the way, who often disparage, not praise, the conclusion in other situations the faithful saying, "God did it." Yet, when it suits their own purpose, "God did it" is gleefully asserted. God killed all the animals! God killed all the babies! God did it! That's their only purpose for discussing the story. Every other point is overlooked or dismissed.

Why is this? For people of faith, it is a given God is good. Perhaps the atheist plan of attack is to show God is not good, therefore if God is not good, God does not exist? If there is no God, no reason to know Him, love Him, serve Him...and everyone is free to know, love, and serve other things? This is the point where my own puzzlement has me deadlocked. Why such an effort to prove to others that God does not exist? Why not just skip to, "I have decided against knowing, loving, and serving God (as unimportant to my life) and to move on to activities, studies that hold more interest to me"?

 

[BreezeWood]

No. The universe popped into existence and then began to expand and cool. The earth wouldn't come along for another 10 billion years or so.

your popcorn, snake oil mirage is nothing but a groundless diversion to try and explain the christian bible's claims ...

there seems to be duality to your right wing christian fanaticism - now its 10 billion years the c-bible, moses forgets to mention, no problem the fanatic comes back to earth with their plea for reasoning and genuine understanding for their congregation ... as could they be wavering.

- this is what they were saying all along.

 

[BreezeWood]

Why is this? For people of faith, it is a given God is good.

- because people of faith, the desert religions are not reflective of the heavens but their own personal preferences and selfish purposes at the expense of those around them as their false commandments, deceitful catechisms used in the name of heavenly personification when nothing could be further from the truth.

right wing christianity has been a blight on religion since the 4th century.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The New Testament are the works of Jesus transcribed by 4 witnesses.
I have no clue who wrote most of the Old Testament, or how they knew what to write, or who decided what "books" to include.
Is the Torah more accurate, i.e. just the first five books?
Did God tell Moses what the Big Bang looked like in Genesis, i.e. Let there be light!
Deuteronomy sounds like instructions for tribal survival in a primitive world.
The OT makes circumcision a big deal.

IMHO the NT is true, the OT is generally true unless superseded by the NT.
A example, "an eye for an eye" vs "turn the other cheek".
They both can't be true.

Or so you've decided.

The old testament has how many books? Depends on who you are. Catholics have more than protestants and Orthodoxy has more than Catholics.

Why? Because people, pick and choose. It's a human decision. Not a Godly decision.

And so whoever's been telling you about the Bible has said you can also pick and choose.

You say the Old Testament and New Testament contradict each other, well, the new Testament is contradictory.

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)."

"No one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him (1 John 5:18; see also 1 John 3:6, 3:9)."

So, everyone has sinned. But those born of God don't sin, ever.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Floods are the settings for stories, that is a given. Which of these other stories do atheists pounce upon to slander and defame God? Atheist, by the way, who often disparage, not praise, the conclusion in other situations the faithful saying, "God did it." Yet, when it suits their own purpose, "God did it" is gleefully asserted. God killed all the animals! God killed all the babies! God did it! That's their only purpose for discussing the story. Every other point is overlooked or dismissed.

Why is this? For people of faith, it is a given God is good. Perhaps the atheist plan of attack is to show God is not good, therefore if God is not good, God does not exist? If there is no God, no reason to know Him, love Him, serve Him...and everyone is free to know, love, and serve other things? This is the point where my own puzzlement has me deadlocked. Why such an effort to prove to others that God does not exist? Why not just skip to, "I have decided against knowing, loving, and serving God (as unimportant to my life) and to move on to activities, studies that hold more interest to me"?

Yep, floods are settings for stories and stories sometimes make things bigger than they are. We call it FICTION. There was never a flood that killed all animals, that flooded the entire Earth. How would some dude in one part of the world know the whole Earth was flooded? They wouldn't.

Now sure what point you're trying to make after the first sentence. Doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How so? They are demonstrably two very different beings.

So?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Moses wrote Genesis about 1500 BC. (3500 years ago)

No, he didn't. Moses was illiterate.

 

[sparky]

We call it FICTION. T

woe is thee of little faith Frigid one....... ~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

woe is thee of little faith Frigid one....... ~S~

Little faith would be an over estimation.