What are you depending on government to do for you?

[TruthNotBS]

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If you think mass mobilization, government, authority and resources it what it takes ...
To cure what is wrong when it comes to a person living in an alley with a needle stuck I their arm ...
Then you are delusional ... To a point you will probably never understand what is actually required ...
And you will continue to insist on same damn failure that keeps them there in the first place.

Just accept that you are part of the problem ...

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You're obviously the one who is "delusional" if you think you can solve the problem without government authority and resources. Your church or private charity isn't going to solve the problem. It's not doing it now and it won't do it in the future. What it takes is government authority in collogoation with the private sector and charities. There has to be a crackdown, with law enforcement and people who are homeless and addicted to drugs, will be forced off the street, just like Trump says:

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I love it when Trump talks and behaves like a populist-fascist. I hope it's not just an act and he actually goes through with his plans, because that's the solution. Mass deportations by the strong arm of government is also another solution. The weight, heavy hand of government has to be used sometimes. It's a tool, that the people need sometimes, to solve their problems. Cleaning our streets, making them safe, securing our borders, kicking out illegals, all of that requires the heavy hand of government. Authority, power. I hope Trump uses his power wisely.

 

[BlackSand]

You're obviously the one who is "delusional" if you think you can solve the problem without government authority and resources.

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I said that you cannot help a drug addicted homeless person unless you personally take responsibility and get involved.
If what you think about the government was true ... We wouldn't be having this discussion.

I have explained what it takes ... In detail.
And I am willing to accept that you think throwing someone else's money and effort at it would produce better results.

Don't think that means I don't think you are not only incapable of doing it yourself ...
But would much prefer to make it someone else's problem and blame your failures on them.

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[sparky]

There has to be a crackdown, with law enforcement and people who are homeless and addicted to drugs, will be forced off the street, just like Trump says:

I'm having to live this out in the 'poor white trash' rural contingent.

Last week one of the crackheads was waiting for the 'moo bus' at the end of his trailer park in his crappy little car.

As i passed, i noted the driver door open, and his head on the steering wheel

Backing up, i could see that he was still holding his pipe in his lap

This is every other day in my hood.....

~S~

 

[Foxfyre]

What legislation do you need from government to make your life better?

We need for the federal government to do what it absolutely has to do that the states and local communities cannot do for themselves. And then we need for it to get out of our way and let us make our lives better.

 

[sparky]

I said that you cannot help a drug addicted homeless person unless you personally take responsibility and get involved.

I have been i the past BlackSand, but we're talking about sorts that are will never and a day take any personal responsibility themselves......~S~

 

[sparky]

We need for the federal government to do what it absolutely has to do that the states and local communities cannot do for themselves

welp, we got an eyeful of that with Ashville FF......~S~

 

[TruthNotBS]

Always nice to meet a fellow Ex-Soldier.

Question, Under the system you advocate, what incentives do "capitalists" have to "serve the country"?

Well first of all, as an American citizen we have obligations and responsibilities to our country and communities. So let's begin there, it's not about waiting to be convinced by the government to serve. If you're a properly raised and educated human being and American, you already know you have certain obligations and responsibilities towards your fellow-man, especially your fellow Americans. The economy is a vital element of our national infrastructure, without it we don't have a nation, and capitalists are the primary job creators in a market economy, not the government (as in Marxism).

There are incentives for capitalists in a National Socialist-run US government and country. Your business is considered a service to the country and community, providing goods and services, jobs..etc. So tax incentives, grants, contracts. Take care of your workers, make sure they're well paid and working in a safe environment, and the government will reward you. The community that your business serves will also reward you with a customer base able to afford your goods and services. The working class will have affordable housing, education, healthcare..etc. They'll live in a country with a robust, modern infrastructure, able to provide them with services, like public transit, utilities..etc.

The private sector will work in tandem with the public sector, serving the nation (the volk, the people). That is a healthy capitalism, that enriches everyone, not just the capitalist class. Working class people will also benefit from that form of capitalism. The government can also assist workers who want to organize worker-owned companies, running them as cooperatives, increasing democracy in the workplace. That's also doable in a national socialist-run economy. Laws can be passed that ensure workers own a certain % of privately owned companies. Especially large corporations, perhaps not so much smaller, mom-pop Pizzerias, but the big companies. Workers will have a seat in the boardroom.

Essentially, capitalism must be patriotic, prioritizing the needs of the people, or public good, rather than private profits.

 

[BlackSand]

I have been i the past BlackSand, but we're talking about sorts that are will never and a day take any personal responsibility themselves......~S~

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They don't have to take responsibility for themselves ...
People keep making excuses for them and pretending it's the government's responsibility to take of everything.

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[TruthNotBS]

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I said that you cannot help a drug addicted homeless person unless you personally take responsibility and get involved.
If what you think about the government was true ... We wouldn't be having this discussion.

I have explained what it takes ... In detail.
And I am willing to accept that you think throwing someone else's money and effort at it would produce better results.

Don't think that means I don't think you are not only incapable of doing it yourself ...
But would much prefer to make it someone else's problem and blame your failures on them.

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I already explained to you, that the government will be working in collaboration with local communities, organizations, churches..etc, not just doing everything on its own. What part of that didn't you understand? You just want to grind the ax for nothing. You're those people who just want to debate for the sake of debating, being the snarky contrarian.

 

[sparky]

Essentially, capitalism must be patriotic, prioritizing the needs of the people, or public good, rather than private profits.

meaning buy American?

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They don't have to take responsibility for themselves ...
People keep making excuses for them and pretending it's the government's responsibility to take of everything.

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understood BlackSand , i would only add that it's not quite working out as well as the government thought it would......~S~

 

[NetJedi]

Well first of all, as an American citizen we have obligations and responsibilities to our country and communities. So let's begin there, it's not about waiting to be convinced by the government to serve. If you're a properly raised and educated human being and American, you already know you have certain obligations and responsibilities towards your fellow-man, especially your fellow Americans. The economy is a vital element of our national infrastructure, without it we don't have a nation, and capitalists are the primary job creators in a market economy, not the government (as in Marxism).

There are incentives for capitalists in a National Socialist-run US government and country. Your business is considered a service to the country and community, providing goods and services, jobs..etc. So tax incentives, grants, contracts. Take care of your workers, make sure they're well paid and working in a safe environment, and the government will reward you. The community that your business serves will also reward you with a customer base able to afford your goods and services. The working class will have affordable housing, education, healthcare..etc. They'll live in a country with a robust, modern infrastructure, able to provide them with services, like public transit, utilities..etc.

The private sector will work in tandem with the public sector, serving the nation (the volk, the people). That is a healthy capitalism, that enriches everyone, not just the capitalist class. Working class people will also benefit from that form of capitalism. The government can also assist workers who want to organize worker-owned companies, running them as cooperatives, increasing democracy in the workplace. That's also doable in a national socialist-run economy. Laws can be passed that ensure workers own a certain % of privately owned companies. Especially large corporations, perhaps not so much smaller, mom-pop Pizzerias, but the big companies. Workers will have a seat in the boardroom.

Essentially, capitalism must be patriotic, prioritizing the needs of the people, or public good, rather than private profits.

I don't believe that the majority of entrepreneurs consider their business "a service to the country and community", I suspect most consider their business a wise use of their resources in pursuit of a profit.

Under the system you propose, what do you do if an Entrepeneur refuses to go along with your program and just acts in ways to maximize the return on his/her capital without infringing upon anyone Elses life, liberty or property?

 

[Foxfyre]

welp, we got an eyeful of that with Ashville FF......~S~

I have no problem with a FEMA and emergency/disaster relief most especially when the resources of the state are overwhelmed. But that is what FEMA should be for and nothing else. It certainly should not be diverting American resources to a migrant invasion to encourage more of that invasion.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I don't believe that the majority of entrepreneurs consider their business "a service to the country and community", I suspect most consider their business a wise use of their resources in pursuit of a profit.

Under the system you propose, what do you do if an Entrepeneur refuses to go along with your program and just acts in ways to maximize the return on his/her capital without infringing upon anyone Elses life, liberty or property?

I know that's Jewish-run, individualistic-oriented, greedy capitalism without nationalism or National Socialism. I'm a National Socialist. Capitalism is a vital service to the country and local community. Markets are primarily for providing goods and services to the working class, allowing a market economy to function for the public good, not just to enrich capitalists, often to the detriment of the nation, when capitalism is improperly defined and regulated. Jewish-run banks and finance, Jewish-run stock markets, Jewish-run hedge funds, Jewish-run and financed speculative trading, Jewish-run media, Jewish-run education, Jewish-run social institutions, Jewish-run and occupied government..etc. That's the main problem in America. Jewish-run.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I have no problem with a FEMA and emergency/disaster relief most especially when the resources of the state are overwhelmed. But that is what FEMA should be for and nothing else. It certainly should not be diverting American resources to a migrant invasion to encourage more of that invasion.

The government needs to deport all illegals.

 

[NetJedi]

I know that's Jewish-run, individualistic-oriented, greedy capitalism without nationalism or National Socialism. I'm a National Socialist. Capitalism is a vital service to the country and local community. Markets are primarily for providing goods and services to the working class, allowing a market economy to function for the public good, not just to enrich capitalists, often to the detriment of the nation, when capitalism is improperly defined and regulated. Jewish-run banks and finance, Jewish-run stock markets, Jewish-run hedge funds, Jewish-run and financed speculative trading, Jewish-run media, Jewish-run education, Jewish-run social institutions, Jewish-run media, Jewish-run and occupied government..etc. That's the main problem in America. Jewish-run.

FYI: you failed to answer the question regarding what you do with Entrepreneurs that refuse to go along with your proposed program.

Capitalism isn't a service; it's just one of many economic systems; it just so happens to be the most successful one in the history of mankind if one uses lifting people out of poverty and broadly spreading material prosperity as a metric. Calling capitalism a service is like calling trigonometry a service.

I really never got the whole antisemitism schtick, Jewish people seem just like everyone Else to Me, to each his/her own I suppose.

 

[BlackSand]

I already explained to you, that the government will be working in collaboration with local communities, organizations, churches..etc, not just doing everything on its own. What part of that didn't you understand? You just want to grind the ax for nothing. You're those people who just want to debate for the sake of debating, being the snarky contrarian.

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What you didn't understand is that to actually succeed it will take personal commitment from you ...
And you cannot pass that obligation off on anyone else.

I understand what you are saying ...
But likewise, I know the enormous obligation it takes to actually get someone off the streets and clean ...And that's just the start ...
BECAUSE ABSOLITELY NOTHING GOING THROUGH THAT PERSON"S MIND IS ON TRACK ... NOT ONE SINGLE THOUGHT.

Now ... What is it you fail to understand about that?
My guess is that you have never been around anyone going through it ... And don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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[sparky]

If you're a properly raised and educated human being and American, you already know you have certain obligations and responsibilities towards your fellow-man, especially your fellow Americans.

~S~

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Make sure my social security and medicare remain unfucked with.

It's a political ploy by one party to tell you the "other party" is going to mess with your social security.

 

[TruthNotBS]

FYI: you failed to answer the question regarding what you do with Entrepreneurs that refuse to go along with your proposed program.

Capitalism isn't a service; it's just one of many economic systems; it just so happens to be the most successful one in the history of mankind if one uses lifting people out of poverty and broadly spreading material prosperity as a metric. Calling capitalism a service is like calling trigonometry a service.

I really never got the whole antisemitism schtick, Jewish people seem just like everyone Else to Me, to each his/her own I suppose.

I did answer it, but I'll be even more blunt and to the point. You asked:

" the question regarding what you do with Entrepreneurs that refuse to go along with your proposed program."

They won't have a business. It will be taken by the government and sold on the market to smart capitalists who "follow the program", redefining capitalism in their hearts and minds, prioritizing their business ventures as a service to the community and country, providing goods and services to the working class, and then secondly, enriching themselves. Being rewarded for their products and services with capital, by a well-paid consumer, with the purchasing power to buy everything they need and want in the marketplace.

Capitalism isn't a service; it's just one of many economic systems;

Capitalism like socialism, comes in different forms. As I already answered you in my last post, I'm a national socialist, 3rd-Way fascist, hence "the program" I'm proposing includes capitalism defined in national socialist, fascist terms.

it just so happens to be the most successful one in the history of mankind if one uses lifting people out of poverty and broadly spreading material prosperity as a metric. Calling capitalism a service is like calling trigonometry a service.

Capitalism is indeed that when properly regulated. The most successful economies in the world are mixed economies. Some capitalism, some socialism, and if you add nationalism to that as what occurred in 1930s Germany, under the National Socialist Party, capitalism finds its highest expression, it becomes fully actualized in the service of God, family, and country.

I really never got the whole antisemitism schtick, Jewish people seem just like everyone Else to Me, to each his/her own I suppose.

Unfortunately you're misinformed.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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