What are you depending on government to do for you?

[TruthNotBS]

Why do we need government to "help the homeless and our neighbors", can't people choose to do that on their own?

Most people don't have the resources, authority, expertise, or time, to assist the homeless and drug addicts. This is an endeavor for the nation's government, working in collaboration with local communities. Getting people off the street and connected to the public services that they need. A person that is diagnosed with a substance abuse illness, will go to rehab, and then they'll be provided with housing and other services. The mentally ill and completely dysfunctional will need to be committed to a mental health ward until they improve their condition. Drug dealers and smugglers will be hung or shot. They will be arrested, tried in a court of law, and sentenced to death, for spreading poison in our communities.

 

[TruthNotBS]

If states want to have programs to help their homeless, that is perfectly constitutional and I'm all for it.

That's how all this was set up. The federal government has no role here

The federal government will have to fund it, along with public, and local resources. Federal, state, and local governments will participate in the effort to eliminate homelessness and substance abuse, street crime, and illegal immigration. etc. ICE can't deport illegals without local and state assistance.

 

[BlackSand]

TruthnotBS said,

Exactly, happy thoughts and private charity aren't enough, we need our government to step in and force these people off of the street and into the rehab programs and/or psyche wards where they belong. Even Trump agrees with me:

Or trap them and release them far away from civilization, deep the outback of Australia would be good.

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It would take too long to give you all the details ...
But that sounds a lot like my ... "90 Day - Drop Them on a Stump in the Middle of Nowhere Plan"

But that plan isn't just for homeless drug addicts ...
And could also apply to most college graduates from the last decade or so ,,,

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[sparky]

I guess it depends on just what folks think the government's job is Woodz....~S~

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What I would like our government to do is make Israel the 51st state, hire Jewish overseers for all American businesses, let them turn all the Goyim gay and place high taxes on memes.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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It would take too long to give you all the details ...
But that sounds a lot like my ... "90 Day - Drop Them on a Stump in the Middle of Nowhere Plan"

But that plan isn't just for homeless drug addicts ...
And could also apply to most college graduates from the last decade or so ,,,

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What I'm proposing is the very opposite of what you're saying. It's an actual solution. Abandoning human beings out in the desert or woods isn't a solution.

 

[Woodznutz]

Human labor creates everything. Toil, the sweat of our brows, human effort, whether physical or mental. That's what produces everything in the world. Capital or money is the product of labor.




And labor receives goods and services. The capitalists then take the profits, but those profits don't produce anything, it's the labor that generates goods and services and paying customers, a market worth investing in. Why are capitalists today talking about a UBI? Because they think that the government is going to bail them out again, with a monthly check. They think that they're going to replace human labor with robots and artificial intelligence, so in order to maintain a customer base they're pleading with the government to create a worthless consumer-serf (artificial, unproductive, paying consumer-base).

Capital never sleeps in a mattress somewhere. It is always circulating and available to labor. What labor does with it while it is in their hands determines the relationship between labor and capital. Capital isn't always owned by capitalists. Much is borrowed from working class investors and savers.

 

[BluesLegend]

Make sure my social security and medicare remain unfucked with.

Too late, government 'borrowed' and spent $2 trillion of our money. They gave us a worthless IOU in return.

 

[NetJedi]

Most people don't have the resources, authority, expertise, or time, to assist the homeless and drug addicts. This is an endeavor for the nation's government, working in collaboration with local communities. Getting people off the street and connected to the public services that they need. A person that is diagnosed with a substance abuse illness, will go to rehab, and then they'll be provided with housing and other services. The mentally ill and completely dysfunctional will need to be committed to a mental health ward until they improve their condition. Drug dealers and smugglers will be hung or shot. They will be arrested, tried in a court of law, and sentenced to death, for spreading poison in our communities.

If "most people" don't have the resources to assist the homeless and drug addicts, how is government confiscating resources from them, the bureaucracy and graft taking cut of those resources and then attempting to deal with the problem any better?

Ask yourself this question, since government largely supplanted the role of private charities in dealing with homelessness and drug addiction, has the problem gotten better or worse? I would submit that the problem has not only gotten far worse, but that government intervention and turning it into an industry has induced apathy in the citizenry at large since the general attitude has become "I don't need to worry about it, the government will take care of it".

On comparable scale, private charities are far more effective at dealing with these problems than government is, unfortunately government starves private charity of both the resources and concern necessary to scale up its efforts.

 

[BluesLegend]

STOP trading our jobs and industry to foreign countries to line your own corrupt pockets!

 

[Woodznutz]

I guess it depends on just what folks think the government's job is Woodz....~S~

Keep the trains running on time.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Capital never sleeps in a mattress somewhere. It is always circulating and available to labor. What labor does with it while it is in their hands determines the relationship between labor and capital.

Capital is human labor, which is the source of all that is produced. It can function without money, but that requires a much more evolved, high-tech humanity, which I don't believe exists today or will exist for a long time. Human Star Trek economy and society won't be around for a while. Until then we need a well-regulated capitalism, serving the country, under a national socialist government. There will be no UBI checks, no worthless consumer serfs, no robots and artificial intelligence replacing all human labor, nor will there ever be Marxist communism or techno-feudalism.

National socialism, which respects both personal and private property is the solution, one that allows for everyone to keep their jobs and businesses intact, serving the community. There's a place for the working class and a place in society for the wealthy as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

Too late, government 'borrowed' and spent $2 trillion of our money. They gave us a worthless IOU in return.

Those IOUs are earning 4 percent.

 

[BluesLegend]

Those IOUs are earning 4 percent.

LMAO how will government pay us back the money they took, hold a bake sale? The only way they have of paying us back OUR money is to jack up taxes and make us pay the money twice.

 

[Woodznutz]

Capital is human labor, which is the source of all that is produced. It can function without money, but that requires a much more evolved, high-tech humanity, which I don't believe exists today or will exist for a long time. Human Star Trek economy and society won't be around for a while. Until then we need a well-regulated capitalism, serving the country, under a national socialist government. There will be no UBI checks, no worthless consumer serfs, no robots and artificial intelligence replacing all human labor, nor will there ever be Marxist communism or techno-feudalism.

National socialism, which respects both personal and private property is the solution, one that allows for everyone to keep their jobs and businesses intact, serving the community. There's a place for the working class and a place in society for the wealthy as well.

"Well-regulated" economies have been shown to be less productive than free enterprise capitalism.

 

[tahuyaman]

What legislation do you need from government to make your life better?

Nothing. Just stop getting in the way.

 

[Woodznutz]

LMAO how will government pay us back the money they took, hold a bake sale? The only way they have of paying us back OUR money is to jack up taxes and make us pay the money twice.

True that we pay the interest, but the principle has already been taxed.

 

[TruthNotBS]

If "most people" don't have the resources to assist the homeless and drug addicts, how is government confiscating resources from them, the bureaucracy and graft taking cut of those resources and then attempting to deal with the problem any better?

Ask yourself this question, since government largely supplanted the role of private charities in dealing with homelessness and drug addiction, has the problem gotten better or worse? I would submit that the problem has not only gotten far worse, but that government intervention and turning it into an industry has induced apathy in the citizenry at large since the general attitude has become "I don't need to worry about it, the government will take care of it".

On comparable scale, private charities are far more effective at dealing with these problems than government is, unfortunately government starves private charity of both the resources and concern necessary to scale up its efforts.

The government's ability to fund itself is based on production or GDP. The US government has more than enough resources to eliminate homelessness and develop our national infrastructure. As long as the money is invested in infrastructure that increases production, we'll have more than enough resources to solve the homeless and substance abuse problem. We will also be able to deport all of the illegals. This will require a mass government effort in collaboration with local communities. Businesses that hire illegals will be confiscated and sold on the market to others who are willing to hire Americans or legal residents. Capitalists who hire illegals will go to prison.

 

[NetJedi]

LMAO how will government pay us back the money they took, hold a bake sale? The only way they have of paying us back OUR money is to jack up taxes and make us pay the money twice.

Not really, they can pay us back by having the Federal Reserve create more dollars in exchange of IOUs thus devaluing every dollar you already have plus the ones they're paying you back with, which is exactly what they're doing now.

They can keep creating dollars until they get to the point where the dollar reaches its intrinsic value (which is zero), this is the fate of all fiat currencies.

 

[BluesLegend]

Not really, they can pay us back by having the Federal Reserve create more dollars in exchange of IOUs thus devaluing every dollar you already have plus the ones they're paying you back with, which is exactly what they're doing now.

They can keep creating dollars until they get to the point where the dollar reaches its intrinsic value (which is zero), this is the fate of all fiat currencies.

Those idiots in Washington won't stop until the country financially collapses. $35 trillion in debt, hey lets borrow and waste another $100 trillion FESTIVAL FESTIVAL (politicians run through the streets screaming while ripping off their clothes)