What are you depending on government to do for you?

[Toddsterpatriot]

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We could go nuclear right now and we would have 1000x more energy, to power electric vehicles and infrastructure. We need to do this ASAP, evolving from old 20th-century, filthy fossil-fuel tech, to clean, abundant, safe nuclear. Solar panels, wind-mills are not the solution, nuclear fission is and later on, in a few decades, fusion.

As long as we don't use commie designs, nuclear will be fine.

 

[TruthNotBS]

As long as we don't use commie designs, nuclear will be fine.

Oh, there we go with Todd's cheap, irrelevant, irrational rhetoric.

 

[OKTexas]

What legislation do you need from government to make your life better?

Do away with a butt load of govt agencies, fees, taxes, programs and regulations. Then we can decide where to go from there.

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[scruffy]

Global warming doesn't exist

You are here ================== ^^^

 

[TruthNotBS]

Do away with a butt load of govt agencies, fees, taxes, programs and regulations. Then we can decide where to go from there.

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Including Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the VA, GI BILL, Unemployment Insurance, utilities..etc. BUST ALL THE LABOR UNIONS! Just cut it all, and hand it to the billionaires, they'll do a better job serving the public good, when everything is primarily for private profits. Heck, we should even get rid of government fire departments, make them private, and if you don't pay for fire insurance, too bad for you, your house burns down, and perhaps the whole neighborhood too. Yeah! Laissez-faire capitalism, everything amounts to profits for the rich, yeah! MIGA- MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN!

Adam Smith the father of capitalism, called capitalists "masters":

"What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (To form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor.

It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine (In the form of chambers of commerce, industry-specific associations, and guilds, super-PACs, non-profit front organizations/NGOs, armies of lobbyists bribing politicians in the halls of government, think tanks staffed by Ivy league analysts and scholars who write the papers and legislation that they hand to the lobbyists, to give to their cronies in the US Congress) much more easily; and the law, besides, authorises, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen.

We have no acts of parliament against combining to lower the price of work; but many against combining to raise it. In all such disputes the masters can hold out much longer. A landlord, a farmer, a master manufacturer, or merchant, though they did not employ a single workman, could generally live a year or two upon the stocks which they have already acquired. Many workmen could not subsist a week, few could subsist a month, and scarce any a year without employment. In the long-run the workman may be as necessary to his master as his master is to him, but the necessity is not so immediate.

We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and every where in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labour above their actual rate. To violate this combination is every where a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbours and equals." (Wealth Of Nations - Book I, Chapter VIII)

Yeah! Give everything to the masters, they'll take care of it!

YEAH!

 

[OKTexas]

Including Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the VA, GI BILL, Unemployment Insurance, utilities..etc. BUST ALL THE LABOR UNIONS! Just cut it all, and hand it to the billionaires, they'll do a better job serving the public good, when everything is primarily for private profits. Heck, we should even get rid of government fire departments, make them private, and if you don't pay for fire insurance, too bad for you, your house burns down, and perhaps the whole neighborhood too. Yeah! Laissez-faire capitalism, everything amounts to profits for the rich, yeah! MIGA- MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN!

Adam Smith the father of capitalism, called capitalists "masters":

"What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (To form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor.

It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine (In the form of chambers of commerce, industry-specific associations, and guilds, super-PACs, non-profit front organizations/NGOs, armies of lobbyists bribing politicians in the halls of government, think tanks staffed by Ivy league analysts and scholars who write the papers and legislation that they hand to the lobbyists, to give to their cronies in the US Congress) much more easily; and the law, besides, authorises, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen.

We have no acts of parliament against combining to lower the price of work; but many against combining to raise it. In all such disputes the masters can hold out much longer. A landlord, a farmer, a master manufacturer, or merchant, though they did not employ a single workman, could generally live a year or two upon the stocks which they have already acquired. Many workmen could not subsist a week, few could subsist a month, and scarce any a year without employment. In the long-run the workman may be as necessary to his master as his master is to him, but the necessity is not so immediate.

We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and every where in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labour above their actual rate. To violate this combination is every where a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbours and equals." (Wealth Of Nations - Book I, Chapter VIII)

Yeah! Give everything to the masters, they'll take care of it!

YEAH!

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You get your utilities from the feds? I kind of doubt that.

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[TruthNotBS]

You get your utilities from the feds? I kind of doubt that.

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You're just against fed programs, not state and local? Government, fed, state, and local, have their place, and some programs are good for society. Including when municipalities own and run utilities. It's often cheaper and they provide better service. Putting EVERYTHING, in the hands of profit-pursuing, mammon-worshipping billionaires isn't a good idea. It's not good for the country.

 

[OKTexas]

You're just against fed programs, not state and local? Government, fed, state, and local, have their place, and some programs are good for society. Including when municipalities own and run utilities. It's often cheaper and they provide better service. Putting EVERYTHING, in the hands of profit-pursuing, mammon-worshipping billionaires isn't a good idea. It's not good for the country.

The power of the feds is supposed to be limited. State, county and local governments are supposed to care for people. I don't get any of my utilities from fed, State, county or local governments. That's just the way I like it.

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[TruthNotBS]

The power of the feds is supposed to be limited. State, county and local governments are supposed to care for people. I don't get any of my utilities from fed, State, county or local governments. That's just the way I like it.

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I prefer to be off-grid if I have the means to do it. At least you recognize that state and local government has a place in society, including taking care of people under certain circumstances.

 

[OKTexas]

I prefer to be off-grid if I have the means to do it. At least you recognize that state and local government has a place in society, including taking care of people under certain circumstances.

I just go by what the founders said.

James Madison, Federalist, no. 45, 313--14

26 Jan. 1788

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negociation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will for the most part be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties and properties of the people; and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

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[eagle1462010]

Stop destroying our currency, mind your own damn business, and stop stealing my money with taxes that you Launder to steal.

 

[the watcher]

Depending on the government ( all 3 branches) to thrive is not quite the same as expecting what the government should do, at all. If we are to discuss this we need to discuss what is the proper role of government, especially the Federal government. The role of the feds should be to interpret and enforce the Constitution, period. It should resolve differences between the States, provide for a common defense, and negotiate the nation's treaties and disputes with other sovereign nations. It should declare war with the consent of the people, and be in responsible and accountable control of the money supply and regulate within reason interstate and international trade. Above everything else it should be transparent and honest with the people through it's representatives. If you are depending on government for life support you are very likely disappointed right about now.

 

[BlackSand]

You're creating strawmen arguments because I never proposed that workers nullify all of their personal aspirations and ambitions, or work for the state. You should improve your reading comprehension skills. As I pointed out, the most successful form of capitalism, is one within a mixed economy, not laissez-faire. Capitalism must serve the nation's interests and public good, if you have a problem with that, too bad. Boohoo.

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If Labor was actually the keystone of production and commerce ...
Then you wouldn't have to convince people it is ...

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[JWBooth]

What are you depending on government to do for you?​

"I want the government to do three things. I want them to defend the borders, I want them to deliver the mail, and I want them to get the hell out of the way." Eddie Chiles

 

[Woodznutz]

National socialism makes capitalism functional and doable. Otherwise, it turns everything to shit.

Isn't that what happened to Germany?

 

[Woodznutz]

Crap policy. Crap government, in the pocket of capitalists, serving capital to the detriment of the people. We could do much more with less, if the money was actually used properly. I served in the US Army as a Unit Supply Specialist. My MOS was 76 Yankee. I used to do inventory of the supply room and I would get a list of all of the money that was spent on our supplies by the federal government. The DOD back in 1991, when I was in, was spending $80 for a simple screwdriver manufactured in China, that you and I can buy at Home Depot for $10. This thirty years ago, can you imagine what the DOD is paying today for that screwdriver? It's NUTS. No wonder the feds are spending nearly a trillion on defense.

National socialism would eliminate all of that unnecessary expenditure, bringing prices down for the government and forcing capitalists to serve the country. Capitalism only works when it prioritizes serving the community. It's a service to the country, and every business owner is a vital component in our nation's success. Capitalists are the main job creators, the ones who generate jobs, allowing people to work and earn a living. Capitalists must be patriots, serving the people, it's not just a means to make a profit and get rich. No one should get wealthy at the expense of the country or the working class. The working class and the wealthy employer class, must work together, and look out for each other's interests.

The working class is their own worst enemy, refusing to do traditional work. That's why immigrants come here, to do the work that citizens are "too grand" to do. This is a flaw in the national character. Sadly, the government accommodates this laziness by offering these indolent's a way out by providing loans for college, which has been yet another national disaster.

 

[Woodznutz]

The DOD back in 1991, when I was in, was spending $80 for a simple screwdriver manufactured in China, that you and I can buy at Home Depot for $10. This thirty years ago, can you imagine what the DOD is paying today for that screwdriver?

When I was in the Army, we had to fill out a requisition form for needed tools. This could take two months or more before we got the tools. So we just went downtown to a hardware store and bought them. For inspections we would borrow 'military issue' tools from other motor pools then return them after the inspection. Or we would move tools from one layout that had been inspected to another down the line that was missing tools.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well first of all, as an American citizen we have obligations and responsibilities to our country and communities. So let's begin there, it's not about waiting to be convinced by the government to serve. If you're a properly raised and educated human being and American, you already know you have certain obligations and responsibilities towards your fellow-man, especially your fellow Americans. The economy is a vital element of our national infrastructure, without it we don't have a nation, and capitalists are the primary job creators in a market economy, not the government (as in Marxism).

There are incentives for capitalists in a National Socialist-run US government and country. Your business is considered a service to the country and community, providing goods and services, jobs..etc. So tax incentives, grants, contracts. Take care of your workers, make sure they're well paid and working in a safe environment, and the government will reward you. The community that your business serves will also reward you with a customer base able to afford your goods and services. The working class will have affordable housing, education, healthcare..etc. They'll live in a country with a robust, modern infrastructure, able to provide them with services, like public transit, utilities..etc.

The private sector will work in tandem with the public sector, serving the nation (the volk, the people). That is a healthy capitalism, that enriches everyone, not just the capitalist class. Working class people will also benefit from that form of capitalism. The government can also assist workers who want to organize worker-owned companies, running them as cooperatives, increasing democracy in the workplace. That's also doable in a national socialist-run economy. Laws can be passed that ensure workers own a certain % of privately owned companies. Especially large corporations, perhaps not so much smaller, mom-pop Pizzerias, but the big companies. Workers will have a seat in the boardroom.

Essentially, capitalism must be patriotic, prioritizing the needs of the people, or public good, rather than private profits.

That's great for a country the size of one of our states. America is way too big and diverse for national socialism to work.

 

[sartre play]

We gave up running our country, When deciding too turn over our voice & our vote to Party Politics.
Maters not what party you chose.

 

[Robert W]

What "climate scam"?

Climate is not a danger to humans. Were it, if an eskimo was put at the Sahara desert, he would die very fast. Yet there are many humans at the Sahara Desert.