What are Putin's Options for Revenge that he has promised?

[alang1216]

Ok. Do you insist, that you can study Russian?

Who would stop me?

If so, all your talks about freedom of speech in Russia and America are useless.

No, Freedom of speech is one form of freedom if you lose that you gain the peace of mind that no one will attack you for what you say or take your job away.

No. Those were rather moltings - painful, costly, but necessary renovation processes. I thought about something like collapse of Hittite Empire. You know - in short time all cities burned down, people killed, knowledge, language and culture lost, and the elusive number of survivors finished or assimilated soon after this.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger? I hope you and your family doesn't have to endure the next molting.

Of course no. We went west and started defend ourselves because NATO came in Russia (and Ukraine is a part of Russia) and started to kill Russians.

NATO never came into Russia. BTW, one 'reason' for the invasion of Ukraine was to protect ethnic Russians in the Donbas. If there are ethnic Russian there must be ethnic Ukrainians so that whole 'part of Russia' is BS.

Ok. Let's ask Grok to explain. Funny thing.
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The joke "I have an RNA joke but it might get lost in translation" is a play on words involving molecular biology and language.
In biology, RNA (ribonucleic acid) is critical for protein synthesis through a process called translation, where messenger RNA (mRNA) is read by ribosomes to produce proteins based on the genetic code from DNA. The term "translation" here refers to this biochemical process.
The joke’s punchline hinges on the double meaning of "translation." In everyday language, "lost in translation" means something was misunderstood or its meaning was lost when converting from one language to another. The humor comes from punning on "translation": the RNA joke was supposedly "lost" during the biological translation process (mRNA to protein), mimicking the idea of a linguistic miscommunication.
So, the joke cleverly combines the scientific term with the common phrase to suggest that the RNA-related humor didn’t make it through the "translation" process, either biologically or linguistically.
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[Zavulon]

Who would stop me?

Your own (carefully planted by the government) laziness and intellectual weakness.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger?

Not necessarily. But both Revolution and dismount of Soviet Union (say nothing about Time of Troubles) actually made us stronger.

I hope you and your family doesn't have to endure the next molting.

It depends.

NATO never came into Russia.

Ukraine is a part of Russia. And NATO came there.

BTW, one 'reason' for the invasion of Ukraine was to protect ethnic Russians in the Donbas. If there are ethnic Russian there must be ethnic Ukrainians so that whole 'part of Russia' is BS.

First of all, even in Russia there are a lot of ethnic non-Russians. Second - "ethnic Ukrainians" are, in fact, Russians who tell that they are not Russians. You know, like men, who tell that they are women. Trans-Europeans, or, if you wish - Taraso-Europeans (from the popular Ukrainian name Taras). Some of them (but it is minority) even believe in this BS. Other just pretend to get some money or don't get arrested or killed.

 

[alang1216]

Your own (carefully planted by the government) laziness and intellectual weakness.

You wish.

Not necessarily. But both Revolution and dismount of Soviet Union (say nothing about Time of Troubles) actually made us stronger.

You don't seem very strong to me.

Ukraine is a part of Russia. And NATO came there.

Not true. Either sentence.

First of all, even in Russia there are a lot of ethnic non-Russians. Second - "ethnic Ukrainians" are, in fact, Russians who tell that they are not Russians. You know, like men, who tell that they are women. Trans-Europeans, or, if you wish - Taraso-Europeans (from the popular Ukrainian name Taras). Some of them (but it is minority) even believe in this BS. Other just pretend to get some money or don't get arrested or killed.

I guess you're a loyal Russian and have to justify the evil being unleashed on Ukraine. Who cares how many die and how much infrastructure is destroyed.

 

[Zavulon]

You wish.

Ok. What foreign language do you actually know?

You don't seem very strong to me.

Your problem. As I said, the graveyards of history are full of the fools, who didn't see who actually strong Russia is.

Not true. Either sentence.

Really? Prove it. You know nothing about the matter.

I guess you're a loyal Russian and have to justify the evil being unleashed on Ukraine.

No. In fact, we are fighting against the evil unleashed on Ukraine (and many other countries). The only difference is that we see NATO as evil, and ourselves as good.

Who cares how many die and how much infrastructure is destroyed.

Don't be such a princess. Comparing with what we could, and probably should do, all what is happening now in Ukraine is just an innocent pajama party with pillow fight. We are just warming up.

 

[alang1216]

Ok. What foreign language do you actually know?

Every one I ever cared to put any effort into learning. None.

Your problem. As I said, the graveyards of history are full of the fools, who didn't see who actually strong Russia is.

Being big and willing to take casualties and damage is not the same as being strong. A strong Russia would have stopped Napoleon and Hitler at the border, not at Moscow.

Really? Prove it. You know nothing about the matter.

As I recall, Russia signed a treaty recognizing Ukraine's independence and no NATO troops ever fought in Ukraine.

No. In fact, we are fighting against the evil unleashed on Ukraine (and many other countries). The only difference is that we see NATO as evil, and ourselves as good.

I'm sure that is a comfort to the people whose homes have been destroyed by Russian artillery, rockets, and bombs.

Don't be such a princess. Comparing with what we could, and probably should do, all what is happening now in Ukraine is just an innocent pajama party with pillow fight. We are just warming up.

There was a quotation by the US Army in Vietnam, "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it".

 

[Zavulon]

Every one I ever cared to put any effort into learning. None.

Exactly what I mean.

Being big and willing to take casualties and damage is not the same as being strong. A strong Russia would have stopped Napoleon and Hitler at the border, not at Moscow.

Of course no. France was that kind strong. France build a pretty nice Maginot line to stop Germans at the border. May be, you know what had happened later. True strength is not in the concrete barns on the border. True strength is exactly in the deturmines and readiness to pay any price necessary. If necessary, Russia can sacrifice 50 mln of Russians, but take Ukraine back. You can't sacrifice (or even really endanger) even one million of Americans to capture Ukraine. That is exactly why we are stronger.

As I recall, Russia signed a treaty recognizing Ukraine's independence

Yep. And then we recognised independence of Crimea, DPR and LPR. Which is also our sovereign right. If necessary we can cancel our recognition of Ukrainian independence at all.

and no NATO troops ever fought in Ukraine.

You pay Ukrainians - they are your proxy, you are responsible for what they are doing. And you'll pay for it, too.

I'm sure that is a comfort to the people whose homes have been destroyed by Russian artillery, rockets, and bombs.

Yep. There are a lot of people who refused to be evacuated in Ukraine and prefer to hid in their basements under both Russian and NATO bombs and artillery, because it is a) safer b) right thing to do, for they are Russians and Russia is their true motherland.

There was a quotation by the US Army in Vietnam, "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it".

It is necessary to destroy thousands of towns, but to save the civilisation.

 

[alang1216]

Of course no. France was that kind strong. France build a pretty nice Maginot line to stop Germans at the border. May be, you know what had happened later. True strength is not in the concrete barns on the border. True strength is exactly in the deturmines and readiness to pay any price necessary. If necessary, Russia can sacrifice 50 mln of Russians, but take Ukraine back. You can't sacrifice (or even really endanger) even one million of Americans to capture Ukraine. That is exactly why we are stronger.

I wonder how those 50 million feel about it? You seem ready to sacrifice you and your family for an ideal, and you say Americans are brainwashed.

Yep. And then we recognised independence of Crimea, DPR and LPR. Which is also our sovereign right. If necessary we can cancel our recognition of Ukrainian independence at all.

So the Russian word means nothing. Got it.

You pay Ukrainians - they are your proxy, you are responsible for what they are doing. And you'll pay for it, too.

They don't fight for NATO, they fight for Ukraine.

Yep. There are a lot of people who refused to be evacuated in Ukraine and prefer to hid in their basements under both Russian and NATO bombs and artillery, because it is a) safer b) right thing to do, for they are Russians and Russia is their true motherland.

Are all Russians as crazy as you are?

It is necessary to destroy thousands of towns, but to save the civilisation.

That is not civilization, that is empire.

 

[Zavulon]

I wonder how those 50 million feel about it? You seem ready to sacrifice you and your family for an ideal, and you say Americans are brainwashed.

No. I say that 70% chances of survival are much better than nothing. When they already started to kill your people you don't have much a choice. Either you fight and then you have good chances of survival, either you don't fight back and then they just kill you all.

So the Russian word means nothing. Got it.

Of course the Russian word means a lot. Just our recognition of independence was given to another Ukraine. Neutral and with almost equal rights for local Russians.

They don't fight for NATO, they fight for Ukraine.

You pay them - they work for you and do what you said them. That's your responsibility. They don't fight for Ukraine - they are destroying it. Open borders. Defund Kievan regime. And wathc how many Ukrainians actually want to fight against Russia and how many prefer to live in it

Are all Russians as crazy as you are?

No. Most are much "crazier". I'd say, I'm in 5% of the most liberal thinking, pragmatic and pro-American Russians. Other wouldn't even speak with a "tuporyliy Pindos".

That is not civilization, that is empire.

Actually, most of Russians see themselves not only as "The Civilisation", but even the last "true human beings". "The last stronghold of Humanity", if you wish.
Did you watch Blackout (2020) movie?

 

[alang1216]

No. I say that 70% chances of survival are much better than nothing. When they already started to kill your people you don't have much a choice. Either you fight and then you have good chances of survival, either you don't fight back and then they just kill you all.

How many Russians, living in Russia, have been killed? I'm guessing it is much less than 50 million.

Of course the Russian word means a lot. Just our recognition of independence was given to another Ukraine. Neutral and with almost equal rights for local Russians.

Just so you know, the view from the West is that Russia supported and controlled the Russian separatists in Ukraine and actively created this narrative so they could gobble up pieces of Ukraine.

Based on available information, Russian separatist forces in Ukraine have been linked to the shooting down of at least two aircraft during the conflict:

• Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17): This civilian airliner was shot down in July 2014, killing all 298 people on board. The Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT) determined that the plane was downed by a Russian-made Buk missile launched from an area in eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian separatist forces. The JIT also found that the Buk missile system belonged to a Russian military brigade. A Dutch court later convicted two Russians and a Ukrainian separatist in absentia for murder in relation to the downing of MH17.
• Ukrainian Air Force Ilyushin Il-76: In June 2014, forces of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), a Russia-backed separatist group, shot down a Ukrainian Air Force transport aircraft, killing all 49 people on board.

It's important to note that Russia has consistently denied any involvement in the downing of MH17, despite evidence suggesting otherwise.
The United Nations aviation agency (ICAO) has ruled that Russia was responsible for the downing of MH17, citing a breach of international air law. The Dutch and Australian governments have formally held Russia accountable.

You pay them - they work for you and do what you said them. That's your responsibility. They don't fight for Ukraine - they are destroying it. Open borders. Defund Kievan regime. And wathc how many Ukrainians actually want to fight against Russia and how many prefer to live in it

I think the same could be said of the Russian separatists in Ukraine.

Actually, most of Russians see themselves not only as "The Civilisation", but even the last "true human beings". "The last stronghold of Humanity", if you wish.

I guess if that is how you see yourselves, you can justify doing anything. Scary.

Did you watch Blackout (2020) movie?

No. Never even heard of it.

 

[Zavulon]

How many Russians, living in Russia, have been killed? I'm guessing it is much less than 50 million.

Wrong question. The right question is - how many Russians will be killed if we won't help each other and we'll allow western barbarians do whatever they want? The answer is simple - 100% of us. NATO sponsor mass murders of Russians in Ukraine not because they specifically hate "Russians, living in Ukraine" and not even because they want to take natural resources from Ukrainian territory. They do it because they want to kill all Russians.

Plus, of course, pure military aspect. If America has IRBMs (or large military contingents) in Ukraine, or Russia/China has IRBMs in California - they have pretty good The Credible First Strike Capability and can either use it to kill millions of Russians/Americans without suffering unacceptable damage from their retaliation.

Just so you know, the view from the West is that Russia supported and controlled the Russian separatists in Ukraine and actively created this narrative so they could gobble up pieces of Ukraine.

Yep. Thats true. Russian people support each other.

Based on available information, Russian separatist forces in Ukraine have been linked to the shooting down of at least two aircraft during the conflict:

• Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17): This civilian airliner was shot down in July 2014, killing all 298 people on board. The Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT) determined that the plane was downed by a Russian-made Buk missile launched from an area in eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian separatist forces. The JIT also found that the Buk missile system belonged to a Russian military brigade. A Dutch court later convicted two Russians and a Ukrainian separatist in absentia for murder in relation to the downing of MH17.
• Ukrainian Air Force Ilyushin Il-76: In June 2014, forces of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), a Russia-backed separatist group, shot down a Ukrainian Air Force transport aircraft, killing all 49 people on board.

It's important to note that Russia has consistently denied any involvement in the downing of MH17, despite evidence suggesting otherwise.
The United Nations aviation agency (ICAO) has ruled that Russia was responsible for the downing of MH17, citing a breach of international air law. The Dutch and Australian governments have formally held Russia accountable.

MH17 is plain and obvious lie, and Il-76 was a legal military target.

I think the same could be said of the Russian separatists in Ukraine.

Not actually. First - before the war, Donbass as important energetic and industrial center of Russia have been giving to Ukraine more than 20% of their foreign trade incomes. Donbass Oligarch, Renat Leonidovich Akhmetov was the richest man in Ukraine. And they, especially at the early stages of the conflict, were paying for their launches themselves. Second - we Russians defend ourselves by helping other Russians because we love ourselves. NATO doesn't fund Ukraine for loving Ukrainains or being the one people with them. They support Ukrainian nationalists because they hate Russians.

I guess if that is how you see yourselves, you can justify doing anything. Scary.

As if American exeptionalisms isn't a scary thing. As for me - I'd rather consider myself as broad minded and even, in some way, pro-American. At least I try to discuss as if we all are equals.

No. Never even heard of it.

You can find it in Internet. If you want to understand Russians - you'd better to watch some of their movies and read their books. May be, you'd better to start not with Sci Fy, but with fairy tales, like "Finist. The First Warrior".

 

[alang1216]

Wrong question. The right question is - how many Russians will be killed if we won't help each other and we'll allow western barbarians do whatever they want? The answer is simple - 100% of us. NATO sponsor mass murders of Russians in Ukraine not because they specifically hate "Russians, living in Ukraine" and not even because they want to take natural resources from Ukrainian territory. They do it because they want to kill all Russians.

Impressive level of paranoia! Why does anyone want to kill all Russians? There is no record of 'mass murders' of Russians in Ukraine. Can you offer a scenario where 100% of Russians would be killed by Western 'barbarians'?

Yep. Thats true. Russian people support each other.

Or exploit each other.

MH17 is plain and obvious lie

Not the view from outside Russia.

Not actually. First - before the war, Donbass as important energetic and industrial center of Russia have been giving to Ukraine more than 20% of their foreign trade incomes. Donbass Oligarch, Renat Leonidovich Akhmetov was the richest man in Ukraine. And they, especially at the early stages of the conflict, were paying for their launches themselves. Second - we Russians defend ourselves by helping other Russians because we love ourselves. NATO doesn't fund Ukraine for loving Ukrainains or being the one people with them. They support Ukrainian nationalists because they hate Russians.

There is an American football saying, "the best defense is a good offense" and Russians and their paranoia seem to embody it.

As if American exeptionalisms isn't a scary thing. As for me - I'd rather consider myself as broad minded and even, in some way, pro-American. At least I try to discuss as if we all are equals.

On this we agree. We have our own paranoia and arrogance that has gotten us into trouble.

You can find it in Internet. If you want to understand Russians - you'd better to watch some of their movies and read their books. May be, you'd better to start not with Sci Fy, but with fairy tales, like "Finist. The First Warrior".

We have our fantasies too, we call them Westerns. Sheriff comes into town to help the weak towns people expel the outlaws. Sound familiar?